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Patman 04-12-07 11:24 PM

Mookie is the bigger one because he should know that Dreamz is a knucklehead, but he still does dumber things than Dreamz could ever imagine.

maingon 04-12-07 11:48 PM

I wanted Stacy to be kicked off

JIF 04-13-07 12:33 AM

The irony is that Stacey still doesn't respect Dreamz, despite him saving her tonight.

Dumb move on Dreamz's part. Why couldn't he have continued his brief streak of intelligence instead of abandoning it?

Interesting to see that he couldn't spell Michelle either (he wrote is as "Mechelle").

Mookie has no choice but to move to Earl's camp; which won't be so bad considering that they'll have 2 idols.

BDB 04-13-07 01:26 AM

wtf is wrong with Dreamz!!!

Michelle took it very well, that screws up Earl, but like JIF says Earl has to move to bring mookie onto his team now.

creekdipper 04-13-07 05:03 AM

I agree with Leeta that the 2nd "twist" was really stupid. What's the point of merging & then re-forming teams? I agree that the strategizing & scheming is the "meat" of the game & that this type of gimmick messes with the whole premise of the show.

To me, this was another instance of this season's leanings toward "unfairness" (following the initial separation of one tribe living in comfort while the other lived in relative squalor). I may have forgotten other instances from past seasons, but the only other "unfair" twist was the season in which some of the rejects were allowed to come back in mid-season for a 2nd chance. Of course, there was the purple rock thing already mentioned & a challenge in which the "winner" was incorrectly certified by Jeff, but those affected individuals rather than being a deliberate "twist" planned by the producers.

I mean, what's next...the announcement after a challenge is completed that the losers actually win immunity? To me, that makes about as much sense as what was done last night. Seems like the producers are grasping at straws to come up with anything as long as it's "different".

And I will miss Michelle. What a cutie!

shanester 04-13-07 05:48 AM

What else would you expect from a "cheerleading coach" -screwy-

Sad to see Michelle go she was cute and smart

cdollaz 04-13-07 07:06 AM

Unfair? This is Survivor and any player that doesn't maneuver assuming a surprise, since they have multiple surprises every season, is stupid.

lucasorion 04-13-07 07:33 AM

Didn't Jeff really contribute to Michelle being voted out instead of Stacy, by "leading the witness" with his questioning of Alex and then elaborating on its significance with Dreamz?

BDLOU 04-13-07 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by lucasorion
Didn't Jeff really contribute to Michelle being voted out instead of Stacy, by "leading the witness" with his questioning of Alex and then elaborating on its significance with Dreamz?

Amen. Once again Jeff affects the game more than he should. I don't blame Dreamz for voting the way he did though. He wants to stay close to the four horsemen and Alex basically told him who he was voting for. Why does it matter to Dreamz whether Michelle or Stacy goes. Why not appear to stay loyal with the four horseman and vote along with them? His vote for Stacy was going to just be out of hatred. I commend him for thinking past that and voting the way he thought would keep him in the game longer.

Struz 04-13-07 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by BDLOU
Amen. Once again Jeff affects the game more than he should. I don't blame Dreamz for voting the way he did though. He wants to stay close to the four horsemen and Alex basically told him who he was voting for. Why does it matter to Dreamz whether Michelle or Stacy goes. Why not appear to stay loyal with the four horseman and vote along with them? His vote for Stacy was going to just be out of hatred. I commend him for thinking past that and voting the way he thought would keep him in the game longer.

Dreamz vote was stupid becasue Mookie told him that Alex wants to keep Stacy around and not vote her off after Boo. Mookie and Dreamz both knew that Alex, Edgaurdo and Stacy would then stick together and vote off Mookie and Dreamz.

Bad move by Dreamz.

taa455 04-13-07 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by creekdipper
And I will miss Michelle. What a cutie!

...which is probably why you hated the twist so much, right? Not busting your chops or anything. I'm just saying...

I love it any time a wrench is thrown into people's plans. I liked Michelle very much but her exit actually makes the game more interesting (IMO) because it evens the numbers even more between Alex's group and Earl's group. Dreamz made the right vote. He has to appear loyal to Alex right now. It's a shame he is not intelligent/well-spoken enough to defend himself in that regard.

Re: preview for next episode:
Spoiler:
I was cracking up when it showed Dreamz reporting to Cassandra, et al, about Mookie's HII.


Mookie is really not playing smart at all. He could be playing both sides beautifully (ala Rob C. from Amazon) if he knew what he was doing. Instead he decides to
Spoiler:
chastise Dreamz for his vote and treat him like a fool.


Yao Man kicked hiney once again in the challenge. I'm loving that guy more every episode. :up:

taa455 04-13-07 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Struz
Dreamz vote was stupid becasue Mookie told him that Alex wants to keep Stacy around and not vote her off after Boo. Mookie and Dreamz both knew that Alex, Edgaurdo and Stacy would then stick together and vote off Mookie and Dreamz.

Bad move by Dreamz.

Stacy is jury fodder. She is not a threat at all. Dreamz voted Michelle to prove loyalty which was much more important than getting rid of a weak player.

Plus at this stage you have to keep the player who is more likely to vote with your alliance, which was Stacy. Dreamz and Alex didn't even know Michelle.

cdollaz 04-13-07 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by taa455
I liked Michelle very much but her exit actually makes the game more interesting (IMO) because it evens the numbers even more between Alex's group and Earl's group. Dreamz made the right vote.

How does it even the numbers?

Earl's group had 4 people in it, now 3 (Earl, Cassandra, Yao Ming).
Alex has 4 (Alex, Ed, Dreamz, Mookie) and possibly 5 if you consider Stacy.
Boo is all alone.

So actually it made them less even as Earl's group now only has 3 and Alex has 4 or 5.

Struz 04-13-07 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by taa455
Stacy is jury fodder. She is not a threat at all.

Stacy is a threat to Mookie and Dreamz. They know she is tight with Alex and Edgaurdo. If it comes down to Alex, Edgaurdo, Stacy, Mookie and Dreamz, do you really think Alex and Edgardo will vote off Stacy before Mookie and Dreamz ? Mookie and Dreamz are physical threats, Stacy is not.

taa455 04-13-07 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Struz
Stacy is a threat to Mookie and Dreamz. They know she is tight with Alex and Edgaurdo. If it comes down to Alex, Edgaurdo, Stacy, Mookie and Dreamz, do you really think Alex and Edgardo will vote off Stacy before Mookie and Dreamz ? Mookie and Dreamz are physical threats, Stacy is not.

You can't be worrying about that this early in the game. So much can change that could make that strategy moot.

taa455 04-13-07 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by cdollaz
How does it even the numbers?

Earl's group had 4 people in it, now 3 (Earl, Cassandra, Yao Ming).
Alex has 4 (Alex, Ed, Dreamz, Mookie) and possibly 5 if you consider Stacy.
Boo is all alone.

So actually it made them less even as Earl's group now only has 3 and Alex has 4 or 5.

I believe Dreamz will eventually flip to Earl and Cassandra. Boo and Stacy are free agents (IMO) and Mookie could flip as well. Alex's group is shaky at best with the exception of Edgardo.

cdollaz 04-13-07 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by taa455
I believe Dreamz will eventually flip to Earl and Cassandra. Boo and Stacy are free agents (IMO) and Mookie could flip as well. Alex's group is shaky at best with the exception of Edgardo.

There is nothing to indicate right now that Dreamz will flip. So given the info we currently have, it is 4 (or 5) to 3 in favor of Alex's group.

taa455 04-13-07 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by cdollaz
There is nothing to indicate right now that Dreamz will flip. So given the info we currently have, it is 4 (or 5) to 3 in favor of Alex's group.

Except for the fact that he said it himself before the tribe mixup. And he admits to feeling on the outskirts with Alex. And he has a strong bond with Cassandra. Dreamz is prime flipper material.

BDLOU 04-13-07 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Struz
Stacy is a threat to Mookie and Dreamz. They know she is tight with Alex and Edgaurdo. If it comes down to Alex, Edgaurdo, Stacy, Mookie and Dreamz, do you really think Alex and Edgardo will vote off Stacy before Mookie and Dreamz ? Mookie and Dreamz are physical threats, Stacy is not.

All that doesn't matter if Dreamz votes opposite of Alex. If they boot Stacy then they are completely out of that group. They could then attempt to jump over to Earls side but they'd be at the bottom of that group. I say it was a smart move for now. There's a reason they wanted Boo gone first and that is because it wouldn't disrupt the four horsemen thing. This season is really shaping up nicely with multiple people in alliances with two groups.

cdollaz 04-13-07 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by taa455
Except for the fact that he said it himself before the tribe mixup. And he admits to feeling on the outskirts with Alex. And he has a strong bond with Cassandra. Dreamz is prime flipper material.

I'm not sure Dreamz is a strong candidate for flipping. He seems easily led and I think his bond with Cassandra may not be as strong as it seems. Cassandra is much closer to Earl at this point and I wouldn't want Dreamz in my group if I could help it as he doesn't seem to know how to shut up.

Regardless, as it stands RIGHT NOW, Alex' group has the most people in it.

I haven't really figured out why everyone wants Boo gone. If he truly has no group alliance, I would much rather have him around right now and would rather pick off the other established alliances players. Boo, being a one man group, can easily be picked off down the road. Plus, if I was one of the established alliances, especially Earls, I would try to get Boo in my group for the time being. He would likely jump at the chance in order to prolong his stay on the island and although he seems a bit of a goober, isn't really annoying that we can tell so he wouldn't be a pain in the ass to keep around for a while.

BDLOU 04-13-07 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by cdollaz
I'm not sure Dreamz is a strong candidate for flipping. He seems easily led and I think his bond with Cassandra may not be as strong as it seems. Cassandra is much closer to Earl at this point and I wouldn't want Dreamz in my group if I could help it as he doesn't seem to know how to shut up.

Regardless, as it stands RIGHT NOW, Alex' group has the most people in it.

I haven't really figured out why everyone wants Boo gone. If he truly has no group alliance, I would much rather have him around right now and would rather pick off the other established alliances players. Boo, being a one man group, can easily be picked off down the road. Plus, if I was one of the established alliances, especially Earls, I would try to get Boo in my group for the time being. He would likely jump at the chance in order to prolong his stay on the island and although he seems a bit of a goober, isn't really annoying that we can tell so he wouldn't be a pain in the ass to keep around for a while.

They want to vote for Boo because he is not in any alliance and most people are in several. It's the easiest thing to do because it doesn't reveal anyones alliances. They don't necessarily want him gone. It's just the safest vote.

taa455 04-13-07 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by cdollaz
I'm not sure Dreamz is a strong candidate for flipping. He seems easily led and I think his bond with Cassandra may not be as strong as it seems. Cassandra is much closer to Earl at this point and I wouldn't want Dreamz in my group if I could help it as he doesn't seem to know how to shut up.

Regardless, as it stands RIGHT NOW, Alex' group has the most people in it.

I haven't really figured out why everyone wants Boo gone. If he truly has no group alliance, I would much rather have him around right now and would rather pick off the other established alliances players. Boo, being a one man group, can easily be picked off down the road. Plus, if I was one of the established alliances, especially Earls, I would try to get Boo in my group for the time being. He would likely jump at the chance in order to prolong his stay on the island and although he seems a bit of a goober, isn't really annoying that we can tell so he wouldn't be a pain in the ass to keep around for a while.

I think Earl will try to pull Boo in now since Michelle is gone. Earl thought he didn't need Boo before because he had the strong group of 4. I think Earl/Cassandra go hard after Dreamz. Dreams doesn't care for Alex and clearly he feels like any outsider with the "Horsemen". I agree that it was kind of odd that the Horsemen were targeting Boo first. If I were them I'd be gunning for Earl first. Cut off the head.

atlantamoi 04-13-07 09:21 AM

I fell asleep right before the immunity challenge and woke up during tribal council. Talk about being confused!

devilshalo 04-13-07 09:23 AM

The thing is now.. will Alex trust Mookie enough with the HII now or will he force Mookie to use it?

Spoiler:
Especially after next weeks preview.

If Alex read anything into the 2nd vote for Stacy, and that Mookie was the one to tell Dreamz he had the idol, I think Alex may need to take the HII out of play. Of course, Yau Man and Earl seem to be the only two recognizing that 2 idols could be at play. It may also force the Ravu crew to rethink and search for the second idol (to find Yau Man's fake HII.)

cdollaz 04-13-07 09:34 AM

I hope Yau's idol gets found and used. I still think that someone whipping it out at TC and the WTF look on their face when Jeff tells them it isn't real would be priceless.


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