Goldblum

No...the last fifteen minutes was the worst part. Why did (1) Gredenko chop his arm off only to turn Fayad in 5 minutes later? And (2) why did Palmer spend the entire episode trying to stop Powers Boothe from nuking Bad Country only to agree with him after the plot line was played out? Because of an adreniline rush?

RUSF18

I've been on DVD Talk for a decent amount of time...and I don't remember a show getting bashed by ALL of its loyal viewers like 24 is now. I mean, usually you'll have the few suckers who will blindly defend a once-great, now-terrible show, but there's none of that here. I'm pretty impressed by the board.

Chew

Ah 24, always good for a laugh.

I don't know which was worse last night, this or Prison Break.

kenbuzz

Jack: "Show me your head"

Also, I'm sorry but this is the SECOND time 24 has trotted out the 25th Amendment, only to have completely missed an important part of the process:

1 - If the VP and a majority of the Cabinet believe the President is incapable of performing his duties, they inform the Speaker of the House and the President pro Tempore of the Senate of that fact (in writing), and the VP immediately assumes the powers and duties as Acting President.

2 - If the President thereafter submits notification (in writing) to the Speaker/Pro Tem that he *is* able to perform his duties, the powers immediately revert back to him.

3 - If the VP+Cabinet thereafter reiterate their statement of incapacity (again, in writing) to the House/Senate, then Congress shall decide the issue, with a two-thirds vote of BOTH houses required to remove the President and install the VP as Acting President.

Even if the VP and Cabinet vote and successfully invoke the 25th, all the President needs to do is submit his own statement to the House/Senate to resume his duties until Congress settles the matter.

www.constitution.org

DrRingDing

I couldn't say, but I'm ordering a strike against the writers of this show.

-ringding-

Charlie Goose

"Have at you!"

I liked the scene in the bar with the patrons throwing Fayed a beating, but if a nuke went off in your city one morning, would you really spend the evening in the local pub downing a few cold ones?

Snowmaker

I'd at least be at one that had chicks at it.

stingermck

The way i saw it Gredenko wanted to let Fayad in on the setup, (and telling him, he had no choice but to bring them here) having realized he'd rather be with him, and Bauer would probably not honor the deal anyway.

Fayad got pissed for Gredenko bringing CTU there, knew he was being tracked, asked him where the tracker was at, and took care of it.

Then Gredenko is like screw this, I just tried to help Fayad , and he cut my arm off, let me turn on him anyway. With some great bar patron ass kicking.

Chew

They're the same guys who golfed by Martha Logan's place a couple hours ago.

skatefan20

From USAToday:
April 2, 2007: The day '24' stood still

Spot on CRITICAL review, pretty much what's been said on the boards.

superdeluxe

Next season: jack solo.

Jack seems like a co-star this year.

Groucho

I'm actually enjoying the "political intrigue" storyline more than the "action" storyline this time around. The character progression of that guy from Dragonslayer in particular.

BamaDan

Well, this episode was better than the abortion that was last week's, but as someone said previously, it was too big of a hole to climb out of in one week. Next week with Jack and Doyle in the field together should be better. Som asked why Gredenko turned on Fayed after losing his own arm. Gredenko is out for Gredenko only. He's taking whatever method he can to try and escape. I'm sure he had no intention of going back to CTU custody and he saw his one opportunity to escape...bloody stump or not. Remember, Gredenko's entire plan revolves around screwing up the Arabs/Americans by using Fayed and apparently, it's working, even if he'll never get to see that happen.

Mrs. BD and I were watching last night and I was picking out plot lines that had been harvested from previous seasons. "Chopped off arm. That's season 3." "25th Ammendment Civics Lesson. That's season 2 and 4."

starseed1981

EXACTLY!

Shannon Nutt

That was my favorite part too...

...although the producers missed the gold mine by not having Freddy Cannon's "Palisades Park" as background music when Jack was following Gredenko.

Snowmaker

I'd watch that!

Groucho

art?

brainee

That was one of the worst episodes of "24" that I've seen. Stupid and unbelievable plot-twists, a decided lack of Jack Bauer, lame supporting performances. I get that they're trying to develop some new characters, but most aren't working. Milo&Nadia

cdollaz

I like the Tom Lennox character also. I like Doyle also. Seems like he could be like Jack when it comes to doing whatever it takes to get the job done. I want to see him torture someone.

metaridley

I've been watching 24 since the pilot, blah, blah, blah, one of its biggest fans, blah, blah, blah, worship Jack Bauer as my religion, etc...

...but even I can't defend this show anymore.

Seasons 1 - 5: some of the greatest TV I've ever seen (mixed w/ several laughable moments...no need to go there now though)

In particular, 5 was ace. The best damn season of any TV show ever.

But after a killer first 4 eps, 6 has gone downhill FAST. I may buy that disc containing just the 4-hour premiere but there's no way I'm shelling out for the entire season.

My prediction is the final 8 hours will not save this season. 24 is officially done. I, like many others, will stick around just to see how it ends, but unless the greatest comeback in TV history occurs for season 7, I'm not watching it anymore.

areacode212

I didn't even think the first 4 hours were all that great. A lot of the same old 24 cliches popped up, without anything especially original to keep things fresh: yet more Oval Office intrigue with a President Palmer; an annoying innocent civilian kid gets tangled up with terrorists; more junior high antics at CTU with Morris/Chloe/Milo; Jack is in a funk because of [strike]the death of his wife[/strike], [strike]heroin[/strike] torture; another old favorite was killed off, etc. The episode leading up to the nuke was tense and entertaining enough, but we've seen so many disasters on this show already that it wasn't all that impactful.

It did get much, much worse with the Bauer Family soap opera, though. The show got watchable again for a little while with the return of Logan, but it's back to being utter crap.

Quatermass

or at least The Drifters "Under the Boardwalk"

CaptainMarvel

Tom Lennox's character is massively surprising to me... he's been the anti-cliche for this season. Virtually every time I've expected him to do something (such as get caught up in the assassination plot, or bungle his way into taking the blame for it), he's managed to avoid the stupid result.

Achtung

I'm thinking that if they stick with the president/CTU/government conspiracy style in future seasons, then Lenox will be president.

Ideally though, like others said, drop CTU, the president, the huge MASSIVE threats to every living being on earth and just make a show that puts Jack back at the center.

Groucho

And he's well-acted too...something I didn't expect from that guy from Ghostbusters 2.