Veronica Mars -- "Mars, Bars" -- 02/20/07
 

"Mars, Bars"

Originally Aired: February 20, 2007

This will be my first time watching this in HD. :banana:

Thanks CW...don't bother having sound during this.

It'd be nice if Pittsburgh ever got The CW in HD.

Son of a -- !

Getting added to the opening credits of Veronica Mars isn't a good career move.

Anywho, I hate next week will be the last VM for awhile. I hope it comes back.

Wow! Didn't expect that.

Lamb is dead, long live Sheriff Mars!

That happened here last week - did you get the background music and stuff during certain scenes?

Damn, I liked Lamb.

Wow, that came out of left field... I really liked Lamb and his back and forth with VM.

Surprising and somewhat sad, but I enjoyed seeing Sheriff Mars back in action.

Lamb's death was a shock and a loss.

Logan and Parker have goos chemistry together.

The death of a Lamb, the Rise of a Mars....forboding forthwit!

Overall a good episode, even the Valentine's scavenger hunt.

Did Lamb say that he smelled bread for his dying words?

They did almost shoehorn in all the main cast except for Pizz in this episode.

Didnt the girl who got raped last season (whom is in the credits) have a shaved head and wearing a wig? So, if she went into the Ocean, wouldn't it have gotten wet?

Good riddance Lamb. He was really getting old.

Someone tells me that means Brain Damage.

Good episode overall. The Lamb thing kinda caught me as cold because of the Keith sherriff move so quickly. Anyhow, teaser for next week looks good.

Since Neptune votes for sheriff, I'm thinking Keith was just placed as the acting sheriff and he won't stay in the office for too long. I didn't think it was that quick, given his history in the office and the need for it not to remain empty for too long.

I kind of wondered that myself. Though technically it happen in the 1st week of school (September), Parker had a full head of shoulder length hair by February? :hscratch:

I actually saw Lamb's death coming. I was frankly tired of that character and his buffoonery and bumbling staff ("Why wasn't an officer accompanying Josh in the ambulance?") were just annoying. Interesting that Keith can now pursue his own leads in the Dean's murder. AND they also wrapped up the coach's death!

So this episode had (almost) the whole gang! The only person not in it was Dick Casablancas.

This episode made me feel like the show is starting to wrap itself up. This was episode 14 of 22 so we may only have 8 more episodes of Mars goodness. Savour it!

Good episode. lot happening and concluding. most of the characters, all used well. parker and logan hook up was inevitable. Missed pizz though.

I still say they need to turn Logan evil again. they can try to make Logan look all sugary sweet but the actor has a nasty way about him. He was much better when he was evil.

Glad to see the sheriff bite the dust, he was gettting annoying. Sheriff Mars should stay in that role for a while.

6, CW only ordered 20 episodes this season.

I loved Lamb, so I was really sad to see him go. The episode in season two ("The Rapes of Grath") when Keith blackmailed Lamb with the photos of him with the girl still crack me up. "18--It's legal! Re-elect Sheriff Lamb" :lol:

RIP Sheriff Lamb :(

I'm very disappointed he was killed off. He was a good rival for Keith and Veronica. I cracked up when he fired the gun inside the house only to discover he shot at the mirror.

Steve Botando has to be the killer. I say this for several reasons:

- By framing Mindy and Landry for the Dean's murder, Botando would get back custody of his kids.
- He has proven he can break into homes. He broke into Mindy's house and planted the egg on her car. He broke into Landry's house and stole his shirt and gloves which he used to kill the Dean. Landry's house is probably where he saw Veronica's paper and copied the "Goodbye Cruel World" line hoping the police would think Landry wrote this (after all he is the one that read Veronica's paper).

And we learned this week Landry had his phone bugged (I'm saying Botando did it). Botando also had his fingerprints on the Dean's computer.

Oh yeah the 2 episode Coach Barry "murder" mystery was interesting too. I didn't think it was a assisted suicide/suicide until Josh recieved a CD in his safety deposit box.

Except Botando was a drug addict, using. Where is this money coming from to bug a cellphone when his car was repo'ed? It sounded to me like it was a little more complicated than that. Of course it is easy to blame Botando now that he's dead. And how would he know to hide a small piece of eggshell in Mindy's wiper blade? Wouldn't Landry have said something about a break-in once the hidden gloves and shirt were found? Why hide something like that to implicate someone then never drop a tip to get it found by the police? I think there are so many details across the last few episodes that it could stack up to be several people still "in play".

Yeah, I don't think it's him simply because he's now dead.

Do we even know for sure if Botando is dead?
If he is dead, this would really throw the viewers off. After all most people would assume the killer is still alive.

I doubt Landry would have even noticed a pair of gloves and a shirt was missing from him closet.

The way I look at it there are only 5 potential suspects:

1) Dr. Landry
2) Mindy O'Dell
3) Steve Botando
4) Tim the TA
5) Mel Stolz

Options 4) and 5) have barely appeared in the past couple of episodes. Dr. Landry and Mindy O'Dell as the killers are too obvious.

Botando has the right motive to kill the Dean while framing Landry and Mindy.

Who do you guys think killed the Dean?

what a crappy way to send off Lamb. He's been criminally under used this season, so it's not too much of a loss. He was a great foil for Veronica and despite his incompetence at his job he was able to produce on occasion a few witty lines. He was also one of the very few regular quasi-antagonists left in the show. Logan and Weevil have both become Veronica's lap dogs and the rest have faded away.

I like Parker's perky trash talking personality so it was nice to see her and Mac out and about. If cared about the Logan/Veronica sappy romantic angle at all I would say it's kind of a douche move for both of them to see each other, but I'm really beyond caring. Also, why is it that I get a much stronger rapist/murderer vibe from Mac's current boyfriend than I did from her last one?

Also, I get the feeling that this isn't the first time Veronica has helped someone commit insurance fraud, but I can't remember the specifics. Offing yourself to cash in an existing policy without going thru a painful terminal disease is one thing, but taking out an additional policy and then faking the means of your death to invoke double indemnity is really sleazy.

@asianflow

While we have seen that Botando can break and enter, we haven't seen that he's capable of doing it without getting caught. He seems more the smash and grab/methhead type than stealthy thief. Plus he has never shown any interest in getting custody of his kid. Also, I don't think Botando can be both clever enough to put together this most subtle of setups and yet leave his prints all over the keyboard.

I wish I had all the episodes because I seem to recall Botando did miss his kid (see I'm not even sure if it's 1 or 2 kids) earlier this season.

My first thought was that Mindy O'Dell framed Botondo. The pure incompetance of the sheriff's office didn't find any of the evidence that Mindy planted. She hired Keith so that he could find the evidence that she made - point to Botondo.

Now with the gloves and shirt found and him dying. I don't know anymore.

I still think Tim the TA is the killer. He has knowledge of criminal investigation procedures and would have had access to Veronica's paper. He also may have some sort of grudge against Landry (he did manipulate Veronica into discovering the affair...). Maybe he had access to the monogramed shirt (or he could have had one made).

I think things sort of start to add up, but who knows they may throw us a curveball.

Look at the motives.

Mindy O'Dell - Big insurance pay-off

Hank Landry - He was already getting the goods with the dean in the picture. Why would he want to take the risk of killing him when there was no direct benefit? Unless Mindy convinced him to.

Steve Botando - Revenge, possibly framing Mindy in order to get his kids back. Unlikely, since he's dead now.

Tim Foyle (the TA) - None that makes sense. If he's jealous of Veronica over Dr. Landry's interest, he would have gone after Veronica. Murdering Landry because he passed him over for the FBI internship program is stretching it. However, we know he's interested in the case and is trying to solve it (perhaps to prove Landry wrong about his support for Veronica over him), so it's possible he put the bug in Landry's phone.

...although the fact that he's the least likely suspect makes him the most likely suspect... :)

Tim definitely put the bug in Landry's cell phone. My money is on Tim being the killer.

Well, correct, in the Veronica Mars universe. In that case, the sorority sister is just as likely.

It's probably the TA's girlfriend.

Tim the TA doesn't have a motive for killing the Dean.

If he was pissed off Landry chose Veronica over him for the FBI internship, than he could have killed Landry himself.

We also know Tim was at the same party Veronica was at during the Dean's murder. I'm not sure how long he stayed though because he came in to yell at his GF.

Don't forget by the Dean's reaction before he was shot, he clearly knew who the killer was. Tim and O'Dell never had a scene together.

See, the TA's GF has a motive to pin the blame on Tim. :D

Or... it could be Dick.

Yes, most likely got hit in the area of the brain that controls sense memories, knocking them out of whack (literally), which would be why he suddenly smelled bread.

Personally, I'm not all that sad to see him go. He was getting a bit played out, and I found it hard to believe he was even able to keep his job being so clueless. In the end, it was his own ineptitude that got him killed. They pretty much even spelled that out by him shooting the reflection of himself in the mirror - just a complete lack of competence for the job.

Funny before last night's episode we were saying that Lamb was just so one note and it was getting tiresome that after all this time that he never believed Keith or Veronica.
I mean, come on.
They should bring back the Deputy from the first season (name slips my mind). The one that dated Veronica. He could be Keith's assistant.

I don't mind the death of a recurring character, but this seemed to serve no purpose other than to have a shock in the episode. Poorly done death, IMO.

The purpose may have been to get Keith back as Sherrif..

Really? To me he seems like a relatively possesive psychotic - aside from wanting to marry his pregnant girlfriend knowing the kid probably wasn't his.

More reasonable is his moral compass. Landry having an affair with a married woman is wrong. Punish Landry by killing O'Dell and framing Landry. That makes more sense than Landry hiding that stuff in the furnace - which makes NO sense.

(This is my first "guess who" for Veronica Mars since I am just watching this season live. Totally fun! :banana:)