Twenty Four (24) -- "Day 6: 12 Noon - 1PM" -- 02/05/07
02-06-07 | 08:51 AM
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I agree in that the acting is not up to par with previous seasons. I think one of the major problems is that 24 world has had nothing but wimpy presidents since David Palmer. They need to bring back an imposing figure as a president and one that Jack has to earn his trust (they just don't trust him because he's Jack). I also think that we're missing the boat on the fact that Jack has been asked to do all of this while he's been away from the world for 20 months and all of a sudden flown half way around the world and expected to jump right back into the killer mindset. You know Jack went through a mental break down while he was in China and he's trying to adjust to everything that's happened in the world, as well as with his family now. That has to be taxing on anybody...
The thing that got me last night and threw a red flag up was when Father Bauer shot that guy in the head while Jack was crouching next to him after knocking him out. That was the first sign that he was the real bad guy and it was all just a ruse for him to be "killed". My thing is, why didn't he just shoot Jack right then and there and throw him into the grave? If all he is worried about is his company and his own a$$, then why didn't he just shoot Jack then go and kill Graham and now he's off scott free. That just didn't make sense to me. We'll see how they play it out though...
I'm looking forward to another big name (Rick Schroeder) joining the cast. I hope he acts like his character on NYPD Blue.
The thing that got me last night and threw a red flag up was when Father Bauer shot that guy in the head while Jack was crouching next to him after knocking him out. That was the first sign that he was the real bad guy and it was all just a ruse for him to be "killed". My thing is, why didn't he just shoot Jack right then and there and throw him into the grave? If all he is worried about is his company and his own a$$, then why didn't he just shoot Jack then go and kill Graham and now he's off scott free. That just didn't make sense to me. We'll see how they play it out though...
I'm looking forward to another big name (Rick Schroeder) joining the cast. I hope he acts like his character on NYPD Blue.
02-06-07 | 08:52 AM
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Why exactly would Jack's dad go through so many hoops to kill Palmer/frame Jack? I'm supposing it was to get his company into the security in Russia, but man, remember when 24 was ummm smaller? Seemed so much more believeable to see Jack trying to stop an assassination than the really formula martini stuff that's been the last 3 seasons: [horrible nuclear/bio event threatens LA] + [evil President/V.P.] + [somebody who knows Jack wants to profit from a war/terrorism]
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Shake and strain over chilled audience.
02-06-07 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz
My thing is, why didn't he just shoot Jack right then and there and throw him into the grave? If all he is worried about is his company and his own a$$, then why didn't he just shoot Jack then go and kill Graham and now he's off scott free. That just didn't make sense to me. We'll see how they play it out though...
02-06-07 | 09:27 AM
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Do they purposely make James Cromwell look this bad or is that really how he is? I haven't seen him in a while in anything, so it's hard to look at the guy since he looks on the brink of death.
02-06-07 | 09:39 AM
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I also think this is the first time I ever heard Jack call someone "Pal", when he was talking to Buchanan, he ended the call and said, "thanks Pal"
02-06-07 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Doughboy
That's what I said in a previous thread. The problem with 24 this season is not the predictability. It's that this cast of characters doesn't compare to their predecessors.
Wayne Palmer sucks. Granted, so did Keeler in Season 4, but they quickly fixed that problem by replacing him with Logan and they still had David Palmer to fall back on.
Sandra Palmer sucks. Sherry was annoying too, but you loved to hate her. We just hate Sandra. Thankfully, her screentime was at a minimum last night.
The jury's still out on Powers Boothe, but they've gone to the slimy Vice Prez well twice already(last season being a ruse however). Hopefully he gives a good enough performance to make us overlook that.
Killing Curtis was stupid. He was kind of bland, but he was also a bad MF. I much preferred him to Chase and his stupid baby/Kim soap opera nonsense. Rick Schroeder better do a helluva job filling his shoes.
Morris is alright and it looks like his character just became a lot more central to the plot. But he can't replace the lovable Edgar.
Tom Lennox could be a decent character if the writers weren't stacking the deck against him. His agenda could actually be the subject for an interesting debate on the show.
Milo and Nadia don't bring much to their roles aside from good looks. They're not even in the same league as Tony and Michelle.
And to make matters worse, we're missing some of the strongest supporting characters from Season 5 like the Logans and Aaron Pierce. Hell, even Mike Novick and Audrey Raines were pretty decent compared to what we're currently stuck with.
Wayne Palmer sucks. Granted, so did Keeler in Season 4, but they quickly fixed that problem by replacing him with Logan and they still had David Palmer to fall back on.
Sandra Palmer sucks. Sherry was annoying too, but you loved to hate her. We just hate Sandra. Thankfully, her screentime was at a minimum last night.
The jury's still out on Powers Boothe, but they've gone to the slimy Vice Prez well twice already(last season being a ruse however). Hopefully he gives a good enough performance to make us overlook that.
Killing Curtis was stupid. He was kind of bland, but he was also a bad MF. I much preferred him to Chase and his stupid baby/Kim soap opera nonsense. Rick Schroeder better do a helluva job filling his shoes.
Morris is alright and it looks like his character just became a lot more central to the plot. But he can't replace the lovable Edgar.
Tom Lennox could be a decent character if the writers weren't stacking the deck against him. His agenda could actually be the subject for an interesting debate on the show.
Milo and Nadia don't bring much to their roles aside from good looks. They're not even in the same league as Tony and Michelle.
And to make matters worse, we're missing some of the strongest supporting characters from Season 5 like the Logans and Aaron Pierce. Hell, even Mike Novick and Audrey Raines were pretty decent compared to what we're currently stuck with.
Killing David Palmer, Tony, Michelle last season was short-sighted. It worked well for last season but not in the long run. Now we have a cast of nobody's to care about. Curtis was another misstep. What a wasted character. He was shown to be able to go toe-to-toe with Jack, but turned him into a pussy at the end.
Previous to him appearing, I had some high hopes for Daddy Bauer. Not sure what those hopes were, but I can say what they are feeding us just doesn't sit right. Makes me wonder if it would have been more tolerable with Donald in the role.
02-06-07 | 10:31 AM
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Actually, I thought he said "pal" as well...
02-06-07 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Septemberbaby
What a sick demented, twisted, dysfunctional family!!
Those Bauer's are all kooks!
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I think that Graem Jr. is definitely Jack's son.
Those Bauer's are all kooks!
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I think that Graem Jr. is definitely Jack's son.
Sick, Demented, Twisted and Dysfunctional!
02-06-07 | 10:49 AM
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Do you think Graem's guys were going to kill both Jack AND Dad? Dad seemed to think that was Graem's plan.
02-06-07 | 11:04 AM
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I think another thing that has been killing 24 the last couple seasons is starting right off the bat with a major shocker or event. It kind of makes what follows a bit dull.
I liked the build-up in the first couple hours of the earlier seasons, as CTU is just finding out about a terrorist plot and trying to find out more info about it. Meanwhile, we got a little bit of character development. Now we're just thrown a new batch of characters right from the get-go that we have to try and give a damn about.
I liked the build-up in the first couple hours of the earlier seasons, as CTU is just finding out about a terrorist plot and trying to find out more info about it. Meanwhile, we got a little bit of character development. Now we're just thrown a new batch of characters right from the get-go that we have to try and give a damn about.
02-06-07 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Doughboy
That's what I said in a previous thread. The problem with 24 this season is not the predictability. It's that this cast of characters doesn't compare to their predecessors.
Wayne Palmer sucks. Granted, so did Keeler in Season 4, but they quickly fixed that problem by replacing him with Logan and they still had David Palmer to fall back on.
Sandra Palmer sucks. Sherry was annoying too, but you loved to hate her. We just hate Sandra. Thankfully, her screentime was at a minimum last night.
The jury's still out on Powers Boothe, but they've gone to the slimy Vice Prez well twice already(last season being a ruse however). Hopefully he gives a good enough performance to make us overlook that.
Killing Curtis was stupid. He was kind of bland, but he was also a bad MF. I much preferred him to Chase and his stupid baby/Kim soap opera nonsense. Rick Schroeder better do a helluva job filling his shoes.
Morris is alright and it looks like his character just became a lot more central to the plot. But he can't replace the lovable Edgar.
Tom Lennox could be a decent character if the writers weren't stacking the deck against him. His agenda could actually be the subject for an interesting debate on the show.
Milo and Nadia don't bring much to their roles aside from good looks. They're not even in the same league as Tony and Michelle.
And to make matters worse, we're missing some of the strongest supporting characters from Season 5 like the Logans and Aaron Pierce. Hell, even Mike Novick and Audrey Raines were pretty decent compared to what we're currently stuck with.
Wayne Palmer sucks. Granted, so did Keeler in Season 4, but they quickly fixed that problem by replacing him with Logan and they still had David Palmer to fall back on.
Sandra Palmer sucks. Sherry was annoying too, but you loved to hate her. We just hate Sandra. Thankfully, her screentime was at a minimum last night.
The jury's still out on Powers Boothe, but they've gone to the slimy Vice Prez well twice already(last season being a ruse however). Hopefully he gives a good enough performance to make us overlook that.
Killing Curtis was stupid. He was kind of bland, but he was also a bad MF. I much preferred him to Chase and his stupid baby/Kim soap opera nonsense. Rick Schroeder better do a helluva job filling his shoes.
Morris is alright and it looks like his character just became a lot more central to the plot. But he can't replace the lovable Edgar.
Tom Lennox could be a decent character if the writers weren't stacking the deck against him. His agenda could actually be the subject for an interesting debate on the show.
Milo and Nadia don't bring much to their roles aside from good looks. They're not even in the same league as Tony and Michelle.
And to make matters worse, we're missing some of the strongest supporting characters from Season 5 like the Logans and Aaron Pierce. Hell, even Mike Novick and Audrey Raines were pretty decent compared to what we're currently stuck with.
02-06-07 | 11:43 AM
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God, another really bad episode last night. Don't know if it was better or worse than last week's, but it was definitely the worst performance by Keifer...he was WAY over the top in those interrogation/torture scenes...almost laughably so.
I hope 24 isn't turning into a parody of itself...but it's been nothing but silly and/or dull since the nuclear bomb went off at the end of Episode 4.
I actually found myself saying "I want President Logan back!" after that pitiful staff meeting of Palmer's last night.
You know the storyline isn't going well when you start rooting for the bad guys!
I hope 24 isn't turning into a parody of itself...but it's been nothing but silly and/or dull since the nuclear bomb went off at the end of Episode 4.
I actually found myself saying "I want President Logan back!" after that pitiful staff meeting of Palmer's last night.
You know the storyline isn't going well when you start rooting for the bad guys!
02-06-07 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipper II
I have no idea how people can call last night's episode "weak." It had some of the most intense scenes we've seen on the show for quite some time. And who couldn't love that interrogation scene?
I do think, however, they should wrap it up after this season and focus on the movie to conclude.
02-06-07 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by uteotw
Do you think Graem's guys were going to kill both Jack AND Dad? Dad seemed to think that was Graem's plan.
It doesn't matter, the story doesn't make any sense anyway.
02-06-07 | 12:39 PM
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I am not that engaged this season.
The whole Jack's brother things is boring and that he could selectively say what he wanted under the sodium penethal (sp?) was lame.
I agree that all the other characters are just kind bla this season. Peter McNichol's character is a stereotypical villian and the fact that Wayne just accepted what he said affirms that he is weak.
Chad Lowe's character has nothing to do. This is a good actor that is stuck in a thank less role. That is unless they have something planned for him later.
Sorry to see Karen go. She was the only character that I really liked at the White House. I hope she makes it back to CTU.
The whole Jack's brother things is boring and that he could selectively say what he wanted under the sodium penethal (sp?) was lame.
I agree that all the other characters are just kind bla this season. Peter McNichol's character is a stereotypical villian and the fact that Wayne just accepted what he said affirms that he is weak.
Chad Lowe's character has nothing to do. This is a good actor that is stuck in a thank less role. That is unless they have something planned for him later.
Sorry to see Karen go. She was the only character that I really liked at the White House. I hope she makes it back to CTU.
02-06-07 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Deftones
Do they purposely make James Cromwell look this bad or is that really how he is? I haven't seen him in a while in anything, so it's hard to look at the guy since he looks on the brink of death.
02-06-07 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
The whole Jack's brother things is boring and that he could selectively say what he wanted under the sodium penethal (sp?) was lame.
02-06-07 | 01:26 PM
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Just a little news on the 24 feature film and the new movie Kiefer is shooting after 24 wraps this season:
From zap2it.com
Kiefer Sutherland will take a break from the wear and tear of "24" to shoot the supernatural thriller "Mirrors" this summer.
Alexandre Aja ("The Hills Have Eyes") is directing the 20th Century Fox production, which focuses on a mall cop who discovers that something is wrong with the mirrors of a department store. The Variety report doesn't say what, exactly, is wrong, but our hunch is that the mirrors make shoppers think they're fat.
Aja wrote the most recent draft of the script.
Production on the sixth season of "24" will end in April and Sutherland will begin shooting "Mirrors" on May 1 in Romania.
The original plan for the summer hiatus had been to shoot the long-discussed "24" movie. However, producers determined that they had yet to find the exact script to bring Jack Bauer's heroic adventures to the big screen and the "24" film was pushed back to next summer.
Sutherland's latest feature appearance was in the thriller "The Sentinel."
From zap2it.com
Kiefer Sutherland will take a break from the wear and tear of "24" to shoot the supernatural thriller "Mirrors" this summer.
Alexandre Aja ("The Hills Have Eyes") is directing the 20th Century Fox production, which focuses on a mall cop who discovers that something is wrong with the mirrors of a department store. The Variety report doesn't say what, exactly, is wrong, but our hunch is that the mirrors make shoppers think they're fat.
Aja wrote the most recent draft of the script.
Production on the sixth season of "24" will end in April and Sutherland will begin shooting "Mirrors" on May 1 in Romania.
The original plan for the summer hiatus had been to shoot the long-discussed "24" movie. However, producers determined that they had yet to find the exact script to bring Jack Bauer's heroic adventures to the big screen and the "24" film was pushed back to next summer.
Sutherland's latest feature appearance was in the thriller "The Sentinel."
02-06-07 | 01:36 PM
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I thought last nights episode was an improvement over last week. Especially with Jon Cassar back in the directing chair.
I really wanted to give DB Woodside a fair shake as the President, but after seeing him recite dialogue like he was reading a school book report, he's lost all credibility with me. His speech to the cabinet members and the VP was terrible. The 24 producers did a bad job casting him as the commander in chief. At this point, I would much rather have seen Hal Gardiner as the Prez. At least Ray Wise is a good actor and has the "look" of a President.
I'm hoping that bringing back Greg Itzen and Jean Smart this season will at least shake things up a bit. Also, I'm looking forward to seeing what Ricky Schroder brings to the table.
Since it's February sweeps, It looks like we're finally in for a treat for next weeks 2 hour event.
I really wanted to give DB Woodside a fair shake as the President, but after seeing him recite dialogue like he was reading a school book report, he's lost all credibility with me. His speech to the cabinet members and the VP was terrible. The 24 producers did a bad job casting him as the commander in chief. At this point, I would much rather have seen Hal Gardiner as the Prez. At least Ray Wise is a good actor and has the "look" of a President.
I'm hoping that bringing back Greg Itzen and Jean Smart this season will at least shake things up a bit. Also, I'm looking forward to seeing what Ricky Schroder brings to the table.
Since it's February sweeps, It looks like we're finally in for a treat for next weeks 2 hour event.
02-06-07 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DJariya
Kiefer Sutherland will take a break from the wear and tear of "24" to shoot the supernatural thriller "Mirrors" this summer.
Alexandre Aja ("The Hills Have Eyes") is directing the 20th Century Fox production, which focuses on a mall cop who discovers that something is wrong with the mirrors of a department store. The Variety report doesn't say what, exactly, is wrong, but our hunch is that the mirrors make shoppers think they're fat.
Alexandre Aja ("The Hills Have Eyes") is directing the 20th Century Fox production, which focuses on a mall cop who discovers that something is wrong with the mirrors of a department store. The Variety report doesn't say what, exactly, is wrong, but our hunch is that the mirrors make shoppers think they're fat.
Back to "24": I think we're seeing the show pay the price for Season 5's bloodbath of established long-running characters. The new guys (or older guys with bigger roles) like Milo, Morris, Wayne and Sandra Palmer just aren't clicking like Tony, Michelle, Edgar, David. Without characters we care much about, it just becomes an exercise in plot. And we've seen all these plot turns before: Jack having yet another intense torture scene of someone, weaselly advisors to the Prez, a hawkish power-hungry VP, a trusted person turn out to be the criminal mastermind, CTU agents not field-ready getting put in harms way. Though it sounds like "24" might be taking steps to work on better characters later this season. And its just hard to top the first 4 hours this year -- that's the danger of opening with something like that. I'm still confident that "24" will shape up by season's end and deliver another great story. "24" at its worst is still more entertaining to me than most shows at their best.
02-06-07 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cdollaz
I don't remember anyone giving him sodium pentathol. When did that happen?
I've been thinking the same thing. He's 67 but looks 80.
I really wanted to give DB Woodside a fair shake as the President, but after seeing him recite dialogue like he was reading a school book report, he's lost all credibility with me. His speech to the cabinet members and the VP was terrible. The 24 producers did a bad job casting him as the commander in chief. At this point, I would much rather have seen Hal Gardiner as the Prez. At least Ray Wise is a good actor and has the "look" of a President
02-06-07 | 02:09 PM
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From: The member formerly known as crazypetedotcom
Whatever liquid that was, it wasn't Sodium Pentathol, but some sort of neuro-inflammatory. If Jack mentioned the specific name of it I can't recall.