Lost -- "I Do" -- Fall Finale! -- 11.08.2006
11-10-06 | 12:29 AM
#201
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Originally Posted by GuessWho
OF COURSE THEY'S MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG!!!!!
How is this a surprise or even a disappointment?!?
If the show didn't do well in the beginning, they would have to wrap up the story in 1 season or less.
The network & producers don't know how long the show will continue to be a success, so how the hell can they plan a story arc without making stuff up? It could be 1 year, it could be 5. Who knows yet?
How is this a surprise or even a disappointment?!?
If the show didn't do well in the beginning, they would have to wrap up the story in 1 season or less.
The network & producers don't know how long the show will continue to be a success, so how the hell can they plan a story arc without making stuff up? It could be 1 year, it could be 5. Who knows yet?
11-10-06 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GuessWho
OF COURSE THEY'S MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG!!!!!
How is this a surprise or even a disappointment?!?
How is this a surprise or even a disappointment?!?
11-10-06 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
He doesn't necessarily have to be her biological father. Remember that Alex was kidnapped as a baby, and brought up by the Others.
11-10-06 | 09:47 AM
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David Fury's comments can also be taken w/ a grain of salt considering he left the show after season one to go to '24'. Bad feelings maybe? (plus w/ last season's 24 that he was a part of...it seemed like a LOT of that was written as they went)
The producers have always said for Lost when they introduce a new mystery, they know what's behind it. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
I do think of lot of the character situations are probably made up as they go. They have to be flexible in TV shows to read how actors work w/ each other and be able to adapt that into good story ideas. Shawn Ryan from the Shield has said certain story plots were abandoned in the past and new ones made because of how certain actors worked together. I think that's just the nature of TV shows. The producers have had it beat into them by fans to make sure this 'doesn't turn into the next X-files'....
The producers have always said for Lost when they introduce a new mystery, they know what's behind it. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
I do think of lot of the character situations are probably made up as they go. They have to be flexible in TV shows to read how actors work w/ each other and be able to adapt that into good story ideas. Shawn Ryan from the Shield has said certain story plots were abandoned in the past and new ones made because of how certain actors worked together. I think that's just the nature of TV shows. The producers have had it beat into them by fans to make sure this 'doesn't turn into the next X-files'....
11-10-06 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JayDerek
David Fury's comments can also be taken w/ a grain of salt considering he left the show after season one to go to '24'.
Bad feelings maybe?
11-10-06 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James
No -- he was lured away by a promotion. He ran 24 and I think got a development deal on top of that.
11-10-06 | 10:57 AM
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I think it's more a function of everybody asking about LOST and Fury (like most of the Whedon corps) being a guy who is comfortable being open with a fanbase. It's a refreshing change from the stonewalling done by the current LOST management on every single issue.
11-10-06 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JayDerek
David Fury's comments can also be taken w/ a grain of salt considering he left the show after season one to go to '24'. Bad feelings maybe? (plus w/ last season's 24 that he was a part of...it seemed like a LOT of that was written as they went)
The producers have always said for Lost when they introduce a new mystery, they know what's behind it. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
The producers have always said for Lost when they introduce a new mystery, they know what's behind it. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
It's like Babylon 5. JMS has made it very clear that he had the whole 5 year acr mapped out from the beginning. No one doubts that. But at the same time, it's also very clear from his comments that he made things up as he went along. He knew where the characters were going and maybe how they were going to get there, but that doesn't mean all the episodes were written ahead of time.
That's how I see Lost. They might know the answers to the big questions, but that doesn't mean that every little story plot is worked out ahead of time. I think they think they know where they're going, but they're figuring out the best route to get there as they go.
11-10-06 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James
I think it's more a function of everybody asking about LOST and Fury (like most of the Whedon corps) being a guy who is comfortable being open with a fanbase. It's a refreshing change from the stonewalling done by the current LOST management on every single issue.
11-10-06 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Groucho
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Cuse & Lindelof have always been open with the fans, in both the podcasts and in numerous interviews.
11-10-06 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MEJHarrison
I like to believe the answer is somewhere in the middle. I think they do have some of the big outline stuff figured out ahead of time. They just haven't worked out the details.
It's like Babylon 5. JMS has made it very clear that he had the whole 5 year acr mapped out from the beginning. No one doubts that. But at the same time, it's also very clear from his comments that he made things up as he went along. He knew where the characters were going and maybe how they were going to get there, but that doesn't mean all the episodes were written ahead of time.
That's how I see Lost. They might know the answers to the big questions, but that doesn't mean that every little story plot is worked out ahead of time. I think they think they know where they're going, but they're figuring out the best route to get there as they go.
It's like Babylon 5. JMS has made it very clear that he had the whole 5 year acr mapped out from the beginning. No one doubts that. But at the same time, it's also very clear from his comments that he made things up as he went along. He knew where the characters were going and maybe how they were going to get there, but that doesn't mean all the episodes were written ahead of time.
That's how I see Lost. They might know the answers to the big questions, but that doesn't mean that every little story plot is worked out ahead of time. I think they think they know where they're going, but they're figuring out the best route to get there as they go.
11-10-06 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy James
I think that would be quite acceptable. It's okay to me if they made up as they went along that Kate had a husband once. It's not okay with me if they decided that Locke wasn't able to walk without considering how they might explain that.
they implied Kate had a husband right away in season 1...
11-10-06 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MEJHarrison
I like to believe the answer is somewhere in the middle. I think they do have some of the big outline stuff figured out ahead of time. They just haven't worked out the details.
It's like Babylon 5. JMS has made it very clear that he had the whole 5 year acr mapped out from the beginning. No one doubts that. But at the same time, it's also very clear from his comments that he made things up as he went along. He knew where the characters were going and maybe how they were going to get there, but that doesn't mean all the episodes were written ahead of time.
That's how I see Lost. They might know the answers to the big questions, but that doesn't mean that every little story plot is worked out ahead of time. I think they think they know where they're going, but they're figuring out the best route to get there as they go.
It's like Babylon 5. JMS has made it very clear that he had the whole 5 year acr mapped out from the beginning. No one doubts that. But at the same time, it's also very clear from his comments that he made things up as he went along. He knew where the characters were going and maybe how they were going to get there, but that doesn't mean all the episodes were written ahead of time.
That's how I see Lost. They might know the answers to the big questions, but that doesn't mean that every little story plot is worked out ahead of time. I think they think they know where they're going, but they're figuring out the best route to get there as they go.
We all know, and super fans, that the ending will probably be unspectacular to us. Might be L. Ron in a spaceship to the mother planet. But let's just enjoy the run, and damn it Kate...RUN!!!
11-10-06 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dvd182
Boo freaking hoo. Go watch 24 or Prison Break if you want instant gratification and plotlines that last 45 minutes. The rest of us will keep enjoying the mystery.
11-10-06 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by riley_dude
I read it in the magazine dreamwatch a couple of years ago. He said that they didn't receive any intrusions from ABC until about Episode 7 or 8 of the first season. Guess they wanted things to be more "Vague" and have less of the answers weighing in SCI FI territory so if it is slow it's all due to ABC or their Sister company wanting it to go slower. He said he didnt know how long he could string the audience along without them losing interest.
I also managed to find this online:
THEY'RE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO
The Lost creators have often claimed they know where the show is going and that everything will ultimately add up. Well, the current creators, anyway. "There was absolutely no master plan on Lost," insists David Fury, a co-executive producer last season who wrote the series' two best episodes and is now a write-producer on 24. "Anybody who said that was lying."
"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything, and I'm here to tell you no - a lot of things are just arbitrary. What I always tried to do was connect there random elements, to create the illusion that it was all adding up to something."
Many plot elements were concocted on the fly, Fury says; for example, they didn't know Hurley won the lottery until it came time to write his episode. "I don't like to talk about when we come up with ideas," Lidelof demurs. "It's a magic trick. But we planned that plot: We seeded references to it in earlier episodes." Fury disagrees. He says scenes with those references were filmed much later and inserted into earlier yet-to-air episodes: "It's a brilliant trick to make us look smart. But doing that created a huge budget problem."
I also managed to find this online:
THEY'RE MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO
The Lost creators have often claimed they know where the show is going and that everything will ultimately add up. Well, the current creators, anyway. "There was absolutely no master plan on Lost," insists David Fury, a co-executive producer last season who wrote the series' two best episodes and is now a write-producer on 24. "Anybody who said that was lying."
"On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything, and I'm here to tell you no - a lot of things are just arbitrary. What I always tried to do was connect there random elements, to create the illusion that it was all adding up to something."
Many plot elements were concocted on the fly, Fury says; for example, they didn't know Hurley won the lottery until it came time to write his episode. "I don't like to talk about when we come up with ideas," Lidelof demurs. "It's a magic trick. But we planned that plot: We seeded references to it in earlier episodes." Fury disagrees. He says scenes with those references were filmed much later and inserted into earlier yet-to-air episodes: "It's a brilliant trick to make us look smart. But doing that created a huge budget problem."
wow didnt know that..
got a link to that article?
11-10-06 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chauzer
so are walt and michael officially gone from the show? any news of them ever returning?
11-10-06 | 11:28 PM
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I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. Jack is a badass. The long wait really sucks. I don't listen to spoilers or watch previews. Infact, I've never seen a single Lost commerical or preview in my life. I only watch the dvds and the bit torrent downloads. So, I have no expectations based on the way they market episodes or anything like that.
Even though they're clearly making shit up as they go along they are pretty damn good at keeping the show fun and interesting. Right now it's not bothering me, because the show stays compelling for one reason or another. It'll never reach the greatness of Buffy or Angel due to the fact that it's all being made up, but the journey is still fun, so I try not to dwell on it.
I do hope they go into more about what makes Walt so special and why Claire must raise Aaron her son. Is he the anti christ or something? If you think to much about the stuff you can easily pick at its flaws, but I'm just going to try to enjoy it and see if they get back on those subjects.
Hopefully Michael will return and maybe the losties willl hold an island trial, convict him of two counts of murder and sentence him to death. That would be interesting.
I'm still curiout about the whole Libby being a mental patient thing. That one could drive me bonkers if I think about it too much.
Even though they're clearly making shit up as they go along they are pretty damn good at keeping the show fun and interesting. Right now it's not bothering me, because the show stays compelling for one reason or another. It'll never reach the greatness of Buffy or Angel due to the fact that it's all being made up, but the journey is still fun, so I try not to dwell on it.
I do hope they go into more about what makes Walt so special and why Claire must raise Aaron her son. Is he the anti christ or something?
If you think to much about the stuff you can easily pick at its flaws, but I'm just going to try to enjoy it and see if they get back on those subjects.Hopefully Michael will return and maybe the losties willl hold an island trial, convict him of two counts of murder and sentence him to death. That would be interesting.
I'm still curiout about the whole Libby being a mental patient thing. That one could drive me bonkers if I think about it too much.
11-11-06 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Slayer2005
It'll never reach the greatness of Buffy or Angel due to the fact that it's all being made up....
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With Angel, pretty much all of season 4 was being made up as they went along. I think with season 5 they were able to map out that story arc ahead of time, but there were still elements that were up in the air, like Cordelia's storyline.
11-11-06 | 12:52 AM
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did the producers say they killed libby off the show b/c of the drunk driving incident?
so we're not gonna get any resolution to her and hurley being in that mental institution together?
so we're not gonna get any resolution to her and hurley being in that mental institution together?
11-11-06 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Chauzer
did the producers say they killed libby off the show b/c of the drunk driving incident?
so we're not gonna get any resolution to her and hurley being in that mental institution together?
so we're not gonna get any resolution to her and hurley being in that mental institution together?
On one of the podcasts they said:
Spoiler:
11-11-06 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
With Angel, pretty much all of season 4 was being made up as they went along. I think with season 5 they were able to map out that story arc ahead of time, but there were still elements that were up in the air, like Cordelia's storyline.
11-12-06 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Chauzer
so are walt and michael officially gone from the show? any news of them ever returning?