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Fielding Mellish 07-11-06 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by ScandalUMD


Really, really nice work.

slop101 07-11-06 10:59 AM

I think it's awesomely hilarious how for all the power and sway the Hearst family had back then that now, almost 100 years later, most of what is left of their legacy (true or not) is Deadwood and Citizen Kane, showing how unloved and bat-shit insane both father and son were.

Thos19 07-11-06 11:33 AM

And don't forget:

the long awaited return of the indian head in the box !

aktick 07-11-06 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by slop101
I think it's awesomely hilarious how for all the power and sway the Hearst family had back then that now, almost 100 years later, most of what is left of their legacy (true or not) is Deadwood and Citizen Kane, showing how unloved and bat-shit insane both father and son were.

Enlighten me?

Palaver 07-11-06 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by aktick
Enlighten me?

Citizen Kane was supposedly based on the life of William Randolph Hearst.

clckworang 07-11-06 03:03 PM

OK, so I finally watched this episode last night, and all I can really think to say is: Oh my God the eye!! Whoah, wasn't expecting that at all. What a dirty, brutal fight that was. I thought it was a great episode, things are really starting to get cooking in Deadwood. Can't wait for the next episode.

And as someone else said, while I wasn't a big detractor from the half a season of The Sopranos that we just got, it didn't get me nearly this excited for the next episode.

Roto 07-11-06 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by slop101
I think it's awesomely hilarious how for all the power and sway the Hearst family had back then that now, almost 100 years later, most of what is left of their legacy (true or not) is Deadwood and Citizen Kane, showing how unloved and bat-shit insane both father and son were.

Don't forget the media empire and the Manson family.

corbin dallas 07-11-06 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by cross
Could someone explain what's the deal with Steve and the board he signed?

Was this in previous episode?

Last season actually when hostetler caught Steve doing an unmentionable to a horse made him admit to doing it on the board.

corbin dallas 07-11-06 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Thos19
And don't forget:

the long awaited return of the indian head in the box !

Laughed my ass off when Al opened the cabinet....Classic

aktick 07-11-06 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by corbin dallas
Laughed my ass off when Al opened the cabinet....Classic

Me too, I thought he got rid of it.

nazz 07-11-06 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
For the long answer:

http://continentaloperative.blogspo...h-deadwood.html
I've arrived very late to the party and just started watching this season. Your insights have helped me tremendously in understanding what's going on.

Baron Of Hell 07-12-06 12:30 AM

So Elsworth taste the dope and decides leave. WTF. Sure he seems like the type of guy not to do a doped up girl but why would he just leave. Why not confront her, or sit her down for a talk. Heck the doctor told her to take some. It was just so sudden. Iceberg.

PaperStreetSoapCo 07-12-06 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell
So Elsworth taste the dope and decides leave. WTF. Sure he seems like the type of guy not to do a doped up girl but why would he just leave. Why not confront her, or sit her down for a talk. Heck the doctor told her to take some. It was just so sudden. Iceberg.

I think it had more to do with Ellsworth's feeling of inadaquacy for Alma. Their relationship has never been at all sexual, and when she finally shows that kind of interest in him, she's heavily doped up. Along with Bullock being given possession of Sophie if Alma had died earlier in the season, I think Ellsworth felt the marriage wasn't all that fair to him.

Mordred 07-13-06 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
My reply got really long, so I stuck it on my new blog instead of taking up half a page here (not to self-advertise). Some folks said they found my thoughts on Deadwood insightful a couple of weeks ago. I've been trying to figure out what Hearst's deal was, and the short answer is, I think he's just fucking crazy.

Good stuff. I'm not completely sure he's crazy, I just think he thinks he's allowed to get away with anything because he's one of the richest men in the world. He's been getting away with it for his entire life by bribing, intimidating and killing that nothing is out of bounds for him by this point. I also don't he's scared of Al/Dan/Bullock at all. He thinks too highly of himself to ever be scared of anyone. The exchange at the end was him lashing out at Bullock as a direct result of the captain's death, not any desire to protect himself from Al. He certainly wasn't scared when Bullock pulled the gun on him, and if he were completely crazy he would have kept right on insulting him, daring Bullock to pull the trigger. He definitely still has a sense of self preservation.

B.A. 07-13-06 04:51 PM

Bullock asking Hearst if he just told him to go fuck himself was funny as hell.

Johnny stepped up to the plate and started acting as Al's right-hand-man. And then Al offered him a chair at the end of the night. :beer:

Poor Elsworth.

I was hoping Trixie would go off on Alma, but maybe she is patiently awaiting the right opportunity.

And Sol's face when Trixie finally broke down and asked him after her rant. rotfl

I really didn't need to see that intro.

crankyman 07-14-06 08:22 AM

took a sec. to figure out why alma was staring at and playing with that plant and talking so calm. doooope.


iceberg!

CheapBastid 07-14-06 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
My reply got really long, so I stuck it on my new blog instead of taking up half a page here (not to self-advertise). Some folks said they found my thoughts on Deadwood insightful a couple of weeks ago. I've been trying to figure out what Hearst's deal was, and the short answer is, I think he's just fucking crazy.

For the long answer:

http://continentaloperative.blogspot...-deadwood.html

As I'm unwilling to create a Blogger account I'll respond here to some items I think may be misinterpreted

Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
In the first episode of the season, Hearst staged the execution of one of his Cornish workers who was organizing a union in Swearengen's saloon, and in the most recent episode, another organizer was killed in the middle of the town's thoroughfare. Hearst could easily deal with his union problems more discreetly, but he chooses to do so in a way that steps on the toes of the camp's most powerful citizens.

As we've seen consistently in his actions, Hearst feels he needs no discretion and has not had much cause to use it in his pursuit of 'The Color'. He is shrewd, talented, and powerful but has had very little use for guile.

Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
In the fourth episode of the season, Hearst had meetings with Bullock and Alma, and later told his henchman, Captain Turner, that it was only with great restraint that he prevented himself from killing Bullock and raping Alma, despite the fact that neither act was in his interest. Hearst seems to be driven by an almost uncontrollable instinct to respond violently to any opposition to his will, despite the fact that he knows this violence will cause him more problems than a more measured solution. Even though he claims his only interest is in pulling the color out of the ground, he seems driven by an irrational compulsion to break everyone to his will, even when a lighter touch would be a better option all around.

A better option that is both unfamiliar and unavailable. My take is that his will has not been thwarted often in his career and he is unable to deal with it. His meltdowns have given me an insight that his relationship with Wolcott was more of a 'brothers in arms' type. Both men have a thin veneer of civility covring a brutish and violent nature.

Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
In the second episode, Hearst apparently decided to try to play by Al's rules, apparently responding to Al's suggestion that, with the insult of the killing in the saloon remedied, Al would not be opposed to Hearst's pursuit of his interests. Hearst responded by setting up an intentionally botched assasination attempt on Al, forewarning Al, and withdrawing the backup from the two killers who had shot the Cornishman. However, when Al returned to Hearst, placated and willing to play ball, but still intent on expressing his own unwillingness to be enslaved to another's interest, Hearst lost his temper and smashed Al's hand with a hammer, despite the considerable investment he'd made that very day in currying Al's favor. The guy's acts simply aren't rational.

I'd have to disagree with the take that Hearst is "playing by Al's rules". It was a violent, powerful, and dangerous display of an 'offering' that would have killed Al had he not the wits to recognize the clue and the talent to thwart the attempt. It was not a botched attempt but a cryptically telegraphed one. The two men were there not as backup but as witness and couriers of the message Al would deliver. Also Al was not willing to play ball in the manner Hearst wished. Hearst's pursuit of Alma's claim was clear, direct, and violent (Turner's sucker punch). Al's response was a sarcastic remark. That cost Al his finger.

Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
This week, Hearst tried to break Al to his will and demonstrate his dominance in the camp by pitting his thug, Captain Turner, against Al's loyal henchman Dan Dority. However, one of Al's gifts has always been to surround himself with the best talent, and Dority had alluded in season 2 to his debt to Al for plucking him from among the gangs of highwaymen and taking him into his tutelage. This week, Dority affirmed Al's eye for talent when he ripped Turner's eye out of his skull with his bare hands, and finished him off with a heavy chunk of wood.

I think you missed the fact that Dan would have been dead if not for that pause Cptn. Cu^+face observed to get clarified orders from Hearst. Even after that Dan was near death on the rocks and got lucky with that eye gouge. The scene with Dan alone was (amongst other things) a reflection on how close he'd come if not for luck. Hearst was indeed over confident, but he'd seen Turner go against many a 'Dan' in the past without a problem.

Originally Posted by ScandalUMD
Hearst has again paid heavily for his insistence on trying to break Al when there is no evident reason why it is necessary for him to do this to achieve his objectives in the camp, losing his most potent coercive asset as well as, it seems, his closest friend (if he is, in fact capable of empathy or compassion).

He's been repeated thwarted (by Al, Alma and Bullock) in his attempt at acquiring Alma's claim. He has not achieved his objective and has insisted on turning up the heat.

Overall I agree, sociopathic (his distaste for cities, people) and brutish which can overcome his natural intelligence and skill.

MrX 07-15-06 02:22 AM

"When I say fuck yourself Sheriff, will you put that down to drunkenness or a high estimate of your athleticism"rotfl

Liked the Dan/Captain fight but it has nothing on the gladiator scene from Rome last season.

TheGodfather 07-15-06 02:42 AM

I haven't rooted that hard in a fight since Rocky.

aktick 07-15-06 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by MrX
Liked the Dan/Captain fight but it has nothing on the gladiator scene from Rome last season.

I don't know, it's a close call for me. The Deadwood fight was so gritty, no real weapons involved. He pulled his damn eye out with his hand!!!

Rome's fight definitely had more blood, but Titus was cheating and used weapons. :p

Big Dave 07-15-06 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by TheGodfather
I haven't rooted that hard in a fight since Rocky.

Same way I felt, if they had let something happen to Dan I would have mighty pissed-off. Probably my favorite character on the series.


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