Big Love "Eviction" 4/23/06
 

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Seems like I've been looking more forward to this show than the Sopranos. It definitly keeps getting better every episode.

Albie is freakin' weird...

Great ep though!

What was the point of the whole Albie/gay dude scene?

BTW, since Mormons are a more 'behind the scenes' church...whats thier reaction to the show?

I think a great crossover episode would be Bill calling Tony Soprano and his crew to take care of the Roman situation.

Roman: "Son, you don't understand that I'm the one true prophet."

Paulie Walnuts: "You're gonna be one true dead fuck if you don't get your beak out of my friend's business."

My impression is that he was going to kill him. From the rope and duct tape in the trunk, plus that knife he pulled out. Maybe he chickened out. That or he was going have sex with him and.........He chickened out.

I'm trying to figure out what the "Mission" is that Roman sent him to do. I don't think he was supposed to break into Bill's office because Roman told him that from now on he would be handling the matter personally and that Albie was no longer to be involved.

I'll keep watching the show, but I'm starting to burn out on it a little bit. I lose patience quickly with shows that don't have any really likeable characters. Bill and Barb are wreckless for having their "affair". Hello, if you love your wife that much, don't marry 2 more women and go behind their backs. Nicky is just stupid and Margie isn't much better. Bill's other family is a bunch of losers too. Don't even get me started on Roman's brood.

I just don't know how they are going to clear up all of Bill's problems without some stupid plot twist that won't make any sense. If it becomes just about Bill trying to get out of the multiple holes he seems to be falling in, I don't want to watch that. I got enough problems in my own life.

I'm not sure how good a dramatic series would be if the characters had no problems or obstacles to overcome. :hscratch:

I was confused with that plot line as well. Roman tells Albie to go out of town for two days...didn't he pack the duct tape and knife then...and when he pulled up it seemed that him and the guy knew each other right? I guess if he'd made this trip without Roman directing him, then I would have though this is something he did on the regular, but I got thrown off.

I think Roman just sent him on a wild goose chase to get him out of Junipter Creek for a while.

I too was sure Albie was going to kill they guy to cleanse his soul or something like that. Same as how the LDS guys were trying to cleanse nikki.

I actually felt bad for her when Bill was having 'problems'.

I like how Bill's mom is stepping up now, and getting behind the plan to take down Roman.

The show has been reupped for season 2. It's a grower for sure.

I am loving this show. The whole Albie subplot was just weird. He's just an overall creepy character...very effective though.

Albie reminds me too much of Craig Kilborn. It was a good episode though.
Ben's friend definately seems gay.

Anyone else get the feeling that Ben and Margie are going to "hook-up"?

BTW, loving this show!

Do Mormans subscribe to HBO? ;)

That Albie motel scene was truly one of the most bizarre scenes I've ever seen in a tv or movie.

This show started off pretty slowly but it is definitely growing on me.

Yeah, at least that's what Paxton keeps claiming. :D

The stuff with Alby made no sense othr then to point out again how creepy he is.

They are going to have a lot of stuff to resolve before the season is over.

"These tires are advertised as $49.00, but by the time you get out of the store, they're never $49.00."

Yeah Im not sure about the whole Albie subplot, but I like it...I just wish they would really start fleshing out the characters a bit more. I have to say right now that I like Margene and Barb characters the best, and want to see some more "backstory" on both.

I watched my first episode of Big Love today. Heard some good things about it, decided to give it a try, and guess need some updates on this.

Who exactly is Albie?

Albie is Roman's son.

Nikki still needs a beating, damn. I think she's got Carm Soprano beat for biggest bitch on TV.

I've only missed one episode, the first one, and this show still confusses me to no end. Yet it's somehow one of the shows I look foward to the most in the week. I really need the DVD set, to bad it's going to be an HBO $70 release.

I think they smuggled in David Lynch as a guest writer. ;)

I think the Albie being gay subplot may turn out to be a way out for Bill. Roman has his balls in a vice grip with his brother as an agent of the real estate scam. If Bill were to find out that Albie were gay, he could blackmail Roman.

Note: Of course I don't think that being gay is wrong or something to be ashamed of, but a nutjob like Roman would certainly take issue with Albie being gay.

I think even the "nicest" of people on this show would have a problem with someone being gay.

Tina looks a whole lot better as this character than as Mac, but it's hard to notice anything else when she's standing next to Lily Kane.

I'm still enjoying this show very much. I've already tired of Grey's Anatomy and dropped it, but I consider this a must see every week.

I guess it must be a whole lot different in Utah, but 2 LDS kids came to my door back when I was in high school and if they had acted like that, my friends and I would have sent them right to see the angel Moroni.

That was exactly my thought.

It was nice to finally see Nikki be a bit human. There is a lot of teh gay in this episode, though. Ben needs to get back with his girlfriend and get away from the boner drivers.

This show really makes Mormons out to be brainwashed wierdos, though. Odd that the most normal and likeable people are the polygamists.

I'm sorry you live through this daily, groucho. :lol:

You do realize marrying Nickie was how Bill paid to keep Barb alive right? I think he just brought Margene into the fold to ease the tension between the other two. That plan seems to have failed though.


Yep thats the vibe I'm getting too.

This is really true. So far, we've seen four kinds of people on the show:

1. Horny/drunk high school students (normal, except maybe for the penis-driver)
2. Suburban polygamists (relatively normal)
3. Regular Mormons (weird)
4. Juniper Creek people (really weird)

I think Tina Majorino's character seems pretty normal/likeable and she is a Mormon.

First of all, I must say that my wife & I really look forward to seeing this show every week. The actors are excellent & IMO, I think they've put a lot of effort towards developing each one's personalities, etc. The expressions they give each other are superb. It's definitely one of the more interesting/captivating shows out right now, somewhat of a refreshing divergence from the usual mainstream crap.

I am a Mormon, although currently inactive, and I've never heard of the missionaries acting the way they did in the previous episode (i.e. making a note of the names of people who were "being difficult" & telling them that they were going to be banished from the celestial kingdom or something like that.) I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but that seemed extremely uncharacteristic of missionaries in my experience.

Because of that, I wasn't sure if they were actual LDS missionaries, or if they were impersonators hired by Roman to harrass Bill's family.

The show also interests me because of the LDS cultural references that they throw in throughout the show - I always chuckle whenever I hear them mention something like that.

I think the official church stance is that 1) they do not endorse polygamy whatsoever as it was banished from the church back in the late 1800s, 2) the show is for entertainment purposes only & isn't endorsed by the church, and people shouldn't watch this sort of banal sensationalistic fluff. (FYI, members are also discouraged from watching inappropriate movies as well, although it's not a commandment or anything like that.)

Out of curiosity, for those of you who think the show depicts Mormons as "weird" - what exactly makes them more "weird" than any other practicing Christian?

I don't think they've shown members of any other religion (at least not explicitly). But all the Mormons on this show seem to be excessively judgemental and nosey.

And they did show the magic underwear in BIll's office this episode.

She is weird. She will end up turning them in or something "for their own good." Even if she doesn't she is weird.

Moreso than Christianity, they seem to be big into personal revelation, current prophets, push to recruit, maintaining appearances, special underwear, and the like.

Whaaaaa?

Seriously though, please explain...Ive only known one Mormon in my life and yeah she was very nice but she did have that weird vibe going on.

Here you go: Wikipedia: Temple garment (Mormonism)

My take:

The missionaries were a bit abrasive and zealous, much more so than you might be used to seeing in “the real world” but you have to understand that this is Salt Lake City. The missionaries chosen to do their mission in SLC are the cream of the crop, similar to seminary students chosen to study at the Vatican. They would be the most zealous and fervent.

Additionally we are talking about the heart of Mormondom here. They may put on a happy face for the public but among their own they are much more intrusive into perceived impropriety. You’re talking about a city that has a majority of Mormons, including in every major public office and police, so they are much more involved in each other business.

Lastly, I think it was pretty clear that the missionaries suspected Niki was a polygamist, either from their first visit or a tip from the neighbors (or maybe even Roman). Mormons themselves are much more anti-polygamist than even law enforcement. They are very afraid of how Polygamy reflects on their own church.

Regarding Albie, I think Roman sent him on a mission that somehow related to Bill and his family. As soon as I saw the bag my first thought was “rape kit” or “kidnap kit”. So I think next episode we will see something major against Bill. Roman told Albie to rest up and sleep that night because he had work to do the next day. Since that “next day” hasn’t happened yet (he broke into the office that night) I suspect the mission will be revealed next week.

As far as the whole “Gay” subplot goes I think the meet was completely random. The dude was obviously a gay prostitute. Albie was clearly staring at him with interest. The dude was surely used to dealing with men who were hesitant or embarrassed about approaching a prostitute, especially in a religiously strict town like SLC. When Albie didn’t immediately tell him no, he knew he had a fish on the line. Once Albie got him back to the room he short circuited. Albie is obviously gay, but his ultra strict religious background directly contradicts that. I thought it was very well done and an extremely believable reaction considering.

Salt Lake City is actually the least Mormon part of Utah. "Only" 50% of the residents are LDS (low for Utah). And I've never encounter missionaries of that variety.

The most plausible explanation so far.

I don't know. She's just seems awkward and lacking in smooth social skills.