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Breakfast with Girls 02-09-06 01:03 AM

I think the radio station started off with the call letters WXO. WXOD is an oldies station in New Hampshire.

Groucho 02-09-06 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by JumpCutz
I knda of like that idea and it could be a better resolution that the writers will come up with, It's just a plane crash, people halluccinate and finely die.

This theory has been around since the beginning of the series, and the creators of the show have discounted it.

johnglass 02-09-06 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by aktick
That would make sense. That little hobbit wouldn't be able to grab Sun and take her like that, would he?


Well Charlie does say near the end, "Sun can never find out what I did to her. Never".

Michael Corvin 02-09-06 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by maingon
damm this show got really good again, loved tonights episode and cant wait till next weeks show. everything was perfect in tonights show didnt expect any of it. tonights episode was as good as anything in the first season i thought.

I agree. The backstory wasn't fresh, but it was interesting, much more so than some of the other retreads.

Great episode.

"there's a new sheriff in town, boys" -ohbfrank- Saw that coming a mile away. Compete with the "boys" part.

Another couple mentions about TIME. Seems to be where the show is headed. The main plot makes you think one thing(red herring), but the little clues about time are very interesting.

ylomnstr 02-09-06 07:34 AM

I think Jin is going to start becoming a bigger character in this story. Remember his mafia roots. He could turn into a badass and start knocking some heads around for what happened to his wife.

maxfisher 02-09-06 07:55 AM

I've been watching Lost with the same group of friends since the first episode and we unanimously agreed that last night's episode was the worst of the series so far. To 'embarrass' Locke, Charlie agrees to kidnap and hurt Sun? This felt so forced it was absurd.

As far as Sawyer turning back to being the bad guy, I'd have no problem if this had been handled in any kind of believable way. As it stands, his little 'you took my stuff!' was so out of the blue and ridiculous that it was laugh inducing. His 'con' to get the guns depended on way too many coincidences and the whole 'convince Kate it was Ana Lucia' angle was completely unnecessary to what he was doing. How he's going to keep Locke, Sayid or Kate from tracking him to where he hid the guns is beyond me. The dialogue, especially 'There's a new cowboy in town' was cringe-worthy. The only part of the episode that was ok was the Hurley & Sayid bit.

Overall, if this type of nonsense is how they're going to drag it out, I'd just as soon they wrap things up and end it this season.

aktick 02-09-06 07:58 AM

There are way too many brains/braun in that camp to let Sawyer be in charge for long. Jin, Locke, Sayid, Jack, Ana, Eko...I just can't see Sawyer having too much control for a long time.

So is it safe to assume Sawyer doesn't think much of forming an army? Can't say I blame him there.

But really, get Sawyer when he's sleeping, tie him up, and let Sayid have his way - everybody has a breaking point.

We don't know if Charlie knows where the guns are, do we?

vegasbaby 02-09-06 08:04 AM

Nice to see Lucie Arnaz starting to get some work again.

She had good chemistry with Sawyer.

aktick 02-09-06 08:08 AM

From the previews for next week,
Spoiler:
Sayid is shown talking to Danielle, and he has her rifle on his back. Plus we see Sayid torturing that guy they found...and the guy has an arrow sticking through his shoulder. Seems maybe Sayid's mourning is over, and he's ready to kick some ass. Ok by me :thumbsup:.

charlesp138 02-09-06 08:11 AM

Finally a GREAT episode.

Anyone else think it's possible that the con is still on? Maybe Sawyer is setting up Charlie?

Superman07 02-09-06 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by charlesp138
Finally a GREAT episode.

Anyone else think it's possible that the con is still on? Maybe Sawyer is setting up Charlie?

Oh you know he's gonna drop him hard by letting that news out. Then we're going to be treated to "But, but I was trying to save us. It wasn't my idea, it was Sa..." BAM Smack down by Locke, who gets knocked down by Jin on his was to Charlie's ass.

Oh, and whoever said Charlie was stupid for doing this I agree, but he did not agree to hurt Sun. She knocked herself out running away with a bag over her head. Probably won't matter in the end, but there is a distinction to be made there.

I thought it was great episode! So much better than the last one. However, can somebody answer what was asked before re: the bag on the chair with the money and the empty car. Was he playing here again or did he do it to save her because he really did care about her?

boogieman03 02-09-06 08:29 AM

I really liked last night's episode. I agree that Sawyer's con was a bit complicated, but I liked it and liked where it's taking the show. We needed some drama to make this a bit more interesting. I was also happy to see Locke get punked. I've been disliking him more and more each episode.

I find it funny that Jack is the only one that still acts like he can't understand Jin. Everybody else seems to act like they understand him just fine.

Is it bad that I forgot where Michael was? It wasn't until one of the Locke mentioned it that I remembered he was still out looking for Walt.

I'm glad we got to see some Sayid this episode. Loved Hurley's line about "when are we". I still think that's just a poke at us from the writers.

Previews for next week look like alot of fun.

CPA-ESQ. 02-09-06 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Superman07
However, can somebody answer what was asked before re: the bag on the chair with the money and the empty car. Was he playing here again or did he do it to save her because he really did care about her?

He ripped her off. He changed his mind about his feelings and put the $ first.

He switched the $. by either giving her a bag with the fake $ in it (bills on top and newspaper in between), or by switching the bag (Who the hell has 2 of the exact same bags sitting around)

Charlie Goose 02-09-06 08:43 AM

Speaking of the Glenn Miller music, Miller himself was lost at sea during a plane ride in the 1940s.

RickerOne 02-09-06 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by boogieman03
I'm glad we got to see some Sayid this episode. Loved Hurley's line about "when are we". I still think that's just a poke at us from the writers.

Holds to my theory that they are using Hurley as a portrayal of the 'stereotypical internet fanboy' and using him to release all the Lost fans' wacky theories.

treszoks 02-09-06 09:11 AM

I really liked this episode and thought it was back on par with the rest of the series after last week's filler. I assumed it wasn't an other who tried to take Sun but I wasn't for sure who in the camp was the one to do it. Charlie was a big surprise but I can see why he would want to get back at Locke. Eventually this will come out of course and then he will be pushed even farther away from the group and join up with the others possibly.

Joeboo835 02-09-06 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by CPA-ESQ.
He ripped her off. He changed his mind about his feelings and put the $ first.

He switched the $. by either giving her a bag with the fake $ in it (bills on top and newspaper in between), or by switching the bag (Who the hell has 2 of the exact same bags sitting around)

he brought the bags, the money was in a suitcase.

Groucho 02-09-06 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Charlie Goose
Speaking of the Glenn Miller music, Miller himself was lost at sea during a plane ride in the 1940s.

Speaking of missing people, everybody's been harping on the plot of "An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge" but nobody's mentioned that the author, Ambrose Bierce, disappeared in Mexico in the early 20th century.

Do I smell an upcoming Michael Parks cameo? ;)

Snowmaker 02-09-06 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by aktick
Yep. It's a short story, basically about a Southern man who is about to be hanged by Union soldiers, and in the seconds before it happens, he imagines the noose breaking and that he's racing to freedom. But it ends with the guy hanging their with a broken neck.-.

Why have I seen that short before?

Chew 02-09-06 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
Why have I seen that short before?

The last episode of the original Twilight Zone

DVD Josh 02-09-06 09:32 AM

Here's something interesting:

I've mentioned before that I think this show is about TIME. Hurley's comment made me think more about it. The producers have said the show isn't about purgatory. But that does NOT mean it's not about Limbo.

I looked up Limbo and found some interesting definitions:

As to space-time:
oblivion: the state of being disregarded or forgotten

As to the Losties:

an imaginary place for lost or neglected things

As to Aaron's baptism:

(theology) in Roman Catholicism, the place of unbaptized but innocent or righteous souls (such as infants and virtuous individuals)

So that's my personal theory as to what's going on. I'd be interested to hear some feedback!

Groucho 02-09-06 09:40 AM

The creators have said that the characters aren't dead, which rules out purgatory, limbo, etc.

DVD Josh 02-09-06 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
The creators have said that the characters aren't dead, which rules out purgatory, limbo, etc.

I mentioned that about purgatory. But it does NOT rule out limbo. Limbo does not require death.

Snowmaker 02-09-06 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
The last episode of the original Twilight Zone

No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.

boogieman03 02-09-06 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
The creators have said that the characters aren't dead, which rules out purgatory, limbo, etc.

Can we trust the creators? I could of sworn they've told us things before and then renegged.

Groucho 02-09-06 09:52 AM

Yes, they told us that everything has a "scientific explanation" early in the first season. Of course, that turned out to be bunk.

Snowmaker 02-09-06 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by greydt
Kim Dickens.
Deadwood

That's what she's from. Thanks!

Pointyskull 02-09-06 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
Yes, they told us that everything has a "scientific explanation" early in the first season. Of course, that turned out to be bunk.

A loose coverall of scientific explanation could still apply to most of the key elements of the main story: ranging from nanotechnology to electromagnetism to paranormal activity to mind control to chaos theory to chance.

Whether it falls more into the realm of "sci-fi" versus hard, quantifiable science remains to be seen.

aktick 02-09-06 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by boogieman03
Can we trust the creators? I could of sworn they've told us things before and then renegged.

Just last week, the bastards released an apparently fake picture of somebody other than Charlie taking Sun :grunt:.

Palaver 02-09-06 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
Yes, they told us that everything has a "scientific explanation" early in the first season. Of course, that turned out to be bunk.

How has that turned out to be bunk? Most things that seem to be improbable can be explained by hallucinations by a select few: Jack seeing his father, Shannon seeing Walt, etc. Even the "monster" appears to be some sort of nano-technology. That might stretch into more of a science fiction explanation, but it stays in the realm of something that can actually happen in the real world. Aside from the monster, I have yet to see anything that could not be explained by coincidence and hallucinations.

Of course, I may be forgetting something.

Groucho 02-09-06 10:11 AM

Walt's psychic abilities, for one.

dom56 02-09-06 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.

Yeah I remember seeing that in high school while we were learning about the Civil War I think there about two or three small clip and I pretty sure that 'Owl Bridge' was the last one. You think this maybe have to do with Charlie since he was the only one I know that was hanged.

Michael Corvin 02-09-06 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Here's something interesting:

I've mentioned before that I think this show is about TIME. Hurley's comment made me think more about it. The producers have said the show isn't about purgatory. But that does NOT mean it's not about Limbo.

I looked up Limbo and found some interesting definitions:

As to space-time:
oblivion: the state of being disregarded or forgotten

As to the Losties:

an imaginary place for lost or neglected things

As to Aaron's baptism:

(theology) in Roman Catholicism, the place of unbaptized but innocent or righteous souls (such as infants and virtuous individuals)

So that's my personal theory as to what's going on. I'd be interested to hear some feedback!

Limbo & purgatory are two very different ideas. Most assume they are the same, but they are quite different. I mentioned a couple weeks back that Eko's belief that Aaron needed to be baptized to get to heaven was indeed a very real belief prior to 1965 in the Roman Catholic faith. The purpose was to avoid limbo. So if they are already in limbo can a soul baptize another soul in limbo? If so, would they not then be allowed into heaven?

Since so many people believe they are the same thing I doubt producers would vehemently deny purgatory when it is about limbo. That would just piss everyone off that doesn't know the difference. I doubt it is limbo. It also seems too religious for a mainstream audience.

One other clue is Eko's backstory. He grew up around the church, and was more than likely baptized. Which would mean he would end up in purgatory, not limbo.

majorjoe23 02-09-06 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Snowmaker
No, that's not it.

I think I saw it in school years ago for some reason. It was only 5-10 minutes long.

Was it a black and white film? Chances are that is probably what you saw. It may not have been labeled as the Twilight Zone, because it was an Oscar-winning short film first. It was about 40 minutes long.

Bronkster 02-09-06 10:38 AM

A detail I may have wrong: When Hurley brought the radio to Sayid, he said that it's the one that picked up Boone's transmission... Was Locke close enough to hear Boone when he had the radio concersation? Boone obviously was in no condition to discuss it after the plane fell, but if Locke heard Boone then he may have shared that with the group, and then when the Tailies joined they swapped stories and put the facts together? Is that reaching or did I miss a step?

Jim 02-09-06 10:39 AM

If the writers read these threads, I predict in a month or two that Hurley will be setting up a limbo contest on the beach.

Pointyskull 02-09-06 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bronkster
A detail I may have wrong: When Hurley brought the radio to Sayid, he said that it's the one that picked up Boone's transmission... Was Locke close enough to hear Boone when he had the radio concersation? Boone obviously was in no condition to discuss it after the plane fell, but if Locke heard Boone then he may have shared that with the group, and then when the Tailies joined they swapped stories and put the facts together? Is that reaching or did I miss a step?

I assumed Hurley learned about the "Boone transmission" from Bernard, because that's where he (Hurley) got the radio from.

pinata242 02-09-06 10:42 AM

Did anyone else find it very forced that AL was confused between Scott and Steve? That was unnecessary since she's never met the one that died.

Snowmaker 02-09-06 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by majorjoe23
Was it a black and white film? Chances are that is probably what you saw. It may not have been labeled as the Twilight Zone, because it was an Oscar-winning short film first. It was about 40 minutes long.

I don't remember if it was color or B&W, but I sure as hell don't think it was that long.

The rope broke, he runs ..... can't remember much else.

Palaver 02-09-06 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Groucho
Walt's psychic abilities, for one.

These can very easily be attributed to coincidence. I haven't seen anything that Walt has done "psychically" that would have been entirely impossible in the real world. If Walt levitated an airplane with his mind that would be one thing. But reading a comic book with a polar bear before seeing one in real life is just coincidence... imho.


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