Well, that was pointless. It just seems like they killed off Johnathan for the hell of it. After watching that for an hour, I'd rather Lana were dead and the silly drama between the two of them over.

And Pete couldn't come back for the funeral at least!!!

Welcome to the team. ;)

I have to give it to the actors for delivering some great performances in the face of a complete turd. If the show weren't so damned predictable, it may have had some effect, but every major episode is the same, and after 100 of these freakin' things, hardly anyone has grown or changed on any significant level. I swear, you could walk away from the show for 2 years and not miss a thing. What a waste of a great character. Instead of using his death to grow the series, it turns out to be a cheap publicity stunt. While a little overboard on the snow thing, at least the graveyard scene was nice. Great performances from Welling and O'Toole.

das

People were sad when they thought Lana was going to die, but they're now furious about Pa Kent being killed off?

I thought it seemed appropriate since it wouldn't fit for the Kents to get this involved in politics and Pa Kent had already been in too much debt to Jor-El.

Waste of celluloid (or is this show shot on high def?) as far as I'm concerned. Both deaths lacked any real impact. Lana's death was silly. She survives a helicopter crash (from which she only got a brief limp and some gashes) but a car crash kills her? It's kind of like how Kate Beckinsale died in Van Helsing. She endures ridiculous amounts of punishment throughout the whole film (of which her only injury is a split lip) but getting sacked by a werewolf does her in. And Pa Kent's death was silly in the same way. How many times have FOTW knocked him around? And a brief tussle with Lionel does him in? -ohbfrank-

That said, I did enjoy the brief homage to Groundhog Day between Clark and Chloe. :)

The first song was horrible but that last one was great.

I was wondering about that too.

Well that is possible. But how was it to throw us off if it showed Jonathan dead? And, asuming it was a cut scene, why would Clark take him to the Fortress? To argue with Jor-El perhaps?

That said, it's obvious Clark doesn't really care about dad. I say this because if it were Lana showing signs of a heart attack, he would have taken her at super speed to the hospital. When it was Pa, he just did the cliched bawl your eyes out and do nothing useful routine.

With regards to pics of Pa in the Fortress. The producers supposedly filmed and released pics of scenes that weren't real to throw off speculation about how or if he dies.

:mad:;)

And, I was wondering why there were so many bizarre things going on at the Planet...

Well, i've had so time to process and...not much has changed. All of the relief and exhilaration that I felt up until Lana died was quickly shot to hell once the Smallville Reset™ was hit and Paw keeled over. I'm sure no one noticed that Lionel was in the barn either...

While I didn't mind the cemetery sequence, i'm glad Lana wasn't the one to die since that opens up so many opportunities for Clark & Lana to spend the rest of the season looking longingly at each other. Now THAT'S drama, my friends. -ohbfrank-

Episode should have ended after the first 30 minutes.

This episode prooves that Superman is a dick. In fact, if they could, that website should use this episode as further proof. Clark decides to save Lana out of selfishness, and in that displays terrible judgment and completely ignores Jor El's warning that somebody else WILL DIE. Who did he think it was going to be? PETE????? Now his life is f'ed in the a, but I guess that is the way they want him to become Superman. I say that's a piss poor excuse, the Kents were alive and well in the Superman animated series and that worked wonderfully well.

So why did Pa Kent really die? Did Schneider want out of this series and not renew his contract?

I also agree that there was NO FREAKING REASON that Clark couldn't have revealed his secret to Lana after he saved her. So what she was with Lex? Who CARES??? He's a dick and a wimp.

Good ep, time travel thing sucked, but it's always sucked, it sucked in the movie. They always keep true to the Donner movie mythos rather than the current comic mythos, and in that, time travel ruins good stories and Pa dies.

Great ending, though.

And yeah, Clark should've told Lana next, and then we should have seen what was on Lionel's pic. But they have to save something for the next two years...

Lex will not get the seat
Ma Kent should get the Senate Chair now, that is kind of why I thought they may have shown Lionel behind her briefly at the funeral...now she has inherited the debt and the problem of whatever is in that picture
That could make for some interesting stor(ies) for a bit...

^Co-sign

I liked the episode, though I am pissed they killed anybody, that shit ain't right, oh well thats like.

The end was killing me, man I had to hold back some tears, especially when Lana held Clarks hand then let go, damn, I feel like a 9 year old girl that just fell off her bike and skinned her knee.....anybody want to cuddle with me???

Wow. Terrible episode, considering the build up and the importance of the events that transpired. The whole thing felt rushed, for one. The whole beginning "everything is beautiful" half hour was just to silly to be believed. Clark revealing his secret to Lana AND proposing AND Pa Kent winning the election in the course of 20 minutes was so off the mark you just knew it wasn't going to be "real".

To have any impact they should've made this a 2-hour episode or a two-parter, at least. They should've built up to Clark revealing his secret, the win, etc., then ended the episode with Lana 'dying'. Then part two is Clark demainding a re-do, then the replay of everything. It cheapened Jonathan's death to force it all into this. Just because it's the 100th? Who gives a crap?

And worst of all, the events don't even make sense. On the redo Clark is so worried about Lana going back to that road because Lex runs her off the road. Why didn't he just go to Lex's mansion and knock him the **** out for the night? He could've did everything else the exact same. Lex would've never called Lana that night, they'd still be together. Granted, his dad would still be dead, but he didn't know that. Besides, if Jonathan was fated to have a heart attack from a minor scrap it probably would have happened one way or another. But I guess that may depend on whether you read Jor-el's message as a threat or a prophecy.

I love how Clark knows there's a good chance that somebody's going to die and yet he just stays by Lois's side. Then at the end when Jonathan falls, Clark doesn't do anything.

I also hated the Groundhog Day moments. I loved those type of things on Tru Calling, but they were horrible here, especially since they were mainly there for Clark to prove it to Chloe. Hell, he could've used x-ray vision for the flowers and super hearing for the firing and uh... maybe super speed for the call. Super speed works in every situation.

This episode especially needs to be followed up next week, not some 2 weeks later FotW episode. If they had treated this as the first of a two parter and dug more into the issues and feelings following Jonathan's death, I might forgive the show. But as it looks from the spoilers, that won't be the case. -ohbfrank-

Nice line by Chloe as an homage to the Donner film.

I stopped watching "Smallville" when it competed with "Lost".

Now I know that I chose wisely. Why, oh why did I start watching again? What a crappy episode. Only the last few scenes were any good - Jonathan's death and the funeral. Good choice of Peter Gabriel's "I Grieve" for the close. But that's it, really.

What a waste.

yes, it should have.

And I absolutely love Kristen Kreuk and hated the idea of Lana being killed. But that 1st half would've been perfect catalyst for the future of this series.

I knew they were gonna do some crazy shit with this episode when so much happened before the opening credits. The time travel was BS but I knew who was really going to die.

Even with knowing who was going to die for weeks I still wasn't prepared for it. There are very few shows I watch on TV but I really get into those I do watch regularly.

I am disappointed in this episode. Unbelievably disappointed.

I should have felt something. I really wanted to feel something..but because of the way they did this episode...I felt nothing when Lana or Pa Kent died. It seems like a shame, as if there was any time to truly get me emotionally involved this would have been it, but it was all too scripted and it was obvious how things would play out, especially after the time travel thing.


Ma Kent definitely did an excellent job acting.

Mark me down for the following:

1. The episode was too rushed and should have been a 2-parter;
2. Clark still should've told Lana at the end; and,
3. Tom Welling should be playing Superman in "Superman Returns"

The problem is that they cheapen Lana's death so much with the second chances plot device that Jonathan's death has no impact.

Well I could type what I feel but everybody's already hit the nail on the head.

Liked the episode until they pulled the "time reverse" trick. The funeral scene was extremely sad IMO.

I've learned though not to get my hopes too high for Smallville "surprises".

No, I have to read them afterwards. That's the problem. It's like a bunch of kids gossiping.

So we get Clark proposing and again they hit the reset button with Lana and Clark. Oh Brother.
Sad to see Jonathon go.
Terrence Stamp was in the credits so did I miss a scene?

John Scheneider didn't have a choice. In an interview with Gough he said they decided on the characters demise and informed the actor.

For awhile there I thought I was watching a new episode of Tru Calling. It was funny how Clark knew that his dad was going to win but that fact did not even seem to interest him the second time around.

When Jonathan collapsed, why did Clark just sit there like a bump on a log? Wouldn't he at least have whisked him to the hospital to see if they could jump-start his heart? He could have been there in like 1 second.

I was surprised he seemed so resigned to do nothing, after negotiating so hard for Lana's life.

How come Lex did not have a party on election night with his supporters? Were they all arrested last week? I thought it was weird he was just at home by himself. I would think he'd at least have a gathering among his campaign workers.

Lana finding out Clark's secret seemed like a big letdown, even before they hit the reset button.