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meritocracy 01-26-06 08:08 PM

Of course Pa Kent was going to be the one. All the bullshit mentioned here notwithstanding, was anyone here seriously fooled by the inevitable reversal? I mean come on people, they brought in Tom Wopat for a Dukes Of Hazard reunion episode. If that wasn't a telling enough indicator that this would be Schneider's last year, I don't know what the hell was.

chrisih8u 01-26-06 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by Barry Woodward
I was hoping that after his father's death he'd decide to tell Lana the truth again. That would have saved the episode for me.

I guess he wont as it stands now because of what happened with Lex.

And what happened to Lois the 2nd time around? and why?

Rogue588 01-26-06 08:12 PM

She fell while trying to reach the junk food since Lana wasn't around to catch her...maybe?

Ayre 01-26-06 08:12 PM

All right McFly
First the how then the why.

I liked the final scene as well, but the CGI snow was distracting. Especially after I noticed it wasn't landing on his coat. Nothing was added to the snow that had fallen.

Honestly, It was what was expected. Smallville bends the mythos, but isn't foolish enough to break it. We have seen the potential of Smallville. We know what to expect.

chrisih8u 01-26-06 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
She fell while trying to reach the junk food since Lana wasn't around to catch her...maybe?

Ah, good thinking.

:brickwl:

sq240 01-26-06 08:16 PM

Man, I think the writers really dropped the ball on this one. Every character on the show could have taken a huge step forward in the character development area with the death of Lana. I agree that nothing is accomplished with the death of Johnathan. This is just my opinion, but it seems clear to me over the course of the last two seasons that the writers are using Lana as the catalyst for Lex's turn to evil, but that could easily have been accomplished using Johnathan. Now we are stuck with more of this Clark/Lana bullshit and the show has lost the great confrontations between Johnathan/Lionel and more potential interaction between Jor El and Johnathan.

Yeah, the time reversal was pretty lame, but I think it was done pretty well. I figured it would happen because all of the random shit that was going on at the Daily Planet that seemed to serve no purpose. I think it was really well done with the Lois/cookies thing, Johnathan appearing at Lana's wreck and then Lana looking at Johnathan driving by.

Next week's episode looks a little lame. I was hoping Smallville would avoid the "revenge" episode often explored in TV after a huge loss, but apparently not.

Does anyone know the name of the song and the artist who sang the opening song when Lana was in the barn?

Barry Woodward 01-26-06 08:18 PM


I guess he wont as it stands now because of what happened with Lex.
Unfortunately but that was my hope intially after the rewind. I knew from spoilers that Johnathan would die the second time but didn't know how the whole episode would play out. I thought the writers would subvert everyone's expectations and have them end up together the second time as well.

ShallowHal 01-26-06 08:19 PM

Wow. So much for spoiler code, huh?

Superman07 01-26-06 08:20 PM

First song - "You're Beautiful" by James Blunt
Last song - "I Grieve" by Peter Gabriel

Adam Tyner 01-26-06 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by ShallowHal
Wow. So much for spoiler code, huh?

I think the rule is that if the episode's aired, it's fair game. Makes sense to me since it's a discussion thread, after all.

Ayre 01-26-06 08:21 PM

Too slow ;-P

LivingINClip 01-26-06 08:23 PM

Why use spoilers for an aired episode? Bah.

I think it accomplished nothing. If they wanted to kill Jon they could of done it while progressin' Lana's character still. If nothing else, have Jonathan die while Clark is goofing off being a lover boy in the FoS with Lana. This would of made Clark feel like he let his guard down and let his father die. They could of done so much, instead of goin' back to the ole' time reversal crap.

Michael Ballack 01-26-06 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by ShallowHal
Wow. So much for spoiler code, huh?

Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's dad and Bruce Willis is dead in The Sixth Sense.

TOLEN 01-26-06 08:24 PM

Lame...Great acting and filmed well. But, an F for story. First of all...no surprise who dies. They have been airing scenes of Lana's car crash for the last week or so. So you knew it wouldn't last. They took the easy way out by killing Jonathan. The Lana character has to go for the story to move on. One of the best things changed in the Superman comics in his 80's retcon is that Jonathan is still alive. He gives Clark a base to go back to when life as the most powerful person in the world becomes too much.

Barry Woodward 01-26-06 08:27 PM

Rosebud was Kane's childhood sled.
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
"To Serve Man" is a COOK BOOK!
Edward Norton is Tyler Durden!

LivingINClip 01-26-06 08:30 PM


Lame...Great acting and filmed well. But, an F for story. First of all...no surprise who dies. They have been airing scenes of Lana's car crash for the last week or so. So you knew it wouldn't last. They took the easy way out by killing Jonathan. The Lana character has to go for the story to move on. One of the best things changed in the Superman comics in his 80's retcon is that Jonathan is still alive. He gives Clark a base to go back to when life as the most powerful person in the world becomes too much.
I agree. If nothing else, I think he still remained the voice of reason a lot of times. I am not sure the Martha Kent character will be enough to keep Clark's home life interesting.

Only things of interest from this episode.

Now that Jonathan is dead - does Lex get the state senate? What happens there?

Lana and Lex are closer - will they be together?

What does Lionel know? The ship or the Kal-El secert?

Looks like next week is back to filler 'freak of the week, 'cept in Metropolis' non-sense. Oh with the added bonus of being a revenge episode. Gee, how original.

TheBigDave 01-26-06 08:30 PM

I hate it when I finish watching a TV show and feel like I've been ripped-off.

I'm getting tired of these Smallville twists where someone finds out about Clark's powers, and then there's some whammy like amnesia or a time warp and everything's back to normal. And I absolutely hate that they advertise these revelations as though "this is the episode that changes everything".

Rogue588 01-26-06 08:30 PM

Well, I will say this...the first half of this episode cemented my belief that Tom should've been Superman in "Superman Returns".

raven56706 01-26-06 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
Well, I will say this...the first half of this episode cemented my belief that Tom should've been Superman in "Superman Returns".



thank you very much......:)

raven56706 01-26-06 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by krblgc
This is actually a nice episode. One that setup a lot of things pertaining to the first superman movies:

1. Dad Kent died from a heart attack. This is inevitable i guess. Great setup though and further mystified what the deal was with Lionel.
2. Lana and Clark really did not end up with each other
3. Clark's anger towards Lex grows even more when he saw lex and lana together.
4. Clark saving Lois' life may setup that romance angle in the future part of the series.
5. Clark remember the tip given by Chloe to do the spin on earth's rotation to save Lois' life in the future.

any other.....

krblgc

you said it best..

Not to mention the anger he has for Lex for being the reason for his fathers death. He would have not had to use his get out of death card for lana if it wasnt for the chase scene......

.. this is what begins his whole journey......

Terrell 01-26-06 08:38 PM


Oh man, those last scenes were heartbreaking. Martha's eyes expressing so much pain and anguish from Jonathan's early demise was just killing me. The graveyard scenes, touched off with Peter Gabriel singing in the background was just as haunting a funeral scenes as I've seen on TV in a long time.
Agreed, and not just in terms of his size or look. He has improved so much as an actor since that first season. He's no Laurence Olivier or Russell Crowe by a long shot, but he's pretty dang good, especially in this role.

LivingINClip 01-26-06 08:40 PM

I will agree with that much. His acting has got a lot better and he does have the look down now.

TOLEN 01-26-06 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
Well, I will say this...the first half of this episode cemented my belief that Tom should've been Superman in "Superman Returns".


Without a doubt!

candyrocket786 01-26-06 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
Well, I will say this...the first half of this episode cemented my belief that Tom should've been Superman in "Superman Returns".


Hell yes!

Michael Ballack 01-26-06 09:00 PM

Another vote for Tom Welling, too bad it's not going to help. Except for the Marlon Brando voice over and John Williams music in the trailer, I"m not impressed at all with what I've seen and heard of the new super man flick.


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