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Old 09-07-05, 06:10 PM
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"Evolution Schmevolution: A Daily Show Special Report" 9/12-9/15

NEW YORK, Sept. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- Science vs. Religion. Evolution vs.
Creation. It is an age-old battle whose time has come. "The Daily Show with
Jon Stewart" will gather together all the experts (or at least those who will
talk to them), travel to the places that matter in the debate (basic cable
budget permitting) and ultimately settle the controversy once and for all.
"Evolution Schmevolution: A Daily Show Special Report" will premiere on
Monday, September 12 and air nightly at 11:00 p.m. through September 15.
For one full week, "The Daily Show" goes in-depth, around, through and
quite possibly under, one of the hottest hot-button issues facing our nation:
evolution. It's the accepted theory on the origin of life by an overwhelming
majority of the world's biologists, but maybe they're all wrong. What's so
great about the scientific method anyway? "Evolution Schmevolution" will
explore:

* What other theories are out there?

* Who's on the frontlines of this debate?

* Should your child's curriculum really be decided by experts in their
respective fields?

P.S. -- You're next gravity.
This is going to be good
Old 09-07-05, 07:11 PM
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It's the accepted theory on the origin of life by an overwhelming
majority of the world's biologists....
Hopefully they will tell us how it explains the origin of life.
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Thanks for the heads up. Should be fun.
Old 09-07-05, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Hopefully they will tell us how it explains the origin of life.
It's the origin of species, not the origin of life.

This should be great.
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I assume they will have the spaghetti monster creator
Old 09-08-05, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by j123vt_99
I assume they will have the spaghetti monster creator
Considering they've got five episodes to fill, I wouldn't be surprised.

Edit: ...and by five, I mean three...
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And by three, do you mean four?

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Considering they've got X number of episodes to fill, I wouldn't be surprised.

I wouldn't be surprised.
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Wednesday is the panel

Monday is the only night the guest is related to the topic, unless Gwyneth Paltrow is going to give her opinion on the subject as she is Thursday nights guest
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Originally Posted by Jason
It's the origin of species, not the origin of life.

This should be great.

I'm only going by their own press release.
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Originally Posted by MrX
Wednesday is the panel

Monday is the only night the guest is related to the topic, unless Gwyneth Paltrow is going to give her opinion on the subject as she is Thursday nights guest

but why would a celebrity give their opinion on a topic they don't really understand?
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I don't expect them to handle it in a balanced way... but I hope that as long as they talk to some knowledgeable/intelligent people on the ID side, that it will at least be interesting.

The thing thats interesting is this is typically said to be an evolution vs. creation debate or an evolution vs ID debate -- yet neither creation nor ID actually dismiss evolution outright -- only that part that suggests that randomness produced the origin of life (and species, for that matter) and challenge it.

ID pretty much exists because (in the proponent's minds), evolution has adopted the secular humanist philosophy.

Michael Behe (kinda the guy who got the ID ball rolling) actually believes in common descent.
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To me, there seems to be even more evidence of Unintelligent Design as there is of Intelligent Design.
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Originally Posted by DodgingCars
I don't expect them to handle it in a balanced way... but I hope that as long as they talk to some knowledgeable/intelligent people on the ID side, that it will at least be interesting.

The thing thats interesting is this is typically said to be an evolution vs. creation debate or an evolution vs ID debate -- yet neither creation nor ID actually dismiss evolution outright -- only that part that suggests that randomness produced the origin of life (and species, for that matter) and challenge it.

ID pretty much exists because (in the proponent's minds), evolution has adopted the secular humanist philosophy.

Michael Behe (kinda the guy who got the ID ball rolling) actually believes in common descent.
EXACTLY!

Evolution vs. Intelligent Design is not a vs. at all, as I understand, ID is trying to explain what lead to evolution.

As Bill Bryson pionted out in 'A short history of nearly everything', the concept that complex protiens just formed themselves by accident is next to impossible.
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Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
EXACTLY!

Evolution vs. Intelligent Design is not a vs. at all, as I understand, ID is trying to explain what lead to evolution.

As Bill Bryson pionted out in 'A short history of nearly everything', the concept that complex protiens just formed themselves by accident is next to impossible.
The problem lies when they try to just push ID as the answer for anything that science hasn't explained yet. Just because we don't have the answers for something does not mean that we someday won't.

The lack of a current scientific explanation of something does not prove or even infer the presence of the divine hand of god.
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The problem lies when they try to just push ID as the answer for anything that science hasn't explained yet. Just because we don't have the answers for something does not mean that we someday won't.

The lack of a current scientific explanation of something does not prove or even infer the presence of the divine hand of god.
BUT, it is as plausable a theory as anything that exists now, as long as it is presented as an option, Im fine with it.

My problem is with those who claim that science has proven that there was no ID, which is the furthest thing from the truth
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Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
As Bill Bryson pionted out in 'A short history of nearly everything', the concept that complex protiens just formed themselves by accident is next to impossible.
Yes, but the chances of a primitive RNA, that evolved into complex macromolecules like proteins, forming in the "primordial soup" is quite high.

Proteins don't reproduce themselves so it doesn't make sense for them to come first whether by evolution or design.
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Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
BUT, it is as plausable a theory as anything that exists now, as long as it is presented as an option, Im fine with it.

My problem is with those who claim that science has proven that there was no ID, which is the furthest thing from the truth
If someone says that (s)he is not a scientist. ID cannot be "disproved." It is not falsifiable. That is why (or at least one of the reasons why) it is not a scientific theory.
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I hope they bring up the idea that creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive.
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Originally Posted by MrX
Yes, but the chances of a primitive RNA, that evolved into complex macromolecules like proteins, forming in the "primordial soup" is quite high.

Proteins don't reproduce themselves so it doesn't make sense for them to come first whether by evolution or design.

If there were a primordial soup of any significant size, we would find evidence for it. The first life that we find should have a carbonaceous material under it from the "soup" but it doesn't.

And I would have to refresh myself, but I had thought that the RNA idea had been given up on as well.
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This is getting more into abiogenesis than evolution

The "RNA world" idea has been been updated some but it's still one of the theories out there for abiogenesis.

There's so many theories out there they tend to disappear and pop up again. There is still thought that amino acids placed on clay in certain conditions can produce proteins, that's been shown to happen in the lab, as well as the deep sea vents which is where the the RNA world comes in. Intersellar seeding is still a idea as well.

Miller's version of the soup isn't accepted like it used to be because it's thought the enviornment he used may be wrong. I haven't heard anything about carbon, but I haven't paid much attention either. There are so many variables of why you could not find carbon that alone wouldn't be enough to discredit it I would think. It was tied up in the atmosphere as well as the first organisms themselves, plus the volcanic activity could have removed it by turning it to a gas.

As to which I think is right
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Why can't evolution be a part of creation?
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Originally Posted by slop101
Why can't evolution be a part of creation?
It can. Just don't expect creationism or "intelligent design" to be taken seriously as a scientific theory, because it's not testable.
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Originally Posted by slop101
Why can't evolution be a part of creation?
Creavolution.

It is human nature to fill the gap between what we understand and what we sense with mythos or in the case of the Daily Show ... Mirthos.

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