Maybe, but personally, I couldn't build a life with someone who would advocate denying people's civil rights (this administration's treatment of gay people), condem people to horrible deaths (this administration's stand on stem cell research), or advocate gunning down abortion doctors.

But maybe that's just me-I'm kind of nutty.

The one thing I liked about the dinner conversation was Claire made the comment and just assumed he would agree with her. It was nice to see the other view point. Everyone she had been around before agreed with her. I wonder if David will get his machine for the crematories now.

Never thought of it that way.

Damn you Ed Begley Jr. !!

At Nate's funeral I wonder if each of the Fischers will dirty their hands and throw soil on the casket (if Nate is buried and not cremated) - like Nate did at his father's funeral. It would be fitting.

Come on....she has dated guys who were borderline psychotic....if she throws away this simply because he has a different political view then she deserves what she gets.

Plus, all they showed was that he agreed with the war in Iraq. BFD. I agree with it too, but would not break up with someone simply because they dont.

Your examples from your post are very extreme. Im a moderate conservative and my girlfriend is a moderate liberal. We get into spirited debates all the time, but I would NEVER break up with her over it. Thats ridiculous. Life is too short to throw people away simply because they dont completely agree with you.

Like das said, we can learn from people who have different worldviews than our own.

Of course, with your ludicrous example (maybe you were kidding) of the murder of abortion doctors, anyone should steer clear of those nuts. And, im not even going to touch the stupidity of the stem cell statement.

I liked that too. It was like she had never even considered there were good, decent people in the world who didn't see politics the way she did, and that the world isn't as black and white (interestingly) as she believed.

das

Ever watch another HBO show called K Street? Ever hear of a couple named Mary Matalin and James Carville? Does it get any more extremely opposite than THOSE TWO?!

Thoughts on Maya... Perhaps she will be given to Lisa's sister Barb to raise. I mean technically she is more likely to be closer related to Barb's kids than to any of the Fishers (remember it was aleged that Maya's father may have been Lisa's brother-in-law Hoyt - see Episode 51 "Untitled").

If it wasnt for David and Keith adopting those 2 kids I would for sure think they would get Maya.

this whole issue of people with different political views getting together, like Mary Matalin and James Carville, is (for me) not just equivalent to a Red Sox fan and Yankee fan falling in love. I respect the fact that people have different ways of seeing the world - I hate to see monolithic thinking from people on the left or right - and I get along very well with my Republican co-workers and have had plenty of friendly political discussions. The general way I see things politically is entwined with my morality, even my spirituality. I don't want to be with a clone of myself, but for me to be in love with someone I would need to see their morality, mind, and soul as a touchstone, not to shrug and say "yeah, but they're really sweet anyway."

Maybe its not your politics that prevents you from finding love, it might be your tendancy to make semi-retarted statements.

Ok. So that's two personal attacks (this one and the earlier one from RockStrongo).

To quote the legal info of this site -

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• Posting of personal attacks against another member, moderator or administrator in the forum"

Also -

"Note: DVD Talk has a zero tolerance policy for personal attacks. Posting something to the DVD Talk forum which personally attacks another forum member or contains profanity or any type of racial or ethnic slur may result in immediate suspension of your user account"

So, are the administrators on vacation, or does that rule not apply when the older people attack the newer people?

Im pretty sure alot of people wouldnt find the 'semi-retarted statement' comment an attack, but instead a statement of fact.

And a third. It would seem that there must be another definition for "zero tolerance policy" that I was not aware of.

BTW, it's a lot, not alot.

I hope you're not going to cry now.

Since the thread is getting away from SFU, why not pick it up in the political forum? I am sure it fits in a number of threads over there.

ItsGreekToMe, you can report the offensive postings by clicking on the hazard link on the bottom left of every post, directly under your name, if you haven't already. From there, a mod will pick it up.

To this moderator, it is a personal attack and I would recommend you cool it.


Just a reminder to all to please keep the discussion focused on the episode and not about politics and bickering with each other. I will be forced to close this thread if it continues.

Thanks.


On a personal note, I am a few episodes behind wathing 6FU, and reading through this thread to respond to this issue has now given me a major spoiler.

Oh shit, that's terrible. I hope you people are happy.

das

For the record, my post was not an attack at all. If you were serious about your remarks in your initial post, then YOU were attacking by categorizing all conservatives as advocates of murder.

I think it was definately grounds to have that pointed out as a ludicrous statement. You might want to avoid posting such flame bait. Just a polite suggestion and no malice intended.

But, I will oblige and get back on topic.

Personally, im very interested in seeing the reaction of Ruth. I hope they do not bounce past it like so many shows do. She is a wonderful actress and would be able to convey her feelings of hearing this news for the first time.

I guess we shall see though.

That sucks....it seems your position as a moderator has interfered with your enjoyment of the show!

I try to stay on top of these shows since the news reports things like this....For example, my friend here at work was behind also and CNN posted an article yesterday about a major death on SFU.....Also, he heard it on the radio....sucks for people who didnt catch it on Sunday night.

As others have stated, this last handful of episodes have been really good. At least it appears as though the show will go out with the quality we all grew to love from SFU.

I can't believe most ppl didn't like Ruth goofy dream sequence with the rifle. I thought it was brilliant and some much-needed comic relief for a few moments.

I loved that scene

I thought it was annoying, but then, I think every scene Ruth is in is annoying.

Theve turned Ruth into such a bizarre character, that explaining away her issues with men so simply as 'im a mother figure' is kinda abrupt.

I'm a little torn about seeing her reaction in the next episode. I will either be severely annoyed or overjoyed by her pain. I can't stand that woman! Though I think that's the intended effect.

Well, I finally got around to watching these last 2 episodes, and was certainly glad to not have them spoiled.

I was a little bored with Claire and the new beau, but their political differences became a sounding board for whether or not there was something deeper in terms of their personal world outlook, and value system. Whether they stay on course for a deeper relationship is up not to their political differences, but whether they truly understand one another, and accept their strengths and differences while also sharing common goals that include room for personal growth as time marches on.

Nate, as a flawed character, endured quite a journey these past 5 years. Coming out of his coma, he seized upon that old adage of "time is short" and dealt with as much of his personal happiness as possible after waking up. I think his talk with Brenda signified his growth to a level where he finally knew it was time to let go, and became open to the possibility of a new life of happiness with Maggie. Of course, this leaves a wake of family issues (Maya and the daughter Brenda is carrying) that Nate will never get a chance to deal with, but saying his peace, his intentions were known and as painful as his declaration was to Brenda, he knew letting go of his marriage was the right thing for both of them in the long run. For Nate, there was little value in staying married for the sake of the children if it meant dying a little more each and every day by staying married to someone who is diametrically opposed to him in spirit and world view.

Another hallmark of 6FU is how it portrays the value of marriage, and the impact it has on marriages that might have gone on too long (Ruth's marriage is the prime example, marrying young, but suffering quite a bit on personal growth for the sake of raising their 3 children with Nathaniel, and after she is widow, she spend a lot of time re-learning sides of herself that she left dormant for over 30 years during her marriage). And having Ruth and George rush into marriage, and showing us how marriage isn't something to be rushed into without truly finding a rock-solid bit of common ground and understanding, life in a marriage where there isn't enough revelation of oneself or the other person is a life that also brings on death a little sooner each and everyday the "relationship" continues to exist.

Rico and Vanessa finally come to terms with the hurt of infidelity, and the love that exists in spite of infidelity, but wanting that love while also wanting to protect oneself is not something that can co-exist in a committed long-term relationship without coming to terms with the feelings of infidelity and issues of emotional abandonment suffered by Vanessa.

3-4 years ago, Nate does the "right" thing in marrying Lisa, but in time the value of doing the "right" thing isn't enough to stoke the fires of a committed relationship, even during a year where Nate had no idea what happened to Lisa, but was able to put all those second-guesses away and move on. Having given up on his previous relationship with Brenda in order to marry Lisa, and then getting a second chance to re-connect with Brenda, even those initial smatterings of pure physical attraction and the yin-yang game of opposites attracting is put to the test, but in the end, that marriage had too many opposing views to endure, in spite of Brenda's pregnancy, and Nate was finally able to separate marriage from fatherhood, and made the best possible decision for his future family situation, even though Brenda's world was rocked, but I think deep down, she knows their marriage would not have endured in the long run given their divergent paths at this point in time, and because of their own personal baggage.

Interestingly enough, I think deep down, David and Keith do know what the other one is all about, and in spite of their differences, their relationship, even with all the bumps in the road, has endured quite a while, and I wouldn't foresee them not being able to overcome future obstacles in their relationship. The stress of being new parents is a good test for them as a couple, and I think they are in good position to resolve tough situations as their arise, even though it will highlight differences in their outlook, they know what is important (even in cases of infidelity, they've found ways to stay together for the right reason, and not split up for the reasons).

What any of these storylines is trying to say about committed relationship is up to the viewer, but as an examination of the cycle of life and death (with the funeral home business as a backdrop) of the relational aspect of each person who moves through life on this earth, this show has poses many situations, and allowing flawed people to make their decisions, impulsive or otherwise, and letting the viewers see the consequences of those decisions, and takes us on a similar journey of discovering yourself in various pieces from the multiple storylines that run through the television tapestry known as "Six Feet Under".

I finally got around to watching this episode. Powerful stuff. About halfway through the episode I realized that we hadn't had a "Cougar Guy 1967-2005" fade to white and knew Nate was a goner....

... or that's when I would have figured it out if EVERY FUCKING NEWS MEDIA OUTLET IN THE WORLD hadn't ruined it. People, we live in the age of TiVo. Doing a news article on Monday morning with the headline "Nate Fisher dies on 6FU" is tantamount to doing a news article with the headline "Bruce Willis is Already Dead in the Sixth Sense" on the day after the movie opens.