They don't "seem" second rate; they <i>are</i> second rate. Frankly, though, I think they want it that way. They want to be on the fringe, airing (and quickly cancelling) quirky genre shows and sinking to the absolute lowest of lows in terms of classless programming. That's their niche, and they're great at it. We don't need another ABC/CBS/NBC. Fox fills a void and does it well, but they're still second rate. Until they open up a third primetime hour, it's not even close.

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and fox allows all their shows to make fun of their network and owners :up:

Nope. and it was proven by Fox winning the coveted demo 18-49

I watch more shows on Fox (5), than I do total for all the other networks (3)

That Garbage, is the one of the highest rated shows in the country.

and you want garbage? You see the crap that NBC is throwing out there? What about all those idiotic reality shows..I mean how many takes of the bachelor can you have?

House > .

/thread.

I think it's the other way:

Fox didn't become first-rate, the other three networks have dropped to second-rate (maybe even third-rate).

2nd rate feel.. but still the best lineup of shows :up:

ABC had the best lineup of shows this past season of broadcast networks.

:hscratch:
Im trying to think of anything i watch on abc

wait a minute.. hold on.. im sure there is one.....

cbs had the best overall ratings of the networks..
fox, nbc, abc all pretty much tied for 2nd

but as mentioned above.. fox won the 18-49 demo.. which is most important

Which means what? That lots of people like watching shitty shows on television? Who didn't already know that?

or means that your opinion is not the same as the majority
but i assume your opinion is still the correct one?

Ive been to burnsville.. drove by there this past weekend
did you see me??

I actually see The WB as a step up from Fox. I know that isn't technically true, but they have a slicker presentation/higher production value IMHO that makes them seem more real deal. But yeah, Fox still is a second stringer, but if that means they don't run 14 cop shows during the week I'm cool with it.

I've got you beat, I live within sight of Burnsville. Can see it now off in the distance over the treetops.

I really wish they would've opened up that third hour years ago. It would've meant an extra 7 hours to fill across the week. It *might* have saved some of the infamous cancellations if Fox had that much time to fill. "Well Wonderfalls/Firefly/Tru Calling/etc. is doing crappy in the ratings, but we might as well stick with it because we need to put SOMETHING on."

Or, they might have just filled it with even more crap... we'll never know.

Which means that Fox is among the big boys..and not a 2nd rate network.

Who cares they dont have national news? Not everyone watches the national news (notice ratings going down across the board). I'd rather have my syndicated sitcoms.

Who cares they have 3 hours of programming. That extra hour of programming sure hasnt helped NBC. It makes what Fox is doing even more special..since they are working with one less hour.

A network basically hanging its hat on one program, particularly a reality one (that could very well be a fad), isn't a recipe for continued success IMO.

I don't watch anything on Fox currently except the NFL in the fall/winter.

So, yes is 2nd rate IMO.

A fad that has gotten better ratings in its 4th season than its 1st? Not bad for a fad.

Oh and also House is a top 10 program. Not bad..Fox has 3 of the top 10 shows in the nielsen's ratings..

Well if we are talking opinions...CBS must be 2nd rate..as I do not watch anything on CBS. Being consistant and all.

I drove through the twin cities this weekend
did you see me?
I was in a dollar rental car taurus

;)

House wouldn't be a top-10 program w/o the lead-in of AI. FOX's success is driven by one show, which makes for a potentially bad situation. No other network is so dependent on one show.

hold on.. Im still trying to think of ANYTHING i watch on ABC.. Im sure there is something.. :hscratch:

although I could quickly come up with 5-7 programs I watch regularly on fox

have you seen house?
it may very well be the best show on television right now

and AI is just one piece of fox's current success.. of course, its the overall most dominating rating show on the air, but still.. ;)

I have. Can't stand it. I have little doubt what ratings it would draw without the AI lead-in.