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Damfino 04-25-05 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
OK, one more small complaint: did the Defiant bridge seem a little.....off? It just felt too small compared to the classic Enterprise bridge we're used to.

It may depend on how the episode was made. I doubt that they rebuilt the set (too expensive) so that leaves filming the current cast in front of a blue screen and using backgrounds from TOS (as done on TNG for Relics and DS9 for Trials and Tribble-lations). I thought some of the Defiant backgrounds seemed grainy, so maybe they zoomed in on frames from various TOS episodes to get the angles they wanted and this effect caused the cast to appear slightly bigger than they should have been.

Chew 04-25-05 11:00 AM

They did rebuild nearly the entire set, I saw the construction pictures. Of course, you can never find them when you need to.


edit to add:


For these historic scenes, production designer Herman Zimmerman was responsible for what is perhaps the most awe-inspiring set done for Enterprise to date. It may not be the most complex set, but the fact that it was done, and done to perfection, is due to a tremendous production team who made sure that every last detail was in place prior to filming. Although it is the Defiant, it is, for all intents and purposes, the Original Series U.S.S. Enterprise. There are subtle differences, but viewers will be amazed at the detail used for this full three-quarters around set, the likes of which have not been used for filming since the final Star Trek episode, "Turnabout Intruder," in 1969.

Special kudos for the Defiant set must go to members of Zimmerman's team, such as set designer Ahna Packard, who spent days drawing the set in incredible detail and also to senior illustrator Doug Drexler, who pioneered most of the original research for the DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations" episode and the set built for the London Hyde Park exhibit. Truly a group effort, many more details of the Defiant set were worked on by such art department veterans as scenic art supervisor/technical advisor Mike Okuda and scenic artist James Van Over.

Acknowledgement must also go to construction coordinator Tom Arp and his department. After all, they are the ones who physically build the amazing sets you see week in and week out. For the Defiant, they've gone that extra parsec and produced a stunning vision of this older, but at the same time futuristic, ship.

Writer Mike Sussman is impressed by the efforts of the crew in constructing sets for "In a Mirror, Darkly": "I think the bridge set is remarkable. I hope fans will be thrilled to see that set again in all of its glory. I feel that it probably looks better than the original in many respects, if you compare them side by side."
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...icle/9421.html

RichardW 04-25-05 11:24 AM

The pictures used to be on saveenterprise.com, but they've been taken down at Paramount's request.

Great episode! I've been looking forward to this one ever since I first heard about it. It did not disappoint. Looking forward to part 2 and more of T'Pol in her mirror universe uniform.

Damfino 04-25-05 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Chew
They did rebuild nearly the entire set, I saw the construction pictures. Of course, you can never find them when you need to.


edit to add:


http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...icle/9421.html

I happily stand corrected. I'm impressed that they went to so much trouble for just for 2 episodes.

MvRojo 04-25-05 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by JasonF
OK, now I'm sure Berman & Braga are purposely trying to screw up the franchise. I mean, if you held a contest where you had everybody in America come up with the worst premise for a Star Trek episode, I don't think you could possibly beat this one for sheer lameness.

Well that idea wasn't from B&B. It was actually Mike Sussman's idea. I'm glad it didn't fall through though since the story he ended up writing is much better than his original idea sounded.

MvRojo 04-25-05 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Damfino
I happily stand corrected. I'm impressed that they went to so much trouble for just for 2 episodes.

Yeah, they're having fun this season building sets. The last episode will have
Spoiler:
rebuilt sets from TNG including quarters, the observation lounge, and Ten-Forward

milo bloom 04-25-05 12:43 PM

I wonder if they struck that whole set when they were done? It would be an awful shame, it should at least go to some museum or something. I'd love to see some TOS era miniseries greenlit just so they can get more use out of that set.

Chew 04-25-05 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by milo bloom
I wonder if they struck that whole set when they were done? It would be an awful shame, it should at least go to some museum or something. I'd love to see some TOS era miniseries greenlit just so they can get more use out of that set.

Well, since the Enterprise was destroyed: I have a good feeling we'll see plenty of the Defiant bridge next week. ;)

riley_dude 04-25-05 01:13 PM

I enjoyed the episode and I even rewatched The Tholian Web to understand what was up with the Defiant.
Nice to see everyone with more of an ege but what's up with Bacula and his range? Does he have any? He was terrible trying to portray someone mean and unlike his other self. I am starting to see why his career never went anywhere after Quantum Leap.

Wish TNG had done a Mirror Universe episode and maybe even Voyager>

JasonF 04-25-05 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by MvRojo
Well that idea wasn't from B&B. It was actually Mike Sussman's idea. I'm glad it didn't fall through though since the story he ended up writing is much better than his original idea sounded.

If Mike Sussman came to me with that idea, my reaction would be "Your idea of a good way to have Captain Kirk guest star on Enterprise is to rip off the movie Dave? Are you drunk!?!" instead of "That's brilliant! Get Shatner on the phone!"

lisadoris 04-25-05 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by riley_dude
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Nice to see everyone with more of an ege but what's up with Bacula and his range? Does he have any? He was terrible trying to portray someone mean and unlike his other self.

That is my one complaint about the episode and I don't know whether it is the limitation of the character or the actor. Evil Archer just wasn't working for me. But other than that I thought it was a good episode but I will wait and see how it ends before getting too attached.

MvRojo 04-25-05 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by riley_dude
Wish TNG had done a Mirror Universe episode and maybe even Voyager>

Yeah, Patrick Stewart playing an evil Picard would have been awesome. Then you could have Troi using her mental powers to torture people or something. And Wesley would be killed for being annoying.

Voyager kinda played an alternate version of themselves in "Living Witness".

Jason 04-25-05 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by MvRojo
Yeah, Patrick Stewart playing an evil Picard would have been awesome. Then you could have Troi using her mental powers to torture people or something.

You need to read "Dark Mirror"

Captain Pike 04-25-05 04:47 PM

It really is a shame that they're only just bringing in some interesting continuity with TOS. I have to believe though that they wouldn't have built an entire original series bridge set without having plans to use it in more than one Enterprise episode. Chances seem really good that it'll show up again somewhere, somehow. At least, I can hope, right? Maybe a series about my namesake? That would be cool!

MvRojo 04-25-05 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Jason
You need to read "Dark Mirror"

Oh, I have. But the idea of seeing Stewart playing an evil Picard is still really cool.

theedge 04-25-05 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Pike
Maybe a series about my namesake? That would be cool!

Maybe they can feature it in a video for the Sulu Dance? :banana:

pilot 04-27-05 10:10 PM

first podcasts for Battlestar Galactica, now Enterprise!

http://www.trektoday.com/news/270405_02.shtml


StarTrek.com Offers Commentary on 'In a Mirror, Darkly'

The official Star Trek site has launched a commentary podcast for the first "In a Mirror, Darkly" episode featuring writer Mike Sussman and editorial director Tim Gaskill.

The initial commentary, posted in Quicktime, WMA and MP3 formats at StarTrek.com, recommends that viewers watch and record the episode once before listening to the commentary to avoid having events revealed prematurely. Then, using videotape or TiVo, viewers are encouraged to watch the episode again while playing the remarks by Sussman and Gaskill, who promised, in Gaskill's words, "some critical analysis and some comments from both of us for the next 45 minutes." The files contain pauses for commercial breaks.

Sussman discussed his enthusiasm for the original series and details from the Mirror universe, saying that he appreciated the fact that the special effects team remembered to label the ship "ISS Enterprise" even though that name was never spoken in the episode; he said he had also wanted to bring back the agony booth, in which fans first saw Chekov in "Mirror, Mirror." The opening, he explained, was designed to "sort of fake out" the audience, making it seem like a rerun of Star Trek: First Contact until Cochrane begins to behave in a decidedly different manner. Those scenes, he noted, were shot on film rather than digital video to match the footage from First Contact, and Sussman admitted that they almost didn't get filmed.

"We had to get clearance from James Cromwell and the actor playing the Vulcan" to use the film footage, he said, and if they had wanted too much money, Enterprise would not have been able to use the material. He believed that they had agreed to accept scale, and they were lucky in that production designer Herman Zimmerman had saved the entire lower portion of the Vulcan ship from the movie, which was brought out of storage and used to shoot three new brief shots. Gaskill noted that Cromwell did not have any lines in the new material, which led Sussman to laugh that in fact Cromwell doesn't appear in the new material at all; only parts of Cochrane are seen as a grizzled man commits the atrocity against the Vulcan.

The new opening sequence, which contains footage from The Hunt for Red October and other Paramount films and shows, was conceived by the writers, said Sussman, whose favourite image was the shooting on the moon. "This is what Star Trek would be like in the Mirror Universe," he observed, Sussman could not recall who came up with the idea for the alternate opening, though he thought it might have been executive producer Manny Coto. "We talked in the writing room for a long time about doing various episodes with different opening titles," he revealed. "I know that at one time Brannon had talked about doing a Next Gen episode with Next Gen opening titles, but that didn't quite come to pass." Rumours have floated that the script for "These Are the Voyages...", the Enterprise finale, was in fact written long before the show was cancelled by UPN, so perhaps this was the genesis of that idea.

There is no word about whether Paramount intends to release this commentary on the future DVD release of "In a Mirror, Darkly" in the fourth season set. But now that the technology is in place, perhaps more episodes will receive such treatment in the future, as StarTrek.com suggests.

STARTREK.COM makes its first foray into podcasting with our exclusive "In a Mirror, Darkly" audio commentary featuring episode writer Mike Sussman and the site's editorial director Tim Gaskill.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...cle/10602.html (news)
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...cle/10600.html (actual page)
podcast application link: http://www.startrek.com/custom/headlines/podcast.xml

has ad breaks where commercials are (like the BSG ones)

direct links:

quicktime: http://www.startrek.com/custom/inclu...commentary.mov
wma (media player): http://www.startrek.com/custom/inclu...commentary.wma
mp3: http://www.startrek.com/custom/inclu...commentary.mp3

Chew 04-28-05 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by pilot
first podcasts for Battlestar Galactica, now Enterprise!

Just coming here to post the same thing! I have to wonder if B&B will be doing one for the finale?

pilot 04-28-05 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
Just coming here to post the same thing! I have to wonder if B&B will be doing one for the finale?

somehow, I doubt they have the balls ..I imagine it's going to be Sussman and Gaskill ..they said at the end of the first one "see you next week" ..and there was a break for the commercial like they had expected you to start on the next one...I imagine we'll get at least one more (for the april 29th one) but how many after that, I dunno...but I liked having them ..they mentioned they deleted some scenes (etc) ..so hopefully the deleted scenes they mentioned will make it to the dvds..

Chew 04-28-05 07:23 AM

Now that they're recording commentaries as the episodes air, Paramount has no excuse not to include them on the DVD release. :D

BTW, I meant series finale (since B&B wrote that one). I wasn't sure if you thought I meant the finale to the Mirror storyline, because you're right: it only makes sense for Sussman to be the one doing it. :)

pilot 04-28-05 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Chew
Now that they're recording commentaries as the episodes air, Paramount has no excuse not to include them on the DVD release. :D

BTW, I meant series finale (since B&B wrote that one). I wasn't sure if you thought I meant the finale to the Mirror storyline, because you're right: it only makes sense for Sussman to be the one doing it. :)

I know you meant the series finale, and I refer to my previous statement..I personally don't think they will...but maybe...I'd be interesting to see if this end up on dvds ..but they could record new ones (or not put these on because they were for when it aired on tv) (or put commentaries on other episodes!) but ..that's like a year from now so I guess we'll have to see :) ..regardless of who does one for the series finale, I'd like to hear what whomever does it has to say..

Chew 04-28-05 09:12 AM

Now having listened to it: I hope they made two copies, one for podcast purposes and one for the DVD. The podcast quality was pretty bad (strictly on a "this should be more professional than a guy in his garage" level). Plus, I wouldn't care to listen to all the "pause during the commercial break" interruptions.

klandersen 04-28-05 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by dstrauss
That was FUN, dammit.

And I'll echo that the mirror-Hoshi was HOT. But then, Linda Park has always been hot, they just haven't slutted her up like N'pol.

That is part of why she is so HOT!

klandersen 04-28-05 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Dmacsg1
Two big :thumbsup::thumbsup:!!!!!!!

This episode kicked major major ass!!!

Now this is what I have always wanted to see in a Mirror, Mirror episode!

HAIL THE EMPIRE!!!!

Well looks like season 4 of Enterprise is now a definate must buy on DVD!!

Looking forward to next week!!!

Take care all!!

The goons responsible for the cancellation are IDIOTS! Season 4 has generally been one of the BEST seasons for each Trek series so far. I wonder what TOS would have been like in Season 4?

It seems to be one of those strange Trek Phenomenon like the Even numbered movies thing.


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