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Old 12-17-04 | 09:55 AM
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Agreed. I wonder how Jen is in the courtroom? I'm a Paralegal and have assisted in many trials. The best attorney I have worked with and who I learned the most from is very intelligent/tough but she is also subtle in her approach. I find the theatrics/grand-standing/shouting/sighing/eye-rolling of opposing counsel ridiculous. This type of behavior in a courtroom usually alienates the Judge and the jury.

Glad Kelly won.
While I agree with you, who knows if she is even a litigator. She might be stuck in some office drafting wills all day, etc. But, if she is a litigator, I am positive that judges would find all those theatrics you described as very unprofessional. She addressed Trump and George as if they were her equals - Kelly spoke very respectfully, and I am sure that was one of the factors in hiring him --- he has a respect for authority.

P.S. Which did he take --- NY or Las Vegas? I would've jumped on the NYC thing in a heartbeat --- there is not a comparison b/w NYC and Las Vegas. Yuck.
Old 12-17-04 | 09:57 AM
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That's true if you believe that the Apprentices actually do real management work once they are hired.
Know what Bil Rancic actually does? Sells residential condos for the to-be-built Trump tower here.

He's a real estate salesman, not "president of one of my companies"
Old 12-17-04 | 10:00 AM
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He might do that now, but at first he oversaw the completion of the building, didn't he?
Old 12-17-04 | 10:03 AM
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P.S. Which did he take --- NY or Las Vegas? I would've jumped on the NYC thing in a heartbeat --- there is not a comparison b/w NYC and Las Vegas. Yuck.

I thought just the opposite. He took NYC because he wanted to be closer to Trump. Awwww, isn't that sweet.

I already commented that I would be surprised if Jen was a litigator.
Old 12-17-04 | 10:04 AM
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Know what Bil Rancic actually does? Sells residential condos for the to-be-built Trump tower here.

He's a real estate salesman, not "president of one of my companies"

Well this wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Old 12-17-04 | 10:36 AM
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I'm sure she skirts by in her law practice as well.
Speaking of skirts, coming up next we'll hear an update on Raj's love life! [/Regis]
Old 12-17-04 | 10:44 AM
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Speaking of skirts, coming up next we'll hear an update on Raj's love life! [/Regis]
Hah! Man there were some awkward moment during the show. I love Raj but that whole exchange between him and Robin...him standing up, her getting interrupted...yikes!
Old 12-17-04 | 10:47 AM
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Yes, but the most awkward moment was Trump's COO saying how much he disliked Jen, then being unable to continue.

I'm dying to know what was up with that.
Old 12-17-04 | 10:49 AM
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Know what Bil Rancic actually does? Sells residential condos for the to-be-built Trump tower here.

He's a real estate salesman, not "president of one of my companies"
Great, I'll put on a suit and head over there as an "interested" buyer.
Old 12-17-04 | 10:53 AM
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Yeah, Raj had an interesting arc. At first he's kind of weird and affected, then he's funny and you get to like him until you discover he's really kind of creepy.

Sort of like Ross from "Friends."
Old 12-17-04 | 10:56 AM
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Agreed that last night's finale blew, but it was sort of interesting to watch in a train-wreck kind of way.

The idea that Trump didn't know which one he was going to hire was obviously bullshit, and the whole thing seemed to be designed to humiliate Jennifer. It just came off as being horribly tacky.
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Yes, but the most awkward moment was Trump's COO saying how much he disliked Jen, then being unable to continue.

I'm dying to know what was up with that.

The whole live part of the broadcast was awkward.
Old 12-17-04 | 10:59 AM
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I am sure if it would've been Kevin v. Kelly, you wouldn't have seen such a lopsided discussion. There wasn't a contest in my mind b/w Kelly and Jen, and clearly the people Trump respects felt likewise. Can't blame 'em for being honest.

But I do agree with you - it was certainly scripted when Regis came out, etc.; but the people he interviewed were not reading a teleprompter. At least that much is good.
Old 12-17-04 | 11:05 AM
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I thought it was funny when Regis said "When we come back, we'll hear what Jen C. meant by her comment...oh wait, we just heard that!"
Old 12-17-04 | 11:10 AM
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He might do that now, but at first he oversaw the completion of the building, didn't he?
The building isn't even started yet.

They haven't even knocked down the old building currently on the site.
Old 12-17-04 | 11:22 AM
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Ok nevermind
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While I agree with you, who knows if she is even a litigator. She might be stuck in some office drafting wills all day, etc. But, if she is a litigator, I am positive that judges would find all those theatrics you described as very unprofessional. She addressed Trump and George as if they were her equals - Kelly spoke very respectfully, and I am sure that was one of the factors in hiring him --- he has a respect for authority.

P.S. Which did he take --- NY or Las Vegas? I would've jumped on the NYC thing in a heartbeat --- there is not a comparison b/w NYC and Las Vegas. Yuck.
i think they said she was in corporate law and handled transactions between companies. Sounds like she reads M&A documents, stock issues, bond issues and similar stuff.

what turned me off on her is her pouting when it seemed like she wouldn't get chosen
Old 12-17-04 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Toad
Yes, but the most awkward moment was Trump's COO saying how much he disliked Jen, then being unable to continue.

I'm dying to know what was up with that.
It was pretty clear that each person had memorized a scripted speech to announce their pick for Kelly or Jen. That guy simply froze and forgot his lines.

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Old 12-17-04 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Agreed that last night's finale blew, but it was sort of interesting to watch in a train-wreck kind of way.

The idea that Trump didn't know which one he was going to hire was obviously bullshit, and the whole thing seemed to be designed to humiliate Jennifer. It just came off as being horribly tacky.
Agreed. The funny thing is that, based on her strong closing performance, she'll probably get some real job offers, while Kelly gets locked into a babysitting job for the next year.

Trump undoubtedly had picked Kelly, but I guarantee that Trump was rethinking his pick when Jen started defending herself. "Kelly, this is bad." She just owned that conversation.
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OH PUUUULLLLLEEEEESSSSSEEEEE!

Do you also think that Andy got 'out-debated' by Jen and Sandy?

Those two morons screamed at the top of thier lungs, repeating the same lines over and over like children. Not trying to scream over there childish rants makes you a BETTER canidate in my book, not worse.

Trump knew early that Kelly was his guy, so he carried Jen to make an interesting male/female dynamic in the finals, just like Bill/Kwame made an interesting black/white dynamic.

It would be like Survivor being able to make it Chris/Julie instead of Chris/Twila just so more people are invested.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that after EVERY trusted business leader said Kelly was FAR AND AWAY the best canidate, Trump was going to pick Jen because she can talk loud without pausing for a breath!

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Old 12-17-04 | 01:19 PM
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I didn't like Jen much, but I couldn't root for Kelly to win because he is so boring. He seemed to fade into the woodwork most of the time, which to me doesn't scream great leader. I think he'd make a great middle manager, but I never felt he had enough of a personality to be an inspiring leader.

Plus having yet another bland white male win this thing was kind of predictable and boring. Too bad most of the female contestants were shrill bitches this year.
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Originally Posted by Jadzia
I didn't like Jen much, but I couldn't root for Kelly to win because he is so boring. He seemed to fade into the woodwork most of the time, which to me doesn't scream great leader. I think he'd make a great middle manager, but I never felt he had enough of a personality to be an inspiring leader.

Plus having yet another bland white male win this thing was kind of predictable and boring. Too bad most of the female contestants were shrill bitches this year.
I think alot of people confused Jens pouty lips, blond hair, chest and ass with a personality, because her demeanor made Kelly look like Jim Carey on meth.
Old 12-17-04 | 01:54 PM
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It was pretty obvious that Kelly was going to win. Felt sorry for Jen though. The next seasons looks interesting, but I wonder how that will work out, since they put a lot of emphasis on how well the contestants were educated.
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Originally Posted by Jadzia
I didn't like Jen much, but I couldn't root for Kelly to win because he is so boring. He seemed to fade into the woodwork most of the time, which to me doesn't scream great leader. I think he'd make a great middle manager, but I never felt he had enough of a personality to be an inspiring leader.

Plus having yet another bland white male win this thing was kind of predictable and boring. Too bad most of the female contestants were shrill bitches this year.
Oh please - neither his race nor his sex have ANYTHING to do with the fact that he won. Out of those contestants, he was the best week in and week out. He proved it with all of his wins and his demeanor.

I think it would've been more predictable to have a black woman win it in today's world.
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I didn't care much for this season's apprentice. More than half of the tasks were hawking corporate products. It felt like one big ad. This show cannot hold a candle to TAR which also has corporate sponsers but doesn't shove it down your throats like Apprentice or Survivor.

Anyway, I didn't care for any of the contestants but I ended up rooting for Jennifer because everyone was ragging on her. I am one who thought the interviews were unscripted. Wouldn't you think the producers would have tried to balance it out more by finding people that supported Jen i.e. interview the people first (get a balanced view) before putting them on. That whole part seemed amateurish and unbalanced. Even if Kelly was going to win, they failed in offering much suspense. Jen also defended herself quite well. I would have hired her over Kelly just for the shock value but of course Trump went with the safe choice.


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