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Jadzia 12-17-04 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Toad
I'm sure she skirts by in her law practice as well.

Speaking of skirts, coming up next we'll hear an update on Raj's love life! [/Regis]

iggystar 12-17-04 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
Speaking of skirts, coming up next we'll hear an update on Raj's love life! [/Regis]

Hah! Man there were some awkward moment during the show. I love Raj but that whole exchange between him and Robin...him standing up, her getting interrupted...yikes! :)

Toad 12-17-04 10:47 AM

Yes, but the most awkward moment was Trump's COO saying how much he disliked Jen, then being unable to continue.

I'm dying to know what was up with that.

Achtung 12-17-04 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by GuessWho
Know what Bil Rancic actually does? Sells residential condos for the to-be-built Trump tower here.

He's a real estate salesman, not "president of one of my companies"

Great, I'll put on a suit and head over there as an "interested" buyer.

Josh-da-man 12-17-04 10:53 AM

Yeah, Raj had an interesting arc. At first he's kind of weird and affected, then he's funny and you get to like him until you discover he's really kind of creepy.

Sort of like Ross from "Friends."

Josh-da-man 12-17-04 10:56 AM

Agreed that last night's finale blew, but it was sort of interesting to watch in a train-wreck kind of way.

The idea that Trump didn't know which one he was going to hire was obviously bullshit, and the whole thing seemed to be designed to humiliate Jennifer. It just came off as being horribly tacky.

Red Dog 12-17-04 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Toad
Yes, but the most awkward moment was Trump's COO saying how much he disliked Jen, then being unable to continue.

I'm dying to know what was up with that.


The whole live part of the broadcast was awkward.

Toad 12-17-04 10:59 AM

I am sure if it would've been Kevin v. Kelly, you wouldn't have seen such a lopsided discussion. There wasn't a contest in my mind b/w Kelly and Jen, and clearly the people Trump respects felt likewise. Can't blame 'em for being honest.

But I do agree with you - it was certainly scripted when Regis came out, etc.; but the people he interviewed were not reading a teleprompter. At least that much is good.

Jadzia 12-17-04 11:05 AM

I thought it was funny when Regis said "When we come back, we'll hear what Jen C. meant by her comment...oh wait, we just heard that!"

GuessWho 12-17-04 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Toad
He might do that now, but at first he oversaw the completion of the building, didn't he?

The building isn't even started yet.

They haven't even knocked down the old building currently on the site.

Toad 12-17-04 11:22 AM

:lol:
Ok nevermind :)

al_bundy 12-17-04 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Toad
While I agree with you, who knows if she is even a litigator. She might be stuck in some office drafting wills all day, etc. But, if she is a litigator, I am positive that judges would find all those theatrics you described as very unprofessional. She addressed Trump and George as if they were her equals - Kelly spoke very respectfully, and I am sure that was one of the factors in hiring him --- he has a respect for authority.

P.S. Which did he take --- NY or Las Vegas? I would've jumped on the NYC thing in a heartbeat --- there is not a comparison b/w NYC and Las Vegas. Yuck.

i think they said she was in corporate law and handled transactions between companies. Sounds like she reads M&A documents, stock issues, bond issues and similar stuff.

what turned me off on her is her pouting when it seemed like she wouldn't get chosen

DigIt 12-17-04 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Toad
Yes, but the most awkward moment was Trump's COO saying how much he disliked Jen, then being unable to continue.

I'm dying to know what was up with that.

It was pretty clear that each person had memorized a scripted speech to announce their pick for Kelly or Jen. That guy simply froze and forgot his lines.

DigIt 12-17-04 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Agreed that last night's finale blew, but it was sort of interesting to watch in a train-wreck kind of way.

The idea that Trump didn't know which one he was going to hire was obviously bullshit, and the whole thing seemed to be designed to humiliate Jennifer. It just came off as being horribly tacky.

Agreed. The funny thing is that, based on her strong closing performance, she'll probably get some real job offers, while Kelly gets locked into a babysitting job for the next year.

Trump undoubtedly had picked Kelly, but I guarantee that Trump was rethinking his pick when Jen started defending herself. "Kelly, this is bad." She just owned that conversation.

Tommy Ceez 12-17-04 01:13 PM

OH PUUUULLLLLEEEEESSSSSEEEEE!

Do you also think that Andy got 'out-debated' by Jen and Sandy?

Those two morons screamed at the top of thier lungs, repeating the same lines over and over like children. Not trying to scream over there childish rants makes you a BETTER canidate in my book, not worse.

Trump knew early that Kelly was his guy, so he carried Jen to make an interesting male/female dynamic in the finals, just like Bill/Kwame made an interesting black/white dynamic.

It would be like Survivor being able to make it Chris/Julie instead of Chris/Twila just so more people are invested.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that after EVERY trusted business leader said Kelly was FAR AND AWAY the best canidate, Trump was going to pick Jen because she can talk loud without pausing for a breath! :lol:

Jadzia 12-17-04 01:19 PM

I didn't like Jen much, but I couldn't root for Kelly to win because he is so boring. He seemed to fade into the woodwork most of the time, which to me doesn't scream great leader. I think he'd make a great middle manager, but I never felt he had enough of a personality to be an inspiring leader.

Plus having yet another bland white male win this thing was kind of predictable and boring. Too bad most of the female contestants were shrill bitches this year.

Tommy Ceez 12-17-04 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
I didn't like Jen much, but I couldn't root for Kelly to win because he is so boring. He seemed to fade into the woodwork most of the time, which to me doesn't scream great leader. I think he'd make a great middle manager, but I never felt he had enough of a personality to be an inspiring leader.

Plus having yet another bland white male win this thing was kind of predictable and boring. Too bad most of the female contestants were shrill bitches this year.

I think alot of people confused Jens pouty lips, blond hair, chest and ass with a personality, because her demeanor made Kelly look like Jim Carey on meth.

Fok 12-17-04 01:54 PM

It was pretty obvious that Kelly was going to win. Felt sorry for Jen though. The next seasons looks interesting, but I wonder how that will work out, since they put a lot of emphasis on how well the contestants were educated.

Toad 12-17-04 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
I didn't like Jen much, but I couldn't root for Kelly to win because he is so boring. He seemed to fade into the woodwork most of the time, which to me doesn't scream great leader. I think he'd make a great middle manager, but I never felt he had enough of a personality to be an inspiring leader.

Plus having yet another bland white male win this thing was kind of predictable and boring. Too bad most of the female contestants were shrill bitches this year.

Oh please - neither his race nor his sex have ANYTHING to do with the fact that he won. Out of those contestants, he was the best week in and week out. He proved it with all of his wins and his demeanor.

I think it would've been more predictable to have a black woman win it in today's world.

chowderhead 12-17-04 02:22 PM

I didn't care much for this season's apprentice. More than half of the tasks were hawking corporate products. It felt like one big ad. This show cannot hold a candle to TAR which also has corporate sponsers but doesn't shove it down your throats like Apprentice or Survivor.

Anyway, I didn't care for any of the contestants but I ended up rooting for Jennifer because everyone was ragging on her. I am one who thought the interviews were unscripted. Wouldn't you think the producers would have tried to balance it out more by finding people that supported Jen i.e. interview the people first (get a balanced view) before putting them on. That whole part seemed amateurish and unbalanced. Even if Kelly was going to win, they failed in offering much suspense. Jen also defended herself quite well. I would have hired her over Kelly just for the shock value but of course Trump went with the safe choice.

Red Dog 12-17-04 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by chowderhead
IThis show cannot hold a candle to TAR which also has corporate sponsers but doesn't shove it down your throats like Apprentice or Survivor.


Just wait - the more popular TAR gets, they will start doing the same.

al_bundy 12-17-04 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
I didn't like Jen much, but I couldn't root for Kelly to win because he is so boring. He seemed to fade into the woodwork most of the time, which to me doesn't scream great leader. I think he'd make a great middle manager, but I never felt he had enough of a personality to be an inspiring leader.

Plus having yet another bland white male win this thing was kind of predictable and boring. Too bad most of the female contestants were shrill bitches this year.

i think the biggest reason trump picked him is that he had a history of managing projects unlike Jen who was mostly just making sure the paperwork was good in a financial transaction and advising her client.

nazz 12-17-04 03:52 PM

I think Kelly was the right choice based on overall perfromance throughout the season.

I thought the extent that they went to to humiliate Jen was too much and would have been much more deserved by Omarosa last time. Now that would have been fun.

Jadzia 12-17-04 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Toad
Oh please - neither his race nor his sex have ANYTHING to do with the fact that he won. Out of those contestants, he was the best week in and week out. He proved it with all of his wins and his demeanor.

I think it would've been more predictable to have a black woman win it in today's world.

Yeah, because black women run corporate America. :lol:

Josh-da-man 12-17-04 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
Just wait - the more popular TAR gets, they will start doing the same.

Roadblock: One member of the team will have to consume twelve tubes of Pringles and a case of Bud Light.

iggystar 12-17-04 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
Yeah, because black women run corporate America. :lol:

You said it Jadzia.

But I must disagree with you about Kelly, I didn't think he was boring....wait that was Kelly in my dream last night. That's an entirely different thread.

Everything about last night's finale was just weird, that COO clamming up. I mean he couldn't even get out an "I think Kelly is just better." He needs to be fired.

tofu 12-17-04 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Roadblock: One member of the team will have to consume twelve tubes of Pringles and a case of Bud Light.

I'm totally imagining Bolo and Gus just plowing through that Roadblock.

Red Dog 12-17-04 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by tofu
I'm totally imagining Bolo and Gus just plowing through that Roadblock.


No. Now maybe if it is Weight-Gainer 2000......

BabiG 12-17-04 06:14 PM


Agreed. The funny thing is that, based on her strong closing performance, she'll probably get some real job offers, while Kelly gets locked into a babysitting job for the next year.

Trump undoubtedly had picked Kelly, but I guarantee that Trump was rethinking his pick when Jen started defending herself. "Kelly, this is bad." She just owned that conversation.
I don't get what was so great about her "performance". In essence, she said the speech she's been practicing for the last few months, character assasinated Kelly, and in general just took up a lot of empty air time. Kelly just didn't interrupt her, and let her have her say, which should be the normal course of things. Of course after that, Trump barely gave him time to speak. When Trump said "this is bad", Kelly had gotten about two sentences in, basically he was punished for not being a dick and shouting over her.

boredsilly 12-17-04 06:16 PM

I felt bad for Jen during the show. Then I remembered that she is gonna end up making no less than six figures for the rest of her life and figured I should turn in and go to sleep. There are no real "losers" on this show.

I like the show, but I really hope they up the ante on the challenges next go round. Some of the shit they did this year was below 16 year olds. Washing dogs? Selling candybars? Ice cream? C'mon now.

Jadzia 12-17-04 07:05 PM

I cracked up during the boardroom when Jen was trying to say metaphor and she pronounced it "metamaphor".

synergy 12-17-04 07:29 PM

No surprise here, a rather boring finale as confirmed by most people:

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve...427|1|,00.html

'Apprentice' Finale Ratings Take a Dive

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) The finale for the second season of NBC's "The Apprentice" drew an average of nearly 17 million viewers across its three-hour running time on Thursday (Dec. 16) night. While NBC is trying to put a happy face on those figures, the network will try to ignore the dramatic drop from the show's first season...

The finale was down 43 percent among adults 18-49 from the 13.6 rating done by the first season finale last May. The first season finale, crowning Bill Rancic, attracted 28 million viewers for a hefty 39 percent fall.

The finale saw only a slight improvement over the show's seasonal average of 15.3 million viewers and failed to left NBC over rerun fueled CBS for the overall ratings and viewership crown for the night. Last season, "The Apprentice" averaged 20.7 million viewers per week in its spring run...

Jack Straw 12-17-04 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
Imagine my surprise when I turned to kill time watching a repeat of er, when my trusty IO box told me that the Apprentice was on for THREE hours..

I imagine this thing was streched out more than Trump's comb-over..

:lol::lol:

DodgingCars 12-18-04 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by the narrator
Not a big surprise that Kelly won. I thought him and Kevin were the only 2 that had a really good shot at winning after the first few tasks. As soon as Kevin was gone, I thought it was all Kelly's to win

Agree 100%. I'm surprised so many people here didn't like Kelly. I thought he was the only consistent "contestant" this whole season. Jen was terrible. She knew how to argue in the boardroom, but she generally was terrible on the jobs.

Dabaomb 12-18-04 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
I cracked up during the boardroom when Jen was trying to say metaphor and she pronounced it "metamaphor".

No, she was talking about the toy car in the first episode. The name of it was the "Metamorphor" or something like that.

Bill Needle 12-18-04 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by DodgingCars
Agree 100%. I'm surprised so many people here didn't like Kelly. I thought he was the only consistent "contestant" this whole season. Jen was terrible. She knew how to argue in the boardroom, but she generally was terrible on the jobs.

She did a fantastic job filling out the Levis. I give her credit for that.

Bill Needle 12-18-04 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by synergy
No surprise here, a rather boring finale as confirmed by most people:

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve...427|1|,00.html

'Apprentice' Finale Ratings Take a Dive

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) The finale for the second season of NBC's "The Apprentice" drew an average of nearly 17 million viewers across its three-hour running time on Thursday (Dec. 16) night. While NBC is trying to put a happy face on those figures, the network will try to ignore the dramatic drop from the show's first season...

The finale was down 43 percent among adults 18-49 from the 13.6 rating done by the first season finale last May. The first season finale, crowning Bill Rancic, attracted 28 million viewers for a hefty 39 percent fall.

The finale saw only a slight improvement over the show's seasonal average of 15.3 million viewers and failed to left NBC over rerun fueled CBS for the overall ratings and viewership crown for the night. Last season, "The Apprentice" averaged 20.7 million viewers per week in its spring run...

I wonder how the quarte-hour ratings went. I nearly dozed off and seriously contemplated surfing when they kept polling Trump's golfing buddies.

DodgingCars 12-18-04 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Needle
She did a fantastic job filling out the Levis. I give her credit for that.

:lol:

Has anyone read the most recent EW? Apparently Kevin wasn't hired because the Apprentice is racist.

Decker 12-18-04 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by BabiG
I don't get what was so great about her "performance". In essence, she said the speech she's been practicing for the last few months, character assasinated Kelly, and in general just took up a lot of empty air time.

Exactly. And I was very suprised that NOBODY pointed out that in the Levi's task, Jen was obtuse to the point of clueless about the stupid wheel, yet unabashedly took almost complete credit for it at the presentation. That was horribly dishonest, even for a lawyer. I understand them not mentioning it right after the task; in real time maybe The Donald didn't know, but now he's seen the show and that move was really unethical and perhaps gave us a glimpse of how Jen has been able to acheive so much (like her "risky" move across the country to work for the largest law firm in the USA. I'm still a little fuzzy about what the risk was, did she travel by covered wagon?). Anyone who watched the season would know what an underwhelming performer she was. And pointing out how she was the president of her sorority? That's pretty sad. Did she really think that was going to put her over the top? [Donald] Chi Omega? Oh my God, they're so cool! Kelly, you're Fired![/Donald]
Having said all that though, I agree with John comment that she was being "thrown under a bus". It wasn't fair, was completely unnecessary and I felt bad for her as a result.

shoppingbear 12-18-04 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by Decker
...her "risky" move across the country to work for the largest law firm in the USA. I'm still a little fuzzy about what the risk was, did she travel by covered wagon?
...And pointing out how she was the president of her sorority? That's pretty sad. Did she really think that was going to put her over the top? [Donald] Chi Omega? Oh my God, they're so cool! Kelly, you're Fired![/Donald]

:rotfl:
Yep, completely agree. Also about her "speech" at the end. Any good lawyer is a good speech-giver, so I wasn't impressed.


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