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Patman 12-16-04 09:30 PM

Did Jenn M just take the compliments meant for Jenn C? HAHAHAHAH!!!

TwineTime 12-16-04 09:31 PM

Terrible, terrible finale and choice.

My disgust at this overinflated buffoon has never been greater.

j123vt_99 12-16-04 09:33 PM

trump's secretary is a hottie

oh good.. sugar ray leonard is there

movieking 12-16-04 09:38 PM

I think that Trump has a hard on for Andy.

Rogue588 12-16-04 09:44 PM

Imagine my surprise when I turned to kill time watching a repeat of er, when my trusty IO box told me that the Apprentice was on for THREE hours..

I imagine this thing was streched out more than Trump's comb-over..

Rogue588 12-16-04 09:48 PM

oh, and according to TV Guide.com


Spoiler:
Question: When will Apprentice 3 start accepting applications? — David

Ausiello: Um, five months ago. The third edition already taped and is slated to premiere next month. Here's some scoop to tide you over, Dave: This time, the teams will be divided by book smarts versus street smarts, not along gender lines. And the first task will be held at Burger King, where the high school grads and the college grads compete to see who can come up with the most enticing new menu item. How 'bout some peanut butter fro-yo, people!


j123vt_99 12-16-04 09:49 PM

#3 starts on jan 20... i like the twist.. i think

movieking 12-16-04 09:51 PM

Sandy and Troy were not picked because they were not as educated in my opinion. Too bad they couldn't be a part of S3.

S3 is starting way too soon. Give me a chance to miss the show before showing it down my throat again.

ClarkKentKY 12-16-04 09:51 PM

When does the next survivor start?

Patman 12-16-04 09:56 PM

I think another one of those NY apartment complex was built in the time this Apprentice special got done.

Bill Needle 12-16-04 09:57 PM

Why is it that the winner and runner-up are completely ignored after the moment Trump announces the winner? Other than choosing between the two jobs, neither was asked a single question or gave a single comment, and they were on camera a total of maybe 30 secinds between them for the last 45 minutes of the show.

If I remember correctly, the 1st season finale was similar. Almost no comment whatsoever from Bill, not even a "How does it feel to win?" Nothing.

Edit: OK, finally in the limo ride the winner says a sentence or two over the closing credits.

j123vt_99 12-16-04 09:57 PM

i hope we get to hear the theme song again

j123vt_99 12-16-04 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Needle
Why is it that the winner and runner-up are completely ignored after the moment Trump announces the winner? Other than choosing between the two jobs, neither was asked a single question or gave a single comment, and they were on camera a total of maybe 30 secinds between them for the last 45 minutes of the show.

If I remember correctly, the 1st season finale was similar. Almost no comment whatsoever from Bill, not even a "How does it feel to win?" Nothing.


to be fair, does anyone really care? they are just going to say they were lucky and wish the loser their best

Bill Needle 12-16-04 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by j123vt_99
to be fair, does anyone really care? they are just going to say they were lucky and wish the loser their best

I guess we'll never know -wink-

Bill Needle 12-16-04 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by ClarkKentKY
When does the next survivor start?

February IIRC. Expect both Survivor and Apprentice to wrap during May sweeps.

j123vt_99 12-16-04 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Needle
I guess we'll never know -wink-

or we can watch the Today show, Leno, Conan, and every show that will have this doof on

Bill Needle 12-16-04 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by j123vt_99
or we can watch the Today show, Leno, Conan, and every show that will have this doof on

Will Trump and the rest be appearing with them? Nope. Will even 1/10th of the audience that was tuned in tonight tune in? Nope. Is it the same as hearing from them in the moments after the reveal of a months long contest on a live show? Nope.

It is like interviewing coaches from the teams that didn't make the playoffs instead of the winning and losing teams of the Super Bowl on the field moments after the final gun...completely missing the moment. The next day, only fans of the winners care any more. A stupid loss of opportunity on the producer's part.

HotThang 12-16-04 10:36 PM

OK this is kind of Apprentice related. The season 3 contestants, the one at the very end that says "All of us you can relate to" looks EXACTLY like a woman that was on another reality show a while back except she has died her hair black. It was that show on Fox where the contestants were in a spooky town and had to solve a mystery. I think the winner was actually a fireman that died later in the Twin Towers on 9/11. She was really a beyotch and everyone hated her. I was just curious if anyone remembers the show and thought it was her as well.

Anyways... yeah Kelly! I did not like Jen AT ALL!

Sam

Jadzia 12-16-04 10:50 PM

Man this show made the Oscars seem short.

DRG 12-16-04 11:39 PM

Still not impressed with Kelly. Jen made more glaring mistakes, and Kelly is probably a better leader if everyone stays on track. But when things go all to hell, Kelly will just sit there and look baffled. Jen actually thrives under pressure, it's during the smooth sailing that she comes across as aimless and lost.

Bill Needle 12-17-04 12:14 AM

To me Jen just came off as pushy and argumentative when the pressure was applied, especially in the board room. Talking loudly over someone isn't the same thing as out-debating or out-smarting them. That's fine for political shout-shows, but useless for almost anything constructive. I don't understand why Trump fell for that so many times. Or was it just good for the drama maybe? After all, he could have decided the winner in week 1 and we would never know. And speaking of drama, for someone who claimed to look so down upon those who partook in drama and cattiness, Jen sure obsessed about it. Kelly seemed quietly efficient, and didn't grandstand. That's not the same thing as being baffled. Just because you're not anxiously pacing or bellowing doesn't mean you're not handling pressure. In fact, quite the opposite.

I think the most telling thing in the end was that the business leaders, CEOs, etc., were universal in their support for Kelly. These people were face to face with these folks in an actual formal business like situation (interviews) without any grandstanding or an opponent shouting over their interaction. The person they would prefer most to keep around in the real world was unanimous.

Anyway, it was pretty clear who came from a business/military background and who came from a law firm.

BizRodian 12-17-04 12:54 AM

Three hours is just too long. I watched all season, but skipped it tonight.

the narrator 12-17-04 12:58 AM

Not a big surprise that Kelly won. I thought him and Kevin were the only 2 that had a really good shot at winning after the first few tasks. As soon as Kevin was gone, I thought it was all Kelly's to win

Tarnower 12-17-04 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Needle
To me Jen just came off as pushy and argumentative when the pressure was applied, especially in the board room. Talking loudly over someone isn't the same thing as out-debating or out-smarting them. That's fine for political shout-shows, but useless for almost anything constructive. I don't understand why Trump fell for that so many times. Or was it just good for the drama maybe? After all, he could have decided the winner in week 1 and we would never know. And speaking of drama, for someone who claimed to look so down upon those who partook in drama and cattiness, Jen sure obsessed about it. Kelly seemed quietly efficient, and didn't grandstand. That's not the same thing as being baffled. Just because you're not anxiously pacing or bellowing doesn't mean you're not handling pressure. In fact, quite the opposite.

I think the most telling thing in the end was that the business leaders, CEOs, etc., were universal in their support for Kelly. These people were face to face with these folks in an actual formal business like situation (interviews) without any grandstanding or an opponent shouting over their interaction. The person they would prefer most to keep around in the real world was unanimous.

Anyway, it was pretty clear who came from a business/military background and who came from a law firm.

This is the best post in the thread. I agree with everything you just said.

A poster in the earlier portion of this thread called Kelly's military experience BS. What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's not BS, it's a much-coveted, highly respected background that most bosses, when hiring a candidate, look upon with admiration for the many positive aspects that are derived from being trained in the upper ranks of the military. Kelly's military background was a huge advantage. Trump's questioning seemed more of a psychological hotbutton designed for Kelly's responsive defense. It's not BS when almost every interviewer for Trump underlined and accentuated the importance of it.

j123vt_99 12-17-04 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Needle
Will Trump and the rest be appearing with them? Nope. Will even 1/10th of the audience that was tuned in tonight tune in? Nope. Is it the same as hearing from them in the moments after the reveal of a months long contest on a live show? Nope.

It is like interviewing coaches from the teams that didn't make the playoffs instead of the winning and losing teams of the Super Bowl on the field moments after the final gun...completely missing the moment. The next day, only fans of the winners care any more. A stupid loss of opportunity on the producer's part.

I guess we differ on that.. Because I never heard a winning/losing coach or player say anything of any value. they say the same thing everytime

iggystar 12-17-04 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Needle
And speaking of drama, for someone who claimed to look so down upon those who partook in drama and cattiness, Jen sure obsessed about it. Kelly seemed quietly efficient, and didn't grandstand. That's not the same thing as being baffled. Just because you're not anxiously pacing or bellowing doesn't mean you're not handling pressure. In fact, quite the opposite.

I think the most telling thing in the end was that the business leaders, CEOs, etc., were universal in their support for Kelly.

I also think your post is right on point, excellently worded and exactly how I feel.

The right choice was made.

Red Dog 12-17-04 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
Man this show made the Oscars seem short.


:lol: No kidding. Thanks goodness there is the DVR. I think I watched this in 90 minutes.

Kelly wins - what a surprise. :lol:

How bad must Jen have felt sitting there at the beginning when all the major business people said Kelly should be hired.

I would have taken Vegas in a heartbeat.

LiquidSky 12-17-04 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Bill Needle
To me Jen just came off as pushy and argumentative when the pressure was applied, especially in the board room. Talking loudly over someone isn't the same thing as out-debating or out-smarting them. That's fine for political shout-shows, but useless for almost anything constructive. I don't understand why Trump fell for that so many times. Or was it just good for the drama maybe? After all, he could have decided the winner in week 1 and we would never know. And speaking of drama, for someone who claimed to look so down upon those who partook in drama and cattiness, Jen sure obsessed about it. Kelly seemed quietly efficient, and didn't grandstand. That's not the same thing as being baffled. Just because you're not anxiously pacing or bellowing doesn't mean you're not handling pressure. In fact, quite the opposite.

Agreed. I wonder how Jen is in the courtroom? I'm a Paralegal and have assisted in many trials. The best attorney I have worked with and who I learned the most from is very intelligent/tough but she is also subtle in her approach. I find the theatrics/grand-standing/shouting/sighing/eye-rolling of opposing counsel ridiculous. This type of behavior in a courtroom usually alienates the Judge and the jury.

Glad Kelly won.

Red Dog 12-17-04 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by LiquidSky
Agreed. I wonder how Jen is in the courtroom? I'm a Paralegal and have assisted in many trials. The best attorney I have worked with and who I learned the most from is very intelligent/tough but she is also subtle in her approach. I find the theatrics/grand-standing/shouting/sighing/eye-rolling of opposing counsel ridiculous. This type of behavior in a courtroom usually alienates the Judge and the jury.

Glad Kelly won.


I would be surprised if she is a litigator.

Bill Needle 12-17-04 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by j123vt_99
I guess we differ on that.. Because I never heard a winning/losing coach or player say anything of any value. they say the same thing everytime

Even if I grant that, it's still more relevant than concentrating on non-participants.

Schloob1 12-17-04 08:58 AM

When I went to bed last night, I was a little concerned when I saw that no one had really ripped on Jen at all yet, now I am relieved. She clearly was only good at being one thing, a "DEFENSE" lawyer, so of course she could defend herself in the boardroom. When it came down to it throughout the show she was not that good at all, and truly flew under the radar. More importantly I could not stop laughing when she said she had "integrity" and kept repeating this to Trump like as if Kelly did not have it. Gee, does someone with any bit of integrity take credit for someone else's idea. They even replayed the jean episode moment when they tried to highlight Jen's greatest moments when she was given praise right in front of Trump from the Levi's president. Everyone else remember how "smart" this Harvard/Princeton grad was when Ivana was explaining the concept of the jean wheel. If there was ever a person to help prolong the stereotype of "dumb blonde" who else has? She may be "intelligent" but lacks any common sense whatsoever, and that is also very important. And since I did not remember what Kelly did in the military, the second they said he was an Airborne Ranger I definitely knew he was cut out from Trump even though I thought he was a slam dunk for the job last week before almost everyone else affirmed it in the audience.

candyrocket786 12-17-04 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
oh, and according to TV Guide.com
Spoiler:

Question: When will Apprentice 3 start accepting applications? — David

Ausiello: Um, five months ago. The third edition already taped and is slated to premiere next month. Here's some scoop to tide you over, Dave: This time, the teams will be divided by book smarts versus street smarts, not along gender lines. And the first task will be held at Burger King, where the high school grads and the college grads compete to see who can come up with the most enticing new menu item. How 'bout some peanut butter fro-yo, people!

What's the point?
Spoiler:
Based on the last two seasons, it's obvious Trump (or his people) will definitely not hire anyone in group 2. I don't care if the SS applicant wins all the challenges and is the PM for every single one of them....in the end.....TRUMP WILL NOT HIRE THEIR ASS!!!

Red Dog 12-17-04 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by candyrocket786
What's the point?
Spoiler:
Based on the last two seasons, it's obvious Trump (or his people) will definitely not hire anyone in group 2. I don't care if the SS applicant wins all the challenges and is the PM for every single one of them....in the end.....TRUMP WILL NOT HIRE THEIR ASS!!!


That's true if you believe that the Apprentices actually do real management work once they are hired.

Demontooth 12-17-04 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by j123vt_99
I guess we differ on that.. Because I never heard a winning/losing coach or player say anything of any value. they say the same thing everytime

I'm just happy to be here, I have 52 guys in this locker room that give 110% everyday. We try to take things 1 game at a time.

Toad 12-17-04 09:49 AM

What was up with Trump's COO who couldn't even speak - it was like he was getting choked up after he said "Well, Donald, you know I do not like Jen at all..." then they had some weird cuts, and then he just sits down.

Anyone know?



FWIW, I think Kelly was the best choice. Jen is just a bitch, and she skirted by the entire time, flying under the radar, never taking on important tasks. She's rude, she interrupts, she's snappy. Just worthless. I'm sure she skirts by in her law practice as well.

Toad 12-17-04 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by LiquidSky
Agreed. I wonder how Jen is in the courtroom? I'm a Paralegal and have assisted in many trials. The best attorney I have worked with and who I learned the most from is very intelligent/tough but she is also subtle in her approach. I find the theatrics/grand-standing/shouting/sighing/eye-rolling of opposing counsel ridiculous. This type of behavior in a courtroom usually alienates the Judge and the jury.

Glad Kelly won.

While I agree with you, who knows if she is even a litigator. She might be stuck in some office drafting wills all day, etc. But, if she is a litigator, I am positive that judges would find all those theatrics you described as very unprofessional. She addressed Trump and George as if they were her equals - Kelly spoke very respectfully, and I am sure that was one of the factors in hiring him --- he has a respect for authority.

P.S. Which did he take --- NY or Las Vegas? I would've jumped on the NYC thing in a heartbeat --- there is not a comparison b/w NYC and Las Vegas. Yuck.

GuessWho 12-17-04 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Red Dog
That's true if you believe that the Apprentices actually do real management work once they are hired.

Know what Bil Rancic actually does? Sells residential condos for the to-be-built Trump tower here.

He's a real estate salesman, not "president of one of my companies"

Toad 12-17-04 10:00 AM

He might do that now, but at first he oversaw the completion of the building, didn't he?

Red Dog 12-17-04 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Toad

P.S. Which did he take --- NY or Las Vegas? I would've jumped on the NYC thing in a heartbeat --- there is not a comparison b/w NYC and Las Vegas. Yuck.


I thought just the opposite. :lol: He took NYC because he wanted to be closer to Trump. Awwww, isn't that sweet.

I already commented that I would be surprised if Jen was a litigator.

Red Dog 12-17-04 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by GuessWho
Know what Bil Rancic actually does? Sells residential condos for the to-be-built Trump tower here.

He's a real estate salesman, not "president of one of my companies"


Well this wouldn't surprise me in the least.


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