The Apprentice - 9\23
09-24-04 | 02:08 PM
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wow, the woman's team were really catty and downright mean to Stacy J. You kind of know she wouldn't have survived much longer, but that was surprising and ugly how they ganged up on her there.
09-24-04 | 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Giles
wow, the woman's team were really catty and downright mean to Stacy J. You kind of know she wouldn't have survived much longer, but that was surprising and ugly how they ganged up on her there.
wow, the woman's team were really catty and downright mean to Stacy J. You kind of know she wouldn't have survived much longer, but that was surprising and ugly how they ganged up on her there.
I could not see Stacie J winning or running a company but the way some of those chicks exaggerated about her made me embarrassed to have a vagina.
You feared for your life? Um, okay. Was that the Magic 8-Ball of Death?
09-24-04 | 02:21 PM
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I had just watched the "Mean Girls" DVD the night before, and it all seemed very consistent with Tina Fey's take on how women act toward each other in a competitive environment...
09-24-04 | 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Jadzia
You feared for your life? Um, okay. Was that the Magic 8-Ball of Death?
You feared for your life? Um, okay. Was that the Magic 8-Ball of Death?
09-24-04 | 11:24 PM
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Well Stacie J didn't last to long that comes as no suprise and she didn't do a very good job defending herself in the boardroom either. What I find really strange is that Trump told Maria to get the other team members back into the boardroom can you say ratings stunt?
09-24-04 | 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Alyoshka
Bradford did a good job but was fired because Trump goaded him into giving up his immunity. Then Trump ran around this week pointing out to other contestants that they shouldn't make the mistake Bradford did. Come on, there was no mistake. Look, at how Trump himself created the infrastructure of his game. These people are in their mini-corporations. Bradford gave up his individual immunity to try to repair some of the divisions in his corporation. He made a selfless decision to help his company. Trump got it wrong when he turned it around to that act being something that would destroy a corporation. No Trump the act wasn't destructive it was constructive. You just plain got it wrong and there was no indication that he would act in a way that would damage his corporation. He never did yet he was fired because he was trying to help his corporation.
Bradford did a good job but was fired because Trump goaded him into giving up his immunity. Then Trump ran around this week pointing out to other contestants that they shouldn't make the mistake Bradford did. Come on, there was no mistake. Look, at how Trump himself created the infrastructure of his game. These people are in their mini-corporations. Bradford gave up his individual immunity to try to repair some of the divisions in his corporation. He made a selfless decision to help his company. Trump got it wrong when he turned it around to that act being something that would destroy a corporation. No Trump the act wasn't destructive it was constructive. You just plain got it wrong and there was no indication that he would act in a way that would damage his corporation. He never did yet he was fired because he was trying to help his corporation.
I outlined why I think Bradford deserved to get fired in last week's Apprentice Thread.
Here's my post from last week. I'll just cut & paste it:
Originally posted by Dabaomb
I think that most of you are giving Bradford way too much credit. There were a few things going against him:
1) NO ONE liked him. That included his female teammates and the guys. They all thought that he was a prick. One of the qualities of a leader is that you have to be likeable enough to lead your workers and that quality he sorely lacked
2) In the first task, he really did a poor job as a leader despite the fact that he won. He was trying to be a dictator and that style doesn't always flow esp when you're a guy with 8 females.
3) In the board room he called Carolyn the wrong name. She gave him stupid faces from that point on. She clearly didn't like him after that incident.
4) He sold out his own team in the boardroom. He did what that Asian girl did last year and basically said that his teammates were all morons. He knew that he had immunity so he had the right to talk and blab and say that he was awesome and that everyone else was an idiot. Even if he did last through this week, his teammates would've hated him even more cuz he was undermining the team. In that situation, I would've kept my mouth shut cuz if he didn't say anything, he would've been fine. Instead he acted all cocky and basically gave himself a chance to lose a no lose situation.
5) He gave up his immunity. He may have been the best salesman for this task but what a moronic move that was. In business, if he's gonna lead a company, he can't take idiotic risks like that esp. when the risk/reward is zero.
True he was a good salesman, but he lacked in basically every other category.
I think that if he didn't go, Trump would've fired Ivana cuz she was a poor leader, he hates her name, and he wants to keep Stacy J around as a villain type figure. (She's more of an idiot than a villain).
Like someone else posted, Trump wanted the Project Mgr to bring in a third person so that the blame could be passed onto another person to decrease the PM's chances of getting fired (from 33% to 25%). He did this with Pamela last week as well so it wasn't focused specifically on her but all the PMs.
Ivana was obviously gonna bring in Stacy J cuz she wanted her gone. She didn't know who else to bring in so she brought in Bradford when he made his retarded move. She just brought in the third talkative girl cuz she was hoping tha she could use that girl to tag team on Stacy J. Her plan was to get Stacy J fired plain and simple.
To the poster that said that Stacy J looks like Cameron Diaz, you must be smokin' some good ish
I think that most of you are giving Bradford way too much credit. There were a few things going against him:
1) NO ONE liked him. That included his female teammates and the guys. They all thought that he was a prick. One of the qualities of a leader is that you have to be likeable enough to lead your workers and that quality he sorely lacked
2) In the first task, he really did a poor job as a leader despite the fact that he won. He was trying to be a dictator and that style doesn't always flow esp when you're a guy with 8 females.
3) In the board room he called Carolyn the wrong name. She gave him stupid faces from that point on. She clearly didn't like him after that incident.
4) He sold out his own team in the boardroom. He did what that Asian girl did last year and basically said that his teammates were all morons. He knew that he had immunity so he had the right to talk and blab and say that he was awesome and that everyone else was an idiot. Even if he did last through this week, his teammates would've hated him even more cuz he was undermining the team. In that situation, I would've kept my mouth shut cuz if he didn't say anything, he would've been fine. Instead he acted all cocky and basically gave himself a chance to lose a no lose situation.
5) He gave up his immunity. He may have been the best salesman for this task but what a moronic move that was. In business, if he's gonna lead a company, he can't take idiotic risks like that esp. when the risk/reward is zero.
True he was a good salesman, but he lacked in basically every other category.
I think that if he didn't go, Trump would've fired Ivana cuz she was a poor leader, he hates her name, and he wants to keep Stacy J around as a villain type figure. (She's more of an idiot than a villain).
Like someone else posted, Trump wanted the Project Mgr to bring in a third person so that the blame could be passed onto another person to decrease the PM's chances of getting fired (from 33% to 25%). He did this with Pamela last week as well so it wasn't focused specifically on her but all the PMs.
Ivana was obviously gonna bring in Stacy J cuz she wanted her gone. She didn't know who else to bring in so she brought in Bradford when he made his retarded move. She just brought in the third talkative girl cuz she was hoping tha she could use that girl to tag team on Stacy J. Her plan was to get Stacy J fired plain and simple.
To the poster that said that Stacy J looks like Cameron Diaz, you must be smokin' some good ish
09-24-04 | 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by DJ_Spyder
Well Stacie J didn't last to long that comes as no suprise and she didn't do a very good job defending herself in the boardroom either. What I find really strange is that Trump told Maria to get the other team members back into the boardroom can you say ratings stunt?
Well Stacie J didn't last to long that comes as no suprise and she didn't do a very good job defending herself in the boardroom either. What I find really strange is that Trump told Maria to get the other team members back into the boardroom can you say ratings stunt?
09-25-04 | 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by Dabaomb
I agree 100% with WillieTheShakes.
I outlined why I think Bradford deserved to get fired in last week's Apprentice Thread.
I agree 100% with WillieTheShakes.
I outlined why I think Bradford deserved to get fired in last week's Apprentice Thread.
If you can give me ONE good reason that his decision in any way reflects on how he would act in business I'd be very impressed. Very, very, very impressed. You can't do. Trump couldn't even do it. He just said it was implusive. Yet on other shows Trump brags about how he is impulsive. It doesn't make any logical sense.
09-25-04 | 05:05 AM
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I'm actually looking forward to seeing the expanded boardroom on Saturday night, I am wondering if it will shed more light on Trump's decision.
I have noticed that the editing causes you to have more perspective on things. For instance, last week in the Thursday show they made it look like Stacie J hired that temp agency on her own, but in the Saturday show it was actually revealed that Ivana had assigned her that task!
I have noticed that the editing causes you to have more perspective on things. For instance, last week in the Thursday show they made it look like Stacie J hired that temp agency on her own, but in the Saturday show it was actually revealed that Ivana had assigned her that task!
09-25-04 | 05:23 AM
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Isn't the Apprentice only an hour tonight? How can they expand the boardroom scenes? If they do, I am assuming that they will cut some other scenes? I can't see them doing that.
09-25-04 | 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Alyoshka
I agreed last week. At first I thought that Bradford deserved about it. Then I thought about it logically and it just doesn't make any sense. For the two purposes of this show: to provide entertainment and to find a good candidate it doesn't make sense to get rid of Bradford. Giving the OPTION of immunity does not mean that you HAVE to take it. That wouldn't be an option. Watch the episode again, Bradford was in absolutely NO danger of being cut because he did better than more than three other people on his team. Therefore the immunity is unnecessary. Trump made the decision against both of his advisors because he wanted to generate a buzz. That is the reason why all the previews for the show acted like this would be the biggest thing to ever happen in the boardroom. Well Trump, just like you've been wrong in so many of your business decisions, you were wrong with this tv decision. Nobody cared. It didn't really create any buzz. It wasn't worth cutting Bradford at that point.
If you can give me ONE good reason that his decision in any way reflects on how he would act in business I'd be very impressed. Very, very, very impressed. You can't do. Trump couldn't even do it. He just said it was implusive. Yet on other shows Trump brags about how he is impulsive. It doesn't make any logical sense.
I agreed last week. At first I thought that Bradford deserved about it. Then I thought about it logically and it just doesn't make any sense. For the two purposes of this show: to provide entertainment and to find a good candidate it doesn't make sense to get rid of Bradford. Giving the OPTION of immunity does not mean that you HAVE to take it. That wouldn't be an option. Watch the episode again, Bradford was in absolutely NO danger of being cut because he did better than more than three other people on his team. Therefore the immunity is unnecessary. Trump made the decision against both of his advisors because he wanted to generate a buzz. That is the reason why all the previews for the show acted like this would be the biggest thing to ever happen in the boardroom. Well Trump, just like you've been wrong in so many of your business decisions, you were wrong with this tv decision. Nobody cared. It didn't really create any buzz. It wasn't worth cutting Bradford at that point.
If you can give me ONE good reason that his decision in any way reflects on how he would act in business I'd be very impressed. Very, very, very impressed. You can't do. Trump couldn't even do it. He just said it was implusive. Yet on other shows Trump brags about how he is impulsive. It doesn't make any logical sense.
I went to business school and worked in the business world (I just quit on Tuesday but will be going back into business just in a different field) so I know a lil bit about business. Granted, I don't know it all but I do know the qualities of a leader. Bradford had some but he was sorely lacking in one important quality, i.e. earning the respect of those under you.
09-25-04 | 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Patman
Regardless, the promos promised 15 extra minutes of the boardroom catfighting.
Regardless, the promos promised 15 extra minutes of the boardroom catfighting.
Also, unless I'm mistaken, this ep was only ~53 minutes long.
09-26-04 | 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Dabaomb
Did you even read my post? All of my reasons posted are valid reasons why he wouldn't have been a good choice.
I went to business school and worked in the business world (I just quit on Tuesday but will be going back into business just in a different field) so I know a lil bit about business. Granted, I don't know it all but I do know the qualities of a leader. Bradford had some but he was sorely lacking in one important quality, i.e. earning the respect of those under you.
Did you even read my post? All of my reasons posted are valid reasons why he wouldn't have been a good choice.
I went to business school and worked in the business world (I just quit on Tuesday but will be going back into business just in a different field) so I know a lil bit about business. Granted, I don't know it all but I do know the qualities of a leader. Bradford had some but he was sorely lacking in one important quality, i.e. earning the respect of those under you.
09-26-04 | 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Alyoshka
Out of his group he would make a better leader than most of those other people. At least from what we can tell. I think that the editing of the show made it seem like he had less respect than he really had. Even when he was selling ice cream most of the people on his team were saying that he was a damn good salesperson. They had respect for him.
Out of his group he would make a better leader than most of those other people. At least from what we can tell. I think that the editing of the show made it seem like he had less respect than he really had. Even when he was selling ice cream most of the people on his team were saying that he was a damn good salesperson. They had respect for him.
I'd also say that Bradford was probably better than most of the women but I'd say that there's a high probability that the apprentice won't be from the female team. Trump seems like a male pig so I doubt that he'd pick a female neways.
He had to fire Bradford cuz he made a bonehead move. The risk/reward ratio was 100% risk, 0% rewards. No one in their right mind would take those odds.
09-26-04 | 09:09 AM
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Little Stacy is the snarky one. She's the one that pressed the Crazie Stacie angle which saved either Elizabeth or Maria. It was fun but sad to watch those 2 imcompetent women pile on Crazie Stacie when they saw an opportunity to save themselves at another's expense.
What it means is that Trump has no hard-and-fast criteria as to whom he fires, and the tasks teams perform have little bearing in being the criteria for the losing team members dismissals. The show is getting lamer in this respect. The "It's just business" line is being shown to be a fraud.
What it means is that Trump has no hard-and-fast criteria as to whom he fires, and the tasks teams perform have little bearing in being the criteria for the losing team members dismissals. The show is getting lamer in this respect. The "It's just business" line is being shown to be a fraud.
09-26-04 | 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Patman
What it means is that Trump has no hard-and-fast criteria as to whom he fires, and the tasks teams perform have little bearing in being the criteria for the losing team members dismissals. The show is getting lamer in this respect. The "It's just business" line is being shown to be a fraud.
What it means is that Trump has no hard-and-fast criteria as to whom he fires, and the tasks teams perform have little bearing in being the criteria for the losing team members dismissals. The show is getting lamer in this respect. The "It's just business" line is being shown to be a fraud.
As many people have pointed out that the "Survivor-inspired" behavior and strategy are frequently observed in the board room, while task-related accountability has been tossed aside. So far no Project Manger has been fired for a failed task, no wonder Mosaic has to choose its PM by drawing since there is only a minimum downside risk, at least for the short-term.
BTW, they should have used "It's just ratings" as their new slogan.
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09-26-04 | 04:14 PM
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I'm really surprised the women couldn't get more people for the Mike Piazza appearance. What they should've done (and they may have, but I didn't hear any mention of it) was stay up the night before bombarding NY Mets/baseball/sports message boards on the net with the news.
I actually like the big company related tasks this season. The tasks like the lemonade and whatnot last season just didn't seem to have as much real application to running a corporation.
I actually like the big company related tasks this season. The tasks like the lemonade and whatnot last season just didn't seem to have as much real application to running a corporation.
09-26-04 | 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Jadzia
I have noticed that the editing causes you to have more perspective on things. For instance, last week in the Thursday show they made it look like Stacie J hired that temp agency on her own, but in the Saturday show it was actually revealed that Ivana had assigned her that task!
I have noticed that the editing causes you to have more perspective on things. For instance, last week in the Thursday show they made it look like Stacie J hired that temp agency on her own, but in the Saturday show it was actually revealed that Ivana had assigned her that task!
While I agree she didn't do much to defend herself in the boardroom, she probably knew no matter what she said she still was on the fast track to be fired.
One thing she said, now that she's gone now they can focus on each other, is really true. Can't wait to see the meltdown next week.
09-26-04 | 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Dabaomb
He had to fire Bradford cuz he made a bonehead move. The risk/reward ratio was 100% risk, 0% rewards. No one in their right mind would take those odds.
He had to fire Bradford cuz he made a bonehead move. The risk/reward ratio was 100% risk, 0% rewards. No one in their right mind would take those odds.
09-26-04 | 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Alyoshka
That's actually far from true. There is a good chance for reward in situations like this. Actually, people do it all the time in everyday life and in business. I'm sure that you can think of plenty of times if you were to think about it. Showing that you are confident in your work and that you don't have to rely on handouts can be quite beneficial. Besides, that wasn't the reason that Trump fired him. Trump fired him because he equated a personal move that Bradford made with a potential business move. There was absolutely no indication from Bradford's two weeks on the show that he takes huge chances with the business. Rather he was quite focused on always doing the best thing for the team.
That's actually far from true. There is a good chance for reward in situations like this. Actually, people do it all the time in everyday life and in business. I'm sure that you can think of plenty of times if you were to think about it. Showing that you are confident in your work and that you don't have to rely on handouts can be quite beneficial. Besides, that wasn't the reason that Trump fired him. Trump fired him because he equated a personal move that Bradford made with a potential business move. There was absolutely no indication from Bradford's two weeks on the show that he takes huge chances with the business. Rather he was quite focused on always doing the best thing for the team.
I still stand by my 100% risk, 0% reward statement. He should've just shut his mouth during that boardroom. By speaking, he was alienating his team cuz he was basically sayin' that they sucked. Even worse, he gave up his immunity like a moron.
Bradford is someone that just likes hearing himself talk and this time it led to his downfall (what do you expect, he's a lawyer).