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Old 04-25-04 | 02:50 PM
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Butchering the Star Trek timeline

I thought about this from all the people that say that Enterprise screws up the timeline. Can anyone remember from the TV series or movies when the timeline was screwed up?


One time that I remember was in the last episode of TNG. Worf and Riker were at odds because of Troi. Then in DS9 Worf marries Dax and Troi is out of the picture.
Old 04-25-04 | 04:24 PM
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That was negated at the end of the episode of TNG because Picard told Riker and Worf about the future he saw. He didn't want it to turn out that way.


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I remember getting pissed off when we saw the "secret origin" of 7 of 9. It turns out that when she was a kid, her parents were secretly following the Borg. But wait a minute? Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.

It pissed me to no end, though. If I shouldn't be pissed off about this, let me know, please.

Even if I'm correct that this was a "screw up," I'm sure it wasn't the first. Just my two cents.
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In the first Romulan appearance on TNG- Both the Federation and Romulans were experiencing attacks on their outposts. That would be the Borg.
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When Scotty came back in an episode of TNG, he claimed he knew Captain Kirk would rescue him...but Scotty already knew Captain Kirk was dead!

(Of course this is because GENERATIONS was filmed AFTER the episode Scotty came back...but for Scotty, GENERATIONS happened BEFORE "RELICS")
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Kirk was missing, because as we know, Kirk doesn't die.
Old 04-25-04 | 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Laertes
I remember getting pissed off when we saw the "secret origin" of 7 of 9. It turns out that when she was a kid, her parents were secretly following the Borg. But wait a minute? Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.

It pissed me to no end, though. If I shouldn't be pissed off about this, let me know, please.

Even if I'm correct that this was a "screw up," I'm sure it wasn't the first. Just my two cents.
Also, in Generations, Guinan's people are refugee's from the Borg and they had massacred them. So Starfleet may have known about them for decades, but not everyone, including Picard, were told. Seven's parents may have heard it thru the grapevine and struck out on their own.


You know, too many internet fanboys constantly claim they could do a show/movie better then producers, and it's your basic smoke-up-ass blowing, but I think in this case, a fan sitting on the set with Bjo's Concordance the the Okuda Chronology would be a good thing.
Old 04-25-04 | 10:48 PM
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When Scotty came back in an episode of TNG, he claimed he knew Captain Kirk would rescue him...but Scotty already knew Captain Kirk was dead!
He'd just spent 80 years in a transporter feedback loop...cut him some slack.
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I'm surprised that Star Trek has all these holes in the story, you'd think the writers would of done a better job.
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Originally posted by milo bloom
Also, in Generations, Guinan's people are refugee's from the Borg and they had massacred them. So Starfleet may have known about them for decades, but not everyone, including Picard, were told. Seven's parents may have heard it thru the grapevine and struck out on their own.
And Guinan admitted to Picard that she knew exactly who Q was talking about in that same episode. Why the El Aurians were so quiet about it, I don't really know. The best explaination is, like milo writes, that the Hansens set out to look for the Borg themselves after hearing the rumours. (And it was established onscreen that they got their ship caught in a Transwarp conduit, following a Borg cube too closely, which is how thwey got sucked into the Delta Quad.)

All this could've been avoided if they had simply made Seven a humanoid of some kind. All the same stuff they later did would have worked (such as it did...)
Old 04-26-04 | 06:05 AM
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I'm surprised that Star Trek has all these holes in the story, you'd think the writers would of done a better job.
Considering there have been 5 series and 10 movies over the space of 30 some odd years I'm surprised there aren't more holes. Or did you forget the

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Kirk was missing, because as we know, Kirk doesn't die.
But everyone PRESUMED he was dead. Remember Riker in Generations when talking about it..."That was the mission where James Kirk was killed."
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Considering there have been 5 series and 10 movies over the space of 30 some odd years I'm surprised there aren't more holes.
On the surface, I'd agree. However, there certainly are no shortage of "experts" on the ST timeline who could be consulted.
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just remembered the last episode of season 1 TNG. They found the cryo ship with the people in there and healed them. One of the people talked about all his investments that should be worth a fortune, etc. How could that be when that was the time of Khan sezing control and world war breaking out?
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Originally posted by al_bundy
just remembered the last episode of season 1 TNG. They found the cryo ship with the people in there and healed them. One of the people talked about all his investments that should be worth a fortune, etc. How could that be when that was the time of Khan sezing control and world war breaking out?
Just read "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox and the whole Khan timeline thing will be cleared up.
Old 04-26-04 | 12:14 PM
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Just read "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox and the whole Khan timeline thing will be cleared up.
Just out of curiosity, what happened it that book?

By the way, in an episode of DS9, they pushed the Eugenics Wars up a century or two. So I guess they didn't happen in the 1990s.
Old 04-26-04 | 12:24 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what happened in that book?
Spoiler:
The first two books really revolve around Gary Seven and Roberta. He does an impressive job of weaving a lot of latter 20th Century history (both Trek and real world) in such a way to give Khan his send off on the Botany Bay.

Here's a Amazon.com review that sums up things nicely:

"Cox's challenge as a 21st Century writer was to mesh this fictional history with such real-life events as India's first nuclear test in 1974, the Bhopal accident and Indira Gandhi's assasination in 1984, the Reagan-Gorbachev Iceland Summit in 1986, and the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, among others. In these 20th Century episodes, Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln (who first appeared in the proposed pilot for Gene Roddenberry's "Assignment: Earth" series)investigate a secret project code-named "Chrysalis." Led by the brilliant but cold-blooded Dr. Sarina Kaur, a team of genetic experts is tweaking human DNA to bring forth a "superior" breed of humanity...a breed which is destined to supplant the existing "flawed" population of the planet.

Cox adds to the fun by adding cameos by other Star Trek characters, including Gillian Taylor from Star Trek IV, Redjac from the Classic Series' "Wolf in the Fold," and Ralph Offenhouse from The Next Generation's "The Neutral Zone." And while his basic plotline resembles a mix of Star Trek and Tom Clancy novels, he also injects some witty puns and inside jokes which lighten the tone of this chilling narrative set in one of Star Trek's "dark times" of humanity's past. "
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AS ALWAYS CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, ACCORDING TO THE BOOK ENTERPRISE INCIDENT, WASN'T CAPTAIN APRIL THE FIRST CAPTAIN OF THE ENTERPRISE. ITS BEEN 15 PLUS YEARS SINCE I HAVE READ THE BOOK, BUT THE NEW SERIES ENTERPRISE BASICALLY IGNORED IT. THE BOOK WAS ABOUT KIRKS FIRST MISSION ON THE ENTERPRISE AND IT TOLD ABOUT HOW THE STARSHIPS CAME TO BE, TOO INCLUDE THE FIRST TEST RUN WITH CAPTAIN OR COMMANDER APRIL. (I COULD BE COMBINING TWO SEPERATE BOOKS, I HAVE READ WELL OVER 100 BOOKS BASED ON STAR TREK, SO SOMEONE CHECK ME ON THIS)

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April was the first captain of the NCC1701, which was the first Federation starship Enterprise
the federation is not around yet on the show Enterprise, and even the rec deck on the 1701 showed other space ships named enterprise in The Motion Picture so the NX01 (Archer's ship) doesn't really change anything. The new series has crapped on a lot of continuity, but not in the naming of the ship

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The new series has crapped on a lot of continuity, but not in the naming of the ship
The new show has crapped on just about everything that has gone before. I believe B&B&Co figured that, since the series precedes everything else, they can dump everything, devolve the Vulcans, and disinvent Klingonese. That, while expecting loyal Trek fans to mindlessly continue to worship at the alter in spite of the utter contempt they were fed instead of a decent show.
Old 04-26-04 | 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Chew
Just read "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox and the whole Khan timeline thing will be cleared up.
I haven't read the book, so take this with a grain of salt, but from what I understand it's a horrid two-part series that incorporates way too many pop culture references and makes the Eugenics War into some secret that the public doesn't know about.

What I don't understand is why some people think that Star Trek has to exist according to our current history.
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Originally posted by Laertes
Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.
As Q himself has pointed out, the Q are omnipotent, NOT omniscient.
Old 04-28-04 | 11:00 AM
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There is also the Trill thing. Sisko knew Dax's previous host for quite some time yet when Dr. Crusher encounters a trill she has no idea what it is?

Either Sisko was sworn to secrecy or our dear ol' Doctor just signed in to all those CME conferences and just hit the beach instead of attending.


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