Butchering the Star Trek timeline
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Butchering the Star Trek timeline
I thought about this from all the people that say that Enterprise screws up the timeline. Can anyone remember from the TV series or movies when the timeline was screwed up?
One time that I remember was in the last episode of TNG. Worf and Riker were at odds because of Troi. Then in DS9 Worf marries Dax and Troi is out of the picture.
One time that I remember was in the last episode of TNG. Worf and Riker were at odds because of Troi. Then in DS9 Worf marries Dax and Troi is out of the picture.
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That was negated at the end of the episode of TNG because Picard told Riker and Worf about the future he saw. He didn't want it to turn out that way.
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I remember getting pissed off when we saw the "secret origin" of 7 of 9. It turns out that when she was a kid, her parents were secretly following the Borg. But wait a minute? Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.
It pissed me to no end, though. If I shouldn't be pissed off about this, let me know, please.
Even if I'm correct that this was a "screw up," I'm sure it wasn't the first. Just my two cents.
It pissed me to no end, though. If I shouldn't be pissed off about this, let me know, please.
Even if I'm correct that this was a "screw up," I'm sure it wasn't the first. Just my two cents.
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When Scotty came back in an episode of TNG, he claimed he knew Captain Kirk would rescue him...but Scotty already knew Captain Kirk was dead!
(Of course this is because GENERATIONS was filmed AFTER the episode Scotty came back...but for Scotty, GENERATIONS happened BEFORE "RELICS")
(Of course this is because GENERATIONS was filmed AFTER the episode Scotty came back...but for Scotty, GENERATIONS happened BEFORE "RELICS")
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Originally posted by Laertes
I remember getting pissed off when we saw the "secret origin" of 7 of 9. It turns out that when she was a kid, her parents were secretly following the Borg. But wait a minute? Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.
It pissed me to no end, though. If I shouldn't be pissed off about this, let me know, please.
Even if I'm correct that this was a "screw up," I'm sure it wasn't the first. Just my two cents.
I remember getting pissed off when we saw the "secret origin" of 7 of 9. It turns out that when she was a kid, her parents were secretly following the Borg. But wait a minute? Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.
It pissed me to no end, though. If I shouldn't be pissed off about this, let me know, please.
Even if I'm correct that this was a "screw up," I'm sure it wasn't the first. Just my two cents.
You know, too many internet fanboys constantly claim they could do a show/movie better then producers, and it's your basic smoke-up-ass blowing, but I think in this case, a fan sitting on the set with Bjo's Concordance the the Okuda Chronology would be a good thing.
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Originally posted by Shannon Nutt
When Scotty came back in an episode of TNG, he claimed he knew Captain Kirk would rescue him...but Scotty already knew Captain Kirk was dead!
When Scotty came back in an episode of TNG, he claimed he knew Captain Kirk would rescue him...but Scotty already knew Captain Kirk was dead!
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Originally posted by milo bloom
Also, in Generations, Guinan's people are refugee's from the Borg and they had massacred them. So Starfleet may have known about them for decades, but not everyone, including Picard, were told. Seven's parents may have heard it thru the grapevine and struck out on their own.
Also, in Generations, Guinan's people are refugee's from the Borg and they had massacred them. So Starfleet may have known about them for decades, but not everyone, including Picard, were told. Seven's parents may have heard it thru the grapevine and struck out on their own.
All this could've been avoided if they had simply made Seven a humanoid of some kind. All the same stuff they later did would have worked (such as it did...)
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I'm surprised that Star Trek has all these holes in the story, you'd think the writers would of done a better job.

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Originally posted by Eric F
Kirk was missing, because as we know, Kirk doesn't die.
Kirk was missing, because as we know, Kirk doesn't die.
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Originally posted by nemein
Considering there have been 5 series and 10 movies over the space of 30 some odd years I'm surprised there aren't more holes.
Considering there have been 5 series and 10 movies over the space of 30 some odd years I'm surprised there aren't more holes.
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just remembered the last episode of season 1 TNG. They found the cryo ship with the people in there and healed them. One of the people talked about all his investments that should be worth a fortune, etc. How could that be when that was the time of Khan sezing control and world war breaking out?
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Originally posted by al_bundy
just remembered the last episode of season 1 TNG. They found the cryo ship with the people in there and healed them. One of the people talked about all his investments that should be worth a fortune, etc. How could that be when that was the time of Khan sezing control and world war breaking out?
just remembered the last episode of season 1 TNG. They found the cryo ship with the people in there and healed them. One of the people talked about all his investments that should be worth a fortune, etc. How could that be when that was the time of Khan sezing control and world war breaking out?
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Originally posted by Chew
Just read "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox and the whole Khan timeline thing will be cleared up.
Just read "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox and the whole Khan timeline thing will be cleared up.
By the way, in an episode of DS9, they pushed the Eugenics Wars up a century or two. So I guess they didn't happen in the 1990s.
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AS ALWAYS CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, ACCORDING TO THE BOOK ENTERPRISE INCIDENT, WASN'T CAPTAIN APRIL THE FIRST CAPTAIN OF THE ENTERPRISE. ITS BEEN 15 PLUS YEARS SINCE I HAVE READ THE BOOK, BUT THE NEW SERIES ENTERPRISE BASICALLY IGNORED IT. THE BOOK WAS ABOUT KIRKS FIRST MISSION ON THE ENTERPRISE AND IT TOLD ABOUT HOW THE STARSHIPS CAME TO BE, TOO INCLUDE THE FIRST TEST RUN WITH CAPTAIN OR COMMANDER APRIL. (I COULD BE COMBINING TWO SEPERATE BOOKS, I HAVE READ WELL OVER 100 BOOKS BASED ON STAR TREK, SO SOMEONE CHECK ME ON THIS)
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April was the first captain of the NCC1701, which was the first Federation starship Enterprise
the federation is not around yet on the show Enterprise, and even the rec deck on the 1701 showed other space ships named enterprise in The Motion Picture so the NX01 (Archer's ship) doesn't really change anything. The new series has crapped on a lot of continuity, but not in the naming of the ship
the federation is not around yet on the show Enterprise, and even the rec deck on the 1701 showed other space ships named enterprise in The Motion Picture so the NX01 (Archer's ship) doesn't really change anything. The new series has crapped on a lot of continuity, but not in the naming of the ship
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Originally posted by mikehunt
The new series has crapped on a lot of continuity, but not in the naming of the ship
The new series has crapped on a lot of continuity, but not in the naming of the ship
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Originally posted by Chew
Just read "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox and the whole Khan timeline thing will be cleared up.
Just read "The Eugenics Wars" by Greg Cox and the whole Khan timeline thing will be cleared up.
What I don't understand is why some people think that Star Trek has to exist according to our current history.
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Originally posted by Laertes
Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.
Didn't Q introduce humans to the Born in TNG? Didn't he say something about this being the first encounter of humans with the Borg? I would have thought that some omnipotent being like Q would have known about that, but maybe I'm wrong.
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There is also the Trill thing. Sisko knew Dax's previous host for quite some time yet when Dr. Crusher encounters a trill she has no idea what it is?
Either Sisko was sworn to secrecy or our dear ol' Doctor just signed in to all those CME conferences and just hit the beach instead of attending.
Either Sisko was sworn to secrecy or our dear ol' Doctor just signed in to all those CME conferences and just hit the beach instead of attending.



