No, actually no sarcasm at all. I took that scene as a cleverly edited out-take, nothing more. That said, I might think different if I watched it again.

At least in my mind, I get the feeling that they're taking these 10-odd minute 'deleted scenes', sticking them in a blender, pouring them onto a griddle, and serving up the result.

i seriously thought Tony was going to have sex with the old butter whore...... LOL


" happy birthday mr president".....

I would have done was- shoot her in the head and say.." That was my dog.....And give me back my hat....and by the way, the chestnuts suck.... " And then i would have crapped on her forehead....

oh wait.....

The whole "THIS IS A FAMILY DRAMA" crap doesnt excuse a perpetual tease with no payoff. They have seasons worths of charactor developement. Its turning into the end run of the Xfiles or a bad first date, all build up.

I agree with Phil L.

At first I thought she was genuine, but then as it went on it sure seemed like she was milking tony for everything.

If we ever see her again it will only be for Tony to F her or F her up. I thought one of the two was going to happen by the end of the episode.

I really think Chris' character is one of the most interesting on the show. I wonder if he is just really good at lying to himself, or if he truly believes that he did nothing wrong by enabling that guy's gambling addiction. The way he told the guy how much he was going to charge, and did this so that "he wouldn't enable him" was hilarious.

I don't know where this was headed... I think Christopher KNEW Daly was lying about "using" just as Christopher had lied at the IHOP when said he had a sip of wine the previous week (when he'd actually gone off on a HUGE drinking bender after the Adriana/Tony accident). It is relatively easier to accuse or support someone else who is messing up than it is to reach out for that support when YOU need it yourself (notice how they both said to each other "why didn't you call?!"). I think this was a little bit of a foil to allow Christopher to put things in perspective. He respected Daly's character for being clean and sober, yet Christopher dabbles in re-experimentation with his addictions and prevails. Whether it was intentional or not, I think Christopher was patting himself on the back by actually showing how strong he was in avoiding his adictions. Of course enabling someone else's obsessive compulsive behavior for drugs, booze and gambling in the process shouldn't exactly be a feather in your cap.

i liked the part where tony's father stayed with the girlfriend all night instead of visiting his wife in the hospital and then had tony lie for him. i think that olivia new that both of them were lying and that may have been a reason for the way she acted in the earlier seasons.

If you want a soap opera, go watch Days Of Our Lives. Right from the get-go David Chase said (see the inverview in the 1st season dvd) that he wants each episode of Sopranos to be able to stand alone and be watched and enjoyed without any sort of baggage. The episodes are supposed to be very self-contained, and they always have been. Each episode has a psychological theme and even little asides have to do with these themes. There's nothing wrong with watching for surface action (see 24). But if that's all you're looking for in Sopranos, you're bound to be disappointed.

(btw, saying 24 is better than Sopranos is almost like saying Bad Boys is better than Godfather)

I liked the episode, tho the continuity, both within the episode itself and the season as a whike, seemed to be terrible.

I don't think it was so much Tony realizing that his father's Mistress wasn't a classy person that was important, but rather that Tony is realizing that maybe his mother isn't resposible for all the bad shit in his life, as well as the fact that Tony's father was an *******. Tony patterned himself after his father and he is now starting to doubt that, which means that not only was this episode important, but it also suggests how the series is going to end (att least to me anyway).

sorry to go off topic, but i had t oaddress this.
a. she is an idiot (see season 2 with the mountain lion/couger)
b. the kidnapper you mentioned, Dan, was one of her friends, and he even tried to get her help.
c. and her mother was kind of an idiot too

I'm far from a fan of 24, but the situation you described does have some merit. There is a psychological condition referred to as Stockholm Syndrome that is attributed to victims who develop emotional attachments to their captors/abusers. Here is a really long article that explains it in detail. You can get a good understanding of it from the first few paragraphs however. Stockholm Syndrome

I'm aware of this syndrome but it doesn't readily fit the scenario used in 24.

First, she had just met this guy (he wasn't a friend..it was a blind date). She had known him less than 12 hours total and in that time she and her friend had been kidnapped. Her friend was killed and her mother raped by a fellow captor of this guy. Plus it's not like she just developed a level of attachment. They are all trying to escape and she and her mother get isolated away. Instead of focusing on survival in the moment and getting down as she's told to we're to believe she willingly stands up in a pissy fit against her mother's will and wants to go search for this guy. I watched another 4 or 5 episodes after this one but it was just too ridiculous of concepts.

But I make us digress from the true topic of the thread.

I thought it was cool that Tim Daly was sportin' a Delicious Vinyl t-shirt. Represent!

wasn't the greatest episode but I thought it was still good. And to say it's not moving the overall story along is wrong. Christopher is still struggling with being clean. Tony is still struggling with the morals of being a "mobster" and doesn't wanna be just like his dad but knows he's gonna end up that way anyway, and Junior is falling appart at the seams.

I think if anyone gets whacked anytime soon, it'll be Junior of natural causes.

My guess is Tony will whack Paul or somebody from NY to set up a NY vs NJ war in the last season.

From next week's previews:

I was thinking the same thing.

I was thinking:

Re: the Daly theme and Christopher's role in it...

Here's my thoughts.

Gambling is another addiction. The guy tells Chris he wasn't jonesing for H but had to get down to the track for the last race. Christopher "enables" his new addiciton by telling him that he'll take his action. The guy proceeds to bet two grand on a couple of baseball games. Then when he wins Christopher enables him further by inviting him into a very high stakes poker game (with people he would know this guy isn't going to compete with). He knew full well the guy would be there the next morning and in deep debt to the house. He enabled him to set up a bleed situation just like Tony did to David Scantino. That's why it is so hilarious when Chris tells him that he's charging vig as to -not- enable him.

Why send the guy to re-hab? Because unless he sobers back up Chris can't continue to bleed him. The guy isn't any good to him dead. He can make the guy feel like he's helping him while he's robbing him. Just my thoughts.

By definition, "whacking" is an active verb. Someone WHACKS someone else. If Junior were to die of natural causes, no one "whacked" him, he just died.

Besides that, right now there is nothing physically wrong with Junior. His cancer is gone. He is going bonkers emotionally from his isolation. His only social interaction is when he is allowed to leave the house - for funerals. What we witnessed this week was Junior being crushed between the misery of solitude and the misery of his only escape route - social interaction during the grieving process of a death (not exactly the jubilant social setting Junior needs as relief). The resurfacing of the old mistress, whom Junior had "stalked" in his younger days, only serves to intensify the realization that he cannot maintain any real social ties while under house arrest. If anything, Junior needs a shrink!

God, I'm so glad you guys don't write for the show.

You are so missing the point of the show, that I'm surprised you're still watching. What this show has been about from day one is the intrnal psycholgical struggles of the characters that are in lives that have two polar opposites (family/mob). It's all about motivation and behavior, which is much more interesting than what you described, which had absolutely zero depth.

Well let's hear your prognostications, genius.

How is what I described lacking in motivation and behavior?

Dude, most people on this board are of the opinion that Sopranos has been on a downward slope since after the opening credits of the FIRST EPISODE.
That said, this episode was strictly character development. Not bad or good in the long run, but hardly a flaming pile.
And I liked the performance of the mistress.