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Old 11-20-03 | 12:23 AM
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I think many fans will take issue with that as well if that is the case. What better way to handle this than to have Lex come out of therapy with that memory firmly intact but he cannot tell a soul about it lest he fear he be put back in the psycho ward?

yeah, i didn't think about that angle. That would be pretty cool i think. Hopefully at least they try doing something like this instead of just dropping it because of his memory loss....

MAN THIS WAS A GREAT EP!
Old 11-20-03 | 01:34 AM
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I knew some whiny, crybaby cynics would come and and find something to complain about. Go find something else to watch if you don't like Smallville.



Ridiculous criticisms.

Great episode.
Sorry. Blah Blah Blah, the episode was perfect. Smallville is the best show on tv. Now the thread is so much more interesting.

How does ranting about complaints make you any less "whiny" or less of a "crybaby"?

Sorry, but the Lex is crazy plot seemed like it was trying to be confusing for the sake of tricking the audience. Part of the implausible things he saw were real. Part of the implausible things he saw were hallucinations. It reminded me of the Suspect show where Jonathan was accused of murder in season two.
Old 11-20-03 | 03:13 AM
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I guess I'm in the minority on this one.

I am losing faith in this show at an alarming rate. I have used my crystal ball and can tell you what happens on the next Smallville:

1. One, or possibly two, people will find out about Clark's secret.

2. Those two people will either be crazy, become crazy, die, or fall into a coma.

3. Lana will almost get killed, for the 1,234nd time since she turned 16. There will be no long-term physical or emotional damage done.

4. Lana and Clark will realize there is yet another obstacle to them being together. Pained looks of frustration will be exchanged.

5. Pete will not be shown. It is possible he is either crazy, will become crazy, dead, or in coma.

Using Cash's cover of NIN at the end was laugh-out-loud horrible. Lana being stomped by the crazy horse was bad. Julia Roberts' husband from Sleeping with the Enemy was bad.

On the plus side, MR did an OK job as Crazy Lex. Lionel was good as usual. No Lana for the first 30 minutes is something they should feature more often. And I was happy not to see a Freak of the Week.

Please don't post that I should stop watching this show, or that "it's just a TV show, it doesn't have to make sense". Smallville makes me feel more like a disappointed parent than an angry fan.


I agree pretty much 100% with the above. It's like too many of you have been desensitized by so many horrible episodes, that one that is just bad is now good.

Yet another episode that went nowhere. Edge comes back, only to be killed. Lex sees Clark rip up a car, only his short term memory is going to be completely erased. This is called plot development? In this episode, Edge could have been replaced by any of the previous freaks who discovered Clark's secrets, but ended up dead or in an institution.

While I think the writers will remember to put Lana in some crutches or something next episode, you can bet the bank on the fact that she and Clark will be back to normal. No emotional consequences for Lana, EVER. Lana should have busted out her Kung Fu on the horse. At least that would have been comical in addition to being ridiculous.

Every episode of Smallville seems to occur in a vacuum. It is indescribable really. Nothing which should have a consequence results in one.

This episode was marginally better than the last few. Not because there was actual plot development, because there wasn't, but because you could tell the writers were actually trying to move a storyline along.
Old 11-20-03 | 05:28 AM
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I wanted to see Clark kick the horses ass while it was stomping Lana. I also think that Jonathon should grow back his sideburns.


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Old 11-20-03 | 06:09 AM
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I don't see how people can be mad that Lex is going to forget about Clark's secret. The one person that will NEVER find out about Clark is Lex. Everyone else is fair game
Old 11-20-03 | 06:19 AM
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I don't see how people can be mad that Lex is going to forget about Clark's secret. The one person that will NEVER find out about Clark is Lex. Everyone else is fair game
Doesn't Lex eventually find out Superman's secret in the comics? It's been a long time since I ever read one, but I recall hearing about President Luthor finding satellite photos of Kal El's ship crashing in Smallville and putting two and two together.
Old 11-20-03 | 06:29 AM
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didn't see previews for next episode...cause of thanksgiving obviously...can't wait til the following week!
It's going to be a long wait. The next new episode is scheduled for January 7th.
Old 11-20-03 | 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by TheBigDave
It's going to be a long wait. The next new episode is scheduled for January 7th.
Old 11-20-03 | 08:16 AM
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It's going to be a long wait. The next new episode is scheduled for January 7th.

I hope you aren't serious!
Old 11-20-03 | 08:26 AM
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It's going to be a long wait. The next new episode is scheduled for January 7th.
Well that's just...dumb.
Old 11-20-03 | 08:32 AM
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Short recap:

Overall, a fast moving episode that touches on Lex's past with bouts of delusion and how it impacts his present has Lionel tries to head off Lex's digging into his past (with Morgan Edge as an accomplice) in burning down a building for the insurance money, while murdering Lex's grandparents in the process.

Chloe helps in providing some details of Lionel and Morgan's past involvement with the buidling fire.

Lana gets hurt badly, probably multiple leg fractures from being trampled by a spooked horse (Lex got paranoid and threw Lana into the stable while hiding out at the Smallville stables for the night).

Lex's paranoia gets worse and worse as he feels no one believes him, and only Clark is willing to prove that Lex isn't crazy, but the evidence to the contrary becomes almost overwhelming.

In the end, after Clark does some more investigating and gets Lex's guard to confess (about drugging Lex slowly through his scotch to produce his delusional state).

Clark tracks down Morgan Edge's whereabout, as does Lex. After a showdown between Lex and Edge, Clark shows up, but Edge is prepared with a string of kryptonite rocks and beats the crap out of Clark for a while, Lex gets the upper hand and shoots Edge, turns his attention to Clark, then Edge disappears, so Lex goes after him, and Edge tries to run Lex over as Lex shoots at the car through the windshield, but Clark pushes Lex aside and takes the full brunt of the car, and Lex finally sees what he has suspected all this time, that Clark does have super powers is pretty much indestructible. Edge is supposedly dead from Lex's shots (not sure yet).

Lex is put into a mental institution by Lionel, currently no one would believe what he saw regarding Clark's powers because he's still so delusional.

Lana is now convinced that bad things happen when she hangs with Clark, so she gives Clark the heave-ho for the time being. Clark is crushed.
Old 11-20-03 | 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by TheBigDave
It's going to be a long wait. The next new episode is scheduled for January 7th.
god damn you think they could have atleast 1 show in Dec.
Old 11-20-03 | 10:05 AM
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Nice episode, regardless of what some people said. Far better then the last 2 at least.
Old 11-20-03 | 10:12 AM
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I have a problem with "Hurt" at the end as well. I think they should have used Trent Reznor's original version instead of the late, great Johnny Cash version. NiN's version would have gone better with the "quietness" of the setting instead of Cash's overpowering rendition of it. Cash's rendition is just too loud and NiN's version starts off soft and grows in volume...much better for the scene, but what do I know?
Old 11-20-03 | 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by calhoun07
Doesn't Lex eventually find out Superman's secret in the comics? It's been a long time since I ever read one, but I recall hearing about President Luthor finding satellite photos of Kal El's ship crashing in Smallville and putting two and two together.
In the comics, he did find out for a few months, but his memory was later wiped of the secret by a villian named manchester black.
Old 11-20-03 | 10:39 AM
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I have a problem with "Hurt" at the end as well. I think they should have used Trent Reznor's original version instead of the late, great Johnny Cash version. NiN's version would have gone better with the "quietness" of the setting instead of Cash's overpowering rendition of it. Cash's rendition is just too loud and NiN's version starts off soft and grows in volume...much better for the scene, but what do I know?
It seems to me that the only music they play in smallville is what the wb is trying to push at the current time, with the exception of the time they were playing waylon Jennings' Dukes of Hazzard Theme. That was great.
Old 11-20-03 | 11:58 AM
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It seems to me that the only music they play in smallville is what the wb is trying to push at the current time, with the exception of the time they were playing waylon Jennings' Dukes of Hazzard Theme. That was great.
Very true. I was just thinking the original would have worked better, that's all
Old 11-20-03 | 12:28 PM
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Loved the show, so did my wife and kids. My kids (12 and 9) and my wife both smiled and laughed (I a good way) when they saw Lex's reation to Clark stopping the car.

The most touching moment in the show is when Lionel has tears in his eyes seeing his son hurting and locked up in a white room. Lionel is what I have grown up seeing Lex being in the comics.

Smallville is like watching a TV version of Superboy that was written for Marvel Comics. Clark is Peter Parker struggling with "With much power comes much responsibility". This is not to put down DC (I am a DC fan, not Marvel), but Marvel has always put the Heroes in a more human light than DC did (Until the 90's, then DC started giving their charcters more human problems).

Love Smallville and I cannot wait to see where this will all end...
Old 11-20-03 | 01:57 PM
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Lana should have busted out her Kung Fu on the horse. At least that would have been comical in addition to being ridiculous.
Now that would have been entertaining!
Old 11-20-03 | 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by TheBigDave
It's going to be a long wait. The next new episode is scheduled for January 7th.

Yeah my friend who is sound editor on the show is being laid off during the month of December. That explains why the show isn't showing in December.

Chris
Old 11-21-03 | 10:15 AM
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Well, no, it's not like they shoot the episodes and air them 2 days later. I'm sure they've got several in the can that haven't aired yet. The reason why any show is in reruns through December is because TV viewership drops big time before the holidays and the break in air time allows them to get a few more episodes ahead in production. That way you avoid issues of tapes being run out to the satellite uplink center right before airtime. (Which actually happened once during Babylon 5's run...they were rendering SPFX until *right* before the sat uplink.)

The problem I have with this show is that they give every reason to believe that *nothing* will change as a result of anything that happens from week to week. Lex is about the only character that has any interest for me, because his motivations and dynamics change from week to week based on the situations around him.

Everyone else? Pretty much no change, it's the Trek reset button every week. Lana has been injured or placed in danger a dozen times over the series, only now does she start to notice Clark is bad news? And of course even those who absolutely love this show have got to be sick of the Clark/Lana back and forth with no growth.

Like Enterprise, I keep watching because I see there is a good show in there somewhere, but the writers and producers have got to have the guts to let the characters change.
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Like Enterprise, I keep watching because I see there is a good show in there somewhere, but the writers and producers have got to have the guts to let the characters change.
Speaking of Enterprise, I think there should be a contest between the guy that plays Travis on Enterprise, and Pete on Smallville to see which token has the most air time. It's really sad.

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