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Hoo boy. Syd, I've missed you. I've missed Dixon and Marshall and Jack and Weiss, and even Vaughn. It's been awhile.
I noticed the parallels between the season premiere and the pilot episode, with Syd deciding she needs to prove herself, and then doing so, changing her hairstyle along the way. My favorite reunion scene was not Syd and Jack meeting, it was a razor and Jack meeting. Wow, facial hair does not match well for Victor Garber. Marshall's key poem thing was hilarious, though. Can't wait for the new episodes! |
Originally posted by Iron_Giant No way, either she is a clone or her mind is being mind controled (hooked up to some machine or drug to make her think all this is happening) so Sloan (or some bad guy) can get info out of her head. Another speculation... it would really suck if Syd was a clone, and she really did die in the fire. I'm kinda torn about whether Sloane would burn her or rescue her, but maybe all he wanted was a DNA sample. Man, I really don't buy that "PEACE" crap. How has Rambaldi been portrayed as a person... someone that would do all that crap just to make a device that spelled PEACE? From what I remember, all his devices looked, on the surface, like one thing, but had a hidden purpose as well. Maybe the fact that it displayed PEACE was true, but that there was something more insidious/powerful behind it... how that PEACE would be achieved? I just can't believe that the enemies that the show has built up have all gone goody-goody or aren't a threat (as of Episode 1)... Sloane's good, Francie is dead (maybe? again, they didn't give a clear answer), Sark is MIA (maybe he took a cue from Sydney and started going to grad school), and SpyMommy is... hmm, I don't think they mentioned her, either. |
"The Telling"
"There's a change coming, Jack ... something I couldn't even imagine." - Sloane das |
How representative was this episode to the series in general?
My reason for asking is because I believe I might have seen two episodes of it tops since its inception and watched the premiere. I know the basic background but obviously wouldn't have known any specific character references and such. I found it to be B movie material with a larger music budget and then the strong performance by JG. It would seem to be mostly plot driven where they have to keep coming up with twists and such as I didn't find much appealing, other than Garner, beyond that. Is that remotely accurate? What I saw is what I can expect or is it really worth staying with it for a few if tonight didn't appeal to me? |
Originally posted by das Monkey "The Telling" "There's a change coming, Jack ... something I couldn't even imagine." - Sloane das |
"I lost my keys, where are they?" :)
I want to know where they put the answers to all the questions! Where are the straight answers? Where's Will? Mom? EvilFrancie? Sark? PEACE? Sloan on redemption and helping the CIA? Oh and I suppose he forgot that the CIA killed his wife? Never!! Some loopiness: You're a big time Russian hitman, and you go shooting off on the train, possibly scaring away your target? That same hitman that is delivering an object don't stop in the middle of a dark alley with a pretty girl standing in a puddle of water and stick their neck out! I think there are still some openings for Ambush 101 at my local CC. If Sloan was really doing cancer research, why did he have the guy's file right on his desk? The meeting with Weiss and Sidney outside the building, after the gun fire, Did they already think we would've forgotten that the CIA was watching everything with a thermal sensor sat? Did anyone else see the smoke coming off that chip that Sidney threaten to burn? Oops! :) Don't tell me ABC can't afford another take on that shot! |
abintra: You can't judge the whole series just by this ep. There was a lot of things messed up in this episode just to bring things together, and not a really good job at that either. That is why we fans have to tune in next week to find out more. Overall, I would rate this an below avg to avg ep.
I would strongly recommend watching the first two seasons first. |
glad its back as well. what was the little piano ballad from a female at the end of the episode.
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Where's Will?
Where's Lena Olin? Where's Sark? They kept the lame characters like vaughn, weiss, amanda foreman, and dixon and got rid of all the characters i like. Jack is the only cool person left. Now that jennifer garner is dating varitan we are never going to get rid of vaughn who may be the most boring leading man on a spy show ever. hopefully they will have a nasty break up in real life and he will be dumped from the show. Bring back Will now!!!! |
That was Sark in drag (looking like Sydney) slicing that old guy's throat. :)
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Originally posted by Rypro 525 also, I heard that will Spoiler:
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actually static, I made a mistake
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Originally posted by BlueIce That same hitman that is delivering an object don't stop in the middle of a dark alley with a pretty girl standing in a puddle of water and stick their neck out! I think there are still some openings for Ambush 101 at my local CC. By the way, I believe they did this same storyline on Days of Our Lives when I was in high school (someone goes missing, comes back with amnesia, then discovers they were being mind-controlled to do nefarious deeds). In general, I was OK with the ep as a premiere. There were way too many questions to answer in one hour. |
I thought the show really lacked, but I am also really behnind on storylines, so maybe there's more to it than I think.
MY problem didn't lie with the plot or acting as much as with the style in which the episode was shot. I don't mind slo-mo shots, but they really O.D.'d IMO. Also, I HATED the overruse of source music. I like Limp Bizkit okay, but it was really out of place in this kind of show. The piano song at the end really made it too melodramatic. Overall, this show looks like it has little creative input from writers and more from suits trying to make their show look like the new "it" series. In terms of the clone theory, that did cross my mind. However, if the show pulls that then it has officially jumped the shark IMO. If they do take that approach, I think that there is a distinct possibility that we are watching the original Syd, and the clone is the one that commited the evil acts in question. I believe that Sloane wanted to create someone to work for him just like Syd, so that's what he had done while she was unconscious after the explosion. If this is true, then we might be seeing a dueling Syds sequence before the season is through, which is another case of jumping the shark. |
Was that Sydney's hair (when she was in the red dress), or a wig?
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what is jumping the shark again? i remeber reading about that right after the reboot episode. also, it looked like
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"Jumping the Shark" (or "jupming" for forum vets) refers to the highest point that a series reaches, the point where everything after it is downhill. Over time, the term has been bastardized to mean a show's lowest moment. Either way, it's negative and as noted around here before, the phrase itself jumped the shark years ago. In fact, we're now at the point where complaining about how overused and annoying the phrase is has <i>also</i> jumped the shark.
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Dr. DVD - the style of the show is the slo-mo shots, the use of pop/house music and crazy ass storylines. The music and style of shots is just something you love or hate about the show, and after many episodes you realize that they are both perfect fits for what the show is like and what it's all about.
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also why oh why did we have to see a "season premiere" logo after each commercial, we all get it don't we.
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ABC's done this with everything this season. It's all part of their "our viewers is stoopid" campaign. I fully expect next season to see little bugs at the bottom telling us not only what station and show we're watching but what day and time it is on.
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I noticed the parallels between last night's premiere and the pilot episode, too. The wife and I watched the first three eps yesterday to catch up on what we missed from the first season. The pilot kicks ass! And if any of you need to buy your spouse a great anniversary gift, I completely recommend the first season on dvd. :D
First, there were way the hell too many commercials last night (you really notice this after watching tv shows on dvd). Second, there were way too many questions left unanswered. Why couldn't they have done a two-hour premiere? If any show calls for it and could pull it off - it is this show. When Marshall was re-introducing himself to Sydney, I about fell onto the floor. "I'm Marshall Flinkman - I work in tech support..." :lol: Where's Will? Where's the cool, evil SpyMomma? and her evil partner, Sydney's half-brother, Sark? Why can't we have a confirmation on whether or not the FakeFrancie bitch is dead yet? Thank goodness this show is back on so I have something to think about on Mondays. |
Originally posted by abintra How representative was this episode to the series in general? That's because everything (EVERYTHING) is topsy-turvy right now. Syd (and, consequently, the viewers) have no clue what's going on and/or who's telling the truth. It's a lot of fun for long-time viewers (I enjoyed it). But is a pretty terrible starting point for a newbie. I personally wished they left Dad in the cell a bit longer. I didn't want to see him in there for the whole season, but springing him so quickly didn't seem to flow right to me. And, I'm definitely of the mind that there is more to the story than "PEACE". Slone has something up his sleeve. (I'm also wondering about him continuing to make daughter references to Syd. Could we be in for a "Darth Vader" moment at some point?) Overall, a good episode. I love the sense of confusion that they've created. A few more plot holes than usual, but still a lot of fun. |
This isn't directly related to last night's season premiere, but a lot of people have been referring to Sark as Sidney's half-brother. I've been watching Alias pretty regularly from the end of season 1 and don't remember anyone mentioning that Sark was in fact related to Sydney. Did I miss something or are we just assuming that Sark and Sydney are related? (I think it would be cool if they were).
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I actualy liked the premiere. No, it wasn't the same quality as some of the previous episodes but after two years, I'm willing to cut JJ & Co some slack.
Loved Syd bitchslapping Vaughn at the beginning. One of the many highlights. I didn't expect for any of all the random questions I had after the finale to be answered. I'm quite sure the issues of where Syd was will be dragged out at least until sweeps. Yes I want to see Sark and I'm seriously considering starting a "Bring Will Back" website since I'm one of the few people who liked his character from the beginning (hey he's hot what can I say). Didn't have a problem when spydaddy getting his job back so easily. The whole situation just runs parallel to the series premiere. I got the feeling that DOD (or whoever the idiot yelling at Dixon works for) knew he wasn't a a threat to nat'l security but just has some personal issues against Bristow. Plus, I'm guessing that chip was worth a hell of a lot (probably less since Syd burned it just a tad). Plus, if Sloan could negotiate a such a nice pardon, I don't see why Spydaddy couldn't get one too. Sloan is so up to something. He just happened to have that file ready in case Syd showed up after two years. Yeah right. He should have thought she was dead like everybody else (unless of course he knows exactly where Syd has been for that period of time). Syd should have busted a cap in his butt the minute she saw him. My one complaint is with the exchange outside the warehouse. Since the CIA had Syd and Weiss on a monitor, they would have known what went down after the shooting. On the other hand maybe Weiss tipped off Dixon which would explain why he didn't look all that surprised to see her (maybe Dixon expected her to arrive and that would explain why security let her through). |
Not a fact, but there's a great deal of suspicion and evidence that they are - I mean, come on, haven't you heard their accents!?!?! Almost identical!!!
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