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24 05/06/03
Episode: 5:00-6:00AM
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Alright episode.
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Certainly nothing we haven't all figured out on our own, but thought it interesting to have a complete list of the pain Bauer has gone through so far this season. (NO spoilers)
Federal agent Jack Bauer of Fox's 24 gives new meaning to "all in a day's work." But seriously, how much can one man take? Within a span of 12 hours, Bauer (Kiefer Sutherland) has a wooden stake driven into his thigh during a plane crash, parachutes from another plane, gazes at a Hiroshima-size nuclear explosion, is brutally tortured with electric shocks, dies, is resuscitated and is tortured again. But this Jack-in-the-Box is up within minutes and assaulting bad guys with three hours left on the Fox thriller (tonight, 9 ET/PT). By now, Bauer is getting used to this. Only a year and a half earlier, Bauer spent a day being beaten and shot at by conspirators while trying to foil the assassination of a presidential candidate and locate his own wife and their trouble-prone daughter, who had been kidnapped. It's usually not a good idea to believe what one sees on TV, but medical experts say these events this season are even stretching the limits of incredulity. "I watch 24 religiously with my kids," says Saif Nazir, a doctor and president of the Illinois chapter of the American College of Emergency Room Physicians. "The last couple of episodes, where the gentleman was dead for all practical purposes and is being resuscitated without an airway, are just appalling." Nazir says he began rolling his eyes when Bauer's plane crashed and the hero pulled a tree branch from his leg. Such a wound would be enough to send a soldier home from battle. The muscle and tendons would be damaged, bleeding would be extensive and infection would set in immediately. Bauer was barely limping 15 minutes later, and he didn't even need a Band-Aid. Nazir recommends that real secret agents apply a pressure bandage, clean the wound as soon as possible and not parachute from an airplane later the same day. But just seven hours later, Bauer jumps from a Cessna that is to crash four minutes later as a nuclear bomb explodes. Assuming the Cessna is traveling at 110 miles an hour, Jack will be about 7 miles from ground zero. Based on the size of the explosion portrayed, the blast wave would travel at a minimum of 700 miles per hour and would reach Bauer within 35 seconds. Rush Inlow of the Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico, which conducted testing of nuclear weapons during the Cold War, does not recommend trying this at home. Inlow says the odds of surviving a blast depend on the yield of the weapon and the height of the blast. Heat, radiation and the blast force are the biggest concerns. "At the Hiroshima event, there were people within a couple of miles of ground zero who survived," Inlow says. As for the TV show, "given the weapon was detonated in a depression at ground level, there are good odds he could survive the blast and heat. As for watching the event itself, that is not something you recommend for a healthy life." Such an explosion would create a shock wave that travels faster than the speed of sound in a pattern similar to waves created by a pebble dropped in a pool of water. If Bauer were blocked from the blast wave, air turbulence certainly would prohibit aircraft from entering the blast zone — meaning the Counter Terrorist Unit wouldn't be able to send a rescue chopper. In the event of a nuclear blast, experts say, don't sit up and look at it. Get behind something sturdy, stay flat and keep your eyes closed. The cardinal sin committed by 24 writers is Bauer's revival after being tortured. He has been repeatedly shocked using defibrillator paddles in the back room of an outpatient emergency care clinic. When Bauer dies, his torturers force a doctor to revive him by plunging a syringe of epinephrine, a form of adrenaline, into Bauer's heart. The torture team then uses the defibrillator to shock the heart back into rhythm. The problem: Bauer gets no oxygen for as long as five or six minutes. "I can imagine this type of treatment being given in a Third World country, but in this day and age, to show a resuscitation without giving oxygen first is very sad," Nazir says. "The man is dead and 15 minutes later is up again and killing people. The writers should have had someone to guide them." A typical patient would require a couple of weeks in a coronary care unit after this type of resuscitation. One puzzle from the torture scenes is the use of a drug called "Beroglide" to paralyze Bauer's diaphragm and make him unable to breathe. Physician Susan Nezda of the board of directors of the American College of Emergency Physicians says paralytic drugs are commonly used during surgeries, but she has never heard of this one. Typically, succinylcholine or pancuronium are used. And that stabbing in the heart thing is so yesterday. "We did that 17 years ago, but we quit," Nezda says. "Today, you give epinephrine by IV fluids or through the endotracheal (airway) tube that drips into the lungs." These experts agree that the bottom line for Bauer is a flat line. "You cannot bring a person back to life without airway management," Nazir says. "It's very sad, very sad." |
Well I agree that this season stretched too much beyond the limits of credibility. However, it's still quite addictive.
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I shouldn't have read all that. Damn you for posting it! :(
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Blaster1, i'm curious about something. Do you work for the show, or for Fox itself?
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Wait a second . . .
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Why the hell is she taking a bath? She should be in bed, sleeping! It's like 5 A.M. for heaven's sakes.
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It just ended here.... I am losing interest here, the show has more turnarounds than a little league peewee game.
I hope it ends soon, they are stretching the bounds of reality. |
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"Kim, put the gun to your head, and shot yourself, now."
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Does anybody else find it hard to believe that
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This show has just continued to stretch the bounds of believability that I almost laugh at every "plot twist" each week. I just hope that the final 2 episodes can be as good as the final 2 from last season. |
Apparently an apple is a computer far more advanced than anything the lowly analysts at the federal government can possibly have.
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You guys forget that Steve Jobs was advertising the Macs just a year or so ago as being supercomputers? It is marketing, so they can't be wrong! ;)
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Soooooo, one minute Tony is hobbling around on crutches and the next he's walking without them, like nothing ever happened? (right around the 5:30 mark) :rolleyes:
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I guess I'm one of the few who don't seem to mind the plot "stretches" (just like any other TV show that has a script). I just sit back and enjoy an hour of TV. I really liked the episode and I can't wait for the final two.
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If a Mac can dock with an alien spaceship, I think it can handle something like Pro Tools to fix up the audio files. ;)
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:lol: @ Mittman
We'll I thought this episode was pretty dull. As everyone already mentioned, they are streching things quite a bit. I still find it enjoyable. Here's to the last two episodes. :( After this I'll finally be able to watch Season 1. :D |
I don't think Kate is in on it. That scenario doesn't fit with anything that has happened so far. It would be like the ending of The Sixth Sense if that happened.
Originally posted by Blaster1 Kate is sitting in a bubble bath. Kate agrees to go pick up Kim. I think I know where that is leading.[/spoiler] |
Originally posted by PalmerJoss This show has just continued to stretch the bounds of believability that I almost laugh at every "plot twist" each week. I just hope that the final 2 episodes can be as good as the final 2 from last season. |
I hope Palmer lets Aaron lose on Mike after this is all over.
Kim finnaly had a useful scene with her shooting Gary. Hopefully we'll continue to see less of her now. It's still hard to tell which side Sherri is working for. |
Originally posted by MrX I hope Palmer lets Aaron lose on Mike after this is all over. Kim finnaly had a useful scene with her shooting Gary. Hopefully we'll continue to see less of her now. It's still hard to tell which side Sherri is working for. |
Originally posted by leepyswetr Aww, yeah. Hot lesbian scene. |
I really love that they "stretch reality"... that's my favorite part of the show. After all, its not supposed to be real, or is it really based on a true story? I don't think it is.
I would love if in the last 20 minutes of the final episode an alien mothership from the planet Zurkohn came down to kidnap Sherri Palmer and Kim Bauer and then threatened to pollute our water systems with their sinister spacely chemical formulas. And in season 3, Jack has to stop them with the help of his new wacky sidekick, David Palmer! Woohoo, I'm there! |
I've decided that Kim is the best part of the show. Here's why. Her parts are clearly a satire on modern suspense/horror movies. I mean come on. She goes back to the house with the cops. Rather than go in with him, she goes in alone. Then, she hears something and goes into the room where she hears the noise. Then, when she sees the murder father guy, she grabs her bags, turns off the lights and makes a run for it. Man, this is great television! :up:
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Originally posted by Mittman Wait a second . . . Spoiler:
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You know what would be the best plot twist of all? If the Cypress recordings WEREN'T faked and are real and Alex Hewitt is just somebody Sherry Palmer hired to take the fall for everything she's done(although I do believe Sherry is planning on stabbing him in the back the second she's in the clear).
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Anyone else think Kim may have some trouble explaining why the cop and the father were both killed with the cop's gun? One shot to the father could be self defense, two shots may look premeditated.
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Another very entertaining hour of 24. I let out a little cheer when Sherrie got stabbed because it's ironic since she's a backstabbing lil' beeyotch herself. She deserved whatever pain/death she gets for her role in this whole ordeal.
Kim's gonna get her own show if she keep listening to her dad, mad props to Kim for actually listening and doing what needed to be done. If that doesn't rank high in father-daughter bonding on TV, nothing will! (Of course, I also wonder what was the urgency to go to Gary's house to pick up her stuff in the early morning hours, that was just plot-driven writing, with no real logic applied to it. Will we find out if Gary had anything to do with the plot to overthrow Palmer now?) Man, I want to see Mike fry for his role in all of this as well. Palmer will take care of the Secret Service guy who helped him. I figured that Tony would have to take out Chappelle for a few hours given the change in the command structure. Glad Tony and Michelle are having some good character building moments. Would not mind seeing the tattletale get busted down to data-entry clerk for her role "this day". I had to laugh when Jack called Kate and she was in a bubble bath. She far too relaxed to not be in on something sinister. I'd be happy if she was "clean", but that's just whacked to be taking a bubble bath at that time (shower, sure, but bubble bath?) |
Two shots wouldn't necessarily look premediated, Kim doesn't have to mention that she waited to shoot him the second time. Two shots back to back given that she was scared sh*tless would be believable. Plus the dad's prints might still be on the gun (there's no reason to believe he wiped it I think he planned on taking it with him) plus he should still have gun powder on his hands from firing. Okay, I think I've been watching Law & Order for way too long!
Anyway, I too wish Jack had advised Kim to shoot herself when it was all finished but alas, that wasn't meant to be. There are only two more episodes left so maybe, just maybe she can stay away from terrorists, psychotic fathers, and hungry wildlife for the next couple hours. Nice to see Sherry get stabbed, we didn't see her die though and if it's one thing this show teaches us it's that you have to work really hard to kill someone on this show. I'm still holding to my one wish that the final shot of the season is david pulling out a can of whoop a$$ on Mike. He wasn't this slimy in the first season but now he's just ugh. By the way, what happened to Nina? Does anyone know if she's going to be back this season or is that loose end just going to stay flapping in the wind? |
When Sherri was saying "Help me" I was thinking "As if!"
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By the way, what happened to Nina? Does anyone know if she's going to be back this season or is that loose end just going to stay flapping in the wind? [/B] |
“Honey, I would never lie to you.”
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Why exactly, are Apple computers so prominent in Television and in the movies anyways? If you believed Holywoood, then you would think everyone in the country is using some form of an Apple product.
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My bet is that Sherry told Alex to stab her, thinking he could then escape while Jack helped her.
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Originally posted by lisadoris Okay, I think I've been watching Law & Order for way too long! |
Originally posted by neiname CSI??? Nazgul, I hope you're right and we do see Nina again this season. I can add her to the list of characters that deserve a beat down. bralph, that's an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. But Sherry had to know that Jack would go after the hacker instead of her. Avert a war and save thousands of lives or save this one person that's been lying from the getgo. Still, I wouldn't put it past her. |
Speaking of Nina..
What the heck ever happened to that German woman she was talking to in the last episode of Season 1? She said she didn't work for Drazen, but for someone else... It doesn't look like that "someone else" has anything to do with this bomb. Nina just sold info about CTU to the bomb people for future "currency" in any deals as far as I can remember. Season 3 info perhaps? |
Originally posted by lisadoris Two shots wouldn't necessarily look premediated, Kim doesn't have to mention that she waited to shoot him the second time. Two shots back to back given that she was scared sh*tless would be believable I dunno. I don't even watch those crime shows. |
This is the first time that I was actually fine with the Kim thing - last night she actually did something smart (hides, lies in wait, hits him in the head, calls dad for wisdom, does as she's told). It almost made me forget that she told the cop to wait for her outside. What I don't get is how the ***** would a president's own cabinet vote him out of office - this is his own personal, hand-picked staff who owe him EVERYTHING and would under even lesser circumstances die for him. I'm supposed to believe that his greatest allies will vote him out for practically nothing? bah!!!
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