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Old 05-06-03, 06:56 AM
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24 05/06/03

Episode: 5:00-6:00AM

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Backdoor dealings, back stabbings and an actual stabbing convolute matters in this piercing hour, as Jack comes face-to-face with a pair of key players. One can prove the Cyprus recording is a fake; the other knows enough to blow the entire case wide open. But both begin to question their mutual trust when Jack tries to play each against the other. Meanwhile, a shakedown at CTU puts Jack's quest to rest once staffers are informed of a major shake-up in DC; Tony learns he has something in common with Palmer, who lobbies for an ally and talks with a turncoat; and Jack encourages Kim to put a definitive end to the source of her problems.
Old 05-06-03, 07:10 AM
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Alright episode.
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Sherry says she is there looking for the hacker to help him and she found him, because she has alot of sources. The hacker appears to not be there at first, but Jack finds him hiding. David Palmer convinces the guard thats locked in the room with him to help him out by giving him a phone. The hacker admits to doing the audio tapes and will testify, but only after talking to Sherry and Sherry saying he will get full amnesty for doing it. The guard brings David Palmer a phone to use and he calls Jack. He wants to know how the evidence is going and Jack tells him it is doing good and he has proof. Jack wants a helicopter from CTU to come pick them up. Tony goes and asks the guy above him now for one. He says no. Mike comes into the office and gets the phone from David and arrests the guard and puts a new one in power. Sherry and the hacker start bickering, because he doesn't trust that she will live up to her end of the bargain. Kim arrives back at the house and big surprise the father is there. She looks through a window and sees the cop dead. The father spots her and tries to kill her. She hides in the attic and hits him with something when he looks up there. She falls through the ceiling on him and knocks him out. She calls her dad and wants to know what to do. He tells her to leave quickly, but then the father starts moving again so Jack tells her to shoot him. She shoots him twice. She is nervous so Jack calls Kate and tells her to go pick up Kim as a favor. Kate is sitting in a bubble bath. She says that she sent the cop home that was guarding her. Kate agrees to go pick up Kim. I think I know where that is leading. Show ends with the hacker stabbing Sherry, because she won't move out of his way when he wants to leave due to him not trusting her.
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Certainly nothing we haven't all figured out on our own, but thought it interesting to have a complete list of the pain Bauer has gone through so far this season. (NO spoilers)

Federal agent Jack Bauer of Fox's 24 gives new meaning to "all in a day's work." But seriously, how much can one man take?

Within a span of 12 hours, Bauer (Kiefer Sutherland) has a wooden stake driven into his thigh during a plane crash, parachutes from another plane, gazes at a Hiroshima-size nuclear explosion, is brutally tortured with electric shocks, dies, is resuscitated and is tortured again.

But this Jack-in-the-Box is up within minutes and assaulting bad guys with three hours left on the Fox thriller (tonight, 9 ET/PT).

By now, Bauer is getting used to this. Only a year and a half earlier, Bauer spent a day being beaten and shot at by conspirators while trying to foil the assassination of a presidential candidate and locate his own wife and their trouble-prone daughter, who had been kidnapped.

It's usually not a good idea to believe what one sees on TV, but medical experts say these events this season are even stretching the limits of incredulity.

"I watch 24 religiously with my kids," says Saif Nazir, a doctor and president of the Illinois chapter of the American College of Emergency Room Physicians. "The last couple of episodes, where the gentleman was dead for all practical purposes and is being resuscitated without an airway, are just appalling."

Nazir says he began rolling his eyes when Bauer's plane crashed and the hero pulled a tree branch from his leg. Such a wound would be enough to send a soldier home from battle. The muscle and tendons would be damaged, bleeding would be extensive and infection would set in immediately. Bauer was barely limping 15 minutes later, and he didn't even need a Band-Aid.

Nazir recommends that real secret agents apply a pressure bandage, clean the wound as soon as possible and not parachute from an airplane later the same day.

But just seven hours later, Bauer jumps from a Cessna that is to crash four minutes later as a nuclear bomb explodes. Assuming the Cessna is traveling at 110 miles an hour, Jack will be about 7 miles from ground zero. Based on the size of the explosion portrayed, the blast wave would travel at a minimum of 700 miles per hour and would reach Bauer within 35 seconds.

Rush Inlow of the Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico, which conducted testing of nuclear weapons during the Cold War, does not recommend trying this at home.

Inlow says the odds of surviving a blast depend on the yield of the weapon and the height of the blast. Heat, radiation and the blast force are the biggest concerns.

"At the Hiroshima event, there were people within a couple of miles of ground zero who survived," Inlow says. As for the TV show, "given the weapon was detonated in a depression at ground level, there are good odds he could survive the blast and heat. As for watching the event itself, that is not something you recommend for a healthy life."

Such an explosion would create a shock wave that travels faster than the speed of sound in a pattern similar to waves created by a pebble dropped in a pool of water.

If Bauer were blocked from the blast wave, air turbulence certainly would prohibit aircraft from entering the blast zone meaning the Counter Terrorist Unit wouldn't be able to send a rescue chopper.

In the event of a nuclear blast, experts say, don't sit up and look at it. Get behind something sturdy, stay flat and keep your eyes closed.

The cardinal sin committed by 24 writers is Bauer's revival after being tortured. He has been repeatedly shocked using defibrillator paddles in the back room of an outpatient emergency care clinic. When Bauer dies, his torturers force a doctor to revive him by plunging a syringe of epinephrine, a form of adrenaline, into Bauer's heart. The torture team then uses the defibrillator to shock the heart back into rhythm. The problem: Bauer gets no oxygen for as long as five or six minutes.

"I can imagine this type of treatment being given in a Third World country, but in this day and age, to show a resuscitation without giving oxygen first is very sad," Nazir says. "The man is dead and 15 minutes later is up again and killing people. The writers should have had someone to guide them."

A typical patient would require a couple of weeks in a coronary care unit after this type of resuscitation.

One puzzle from the torture scenes is the use of a drug called "Beroglide" to paralyze Bauer's diaphragm and make him unable to breathe. Physician Susan Nezda of the board of directors of the American College of Emergency Physicians says paralytic drugs are commonly used during surgeries, but she has never heard of this one. Typically, succinylcholine or pancuronium are used.

And that stabbing in the heart thing is so yesterday.

"We did that 17 years ago, but we quit," Nezda says. "Today, you give epinephrine by IV fluids or through the endotracheal (airway) tube that drips into the lungs."

These experts agree that the bottom line for Bauer is a flat line. "You cannot bring a person back to life without airway management," Nazir says. "It's very sad, very sad."
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Well I agree that this season stretched too much beyond the limits of credibility. However, it's still quite addictive.

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It's awesome to see Jack telling Kim to shoot Peter (the dad). And then too shoot him again.

Otherwise not a lot in this episode except political games. Almeda and Chapelle, Palmer and the rest, Jack and Palmer's wife...

In the end of the episode the audio specialist manages to actually escape through a secret passage, but Jack follows him, ignoring the stabbed Ms Palmer's cries for help.
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I shouldn't have read all that. Damn you for posting it!
Old 05-06-03, 12:44 PM
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Blaster1, i'm curious about something. Do you work for the show, or for Fox itself?
Old 05-06-03, 02:53 PM
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Wait a second . . .

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Kate is in a bubble bath? She sent the guard home? I thought she was supposed to be going back to CTU to be with her Dad. Does anyone else think they might be setting up Kate to be in on it as well. I mean this just sounds a little fishy.
Old 05-06-03, 03:20 PM
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Why the hell is she taking a bath? She should be in bed, sleeping! It's like 5 A.M. for heaven's sakes.
Old 05-06-03, 07:57 PM
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It just ended here.... I am losing interest here, the show has more turnarounds than a little league peewee game.

I hope it ends soon, they are stretching the bounds of reality.
Old 05-06-03, 08:00 PM
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I think that Kate is in on it as well. She has to be! We have to have some sort of surprise.


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When I saw Kim, I was very pissed, but it was great to see her waste Gary. Also great to hear Jack council her to shoot him...twice! She has the coolest dad!


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Great to see Jack leave Sheri to bleed out as well. He definitely made the right decision, IMO. I am very interested to see how things come together in the last two hours.
Old 05-06-03, 09:55 PM
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"Kim, put the gun to your head, and shot yourself, now."

-thank you.
Old 05-06-03, 10:09 PM
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Does anybody else find it hard to believe that
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Alex Hewitt fabricated the Cypress recordings on his home laptop--an apple, no less!


This show has just continued to stretch the bounds of believability that I almost laugh at every "plot twist" each week. I just hope that the final 2 episodes can be as good as the final 2 from last season.
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Apparently an apple is a computer far more advanced than anything the lowly analysts at the federal government can possibly have.

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You guys forget that Steve Jobs was advertising the Macs just a year or so ago as being supercomputers? It is marketing, so they can't be wrong!
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Soooooo, one minute Tony is hobbling around on crutches and the next he's walking without them, like nothing ever happened? (right around the 5:30 mark)
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I guess I'm one of the few who don't seem to mind the plot "stretches" (just like any other TV show that has a script). I just sit back and enjoy an hour of TV. I really liked the episode and I can't wait for the final two.
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If a Mac can dock with an alien spaceship, I think it can handle something like Pro Tools to fix up the audio files.
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@ Mittman

We'll I thought this episode was pretty dull. As everyone already mentioned, they are streching things quite a bit. I still find it enjoyable. Here's to the last two episodes. After this I'll finally be able to watch Season 1.
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I don't think Kate is in on it. That scenario doesn't fit with anything that has happened so far. It would be like the ending of The Sixth Sense if that happened.

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Kate is sitting in a bubble bath. Kate agrees to go pick up Kim. I think I know where that is leading.[/spoiler]
Aww, yeah. Hot lesbian scene.
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Originally posted by PalmerJoss

This show has just continued to stretch the bounds of believability that I almost laugh at every "plot twist" each week. I just hope that the final 2 episodes can be as good as the final 2 from last season.
and The X-Files were real.
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I hope Palmer lets Aaron lose on Mike after this is all over.

Kim finnaly had a useful scene with her shooting Gary. Hopefully we'll continue to see less of her now.

It's still hard to tell which side Sherri is working for.
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Originally posted by MrX
I hope Palmer lets Aaron lose on Mike after this is all over.

Kim finnaly had a useful scene with her shooting Gary. Hopefully we'll continue to see less of her now.

It's still hard to tell which side Sherri is working for.
I think it's obvious that she was out to hurt Palmer's presidency, but now she is just trying to look out for herself. She has always been the most evil person on the show . . . to me at least.
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Aww, yeah. Hot lesbian scene.
Not what I was thinking, but that's probably just as believable as whatever else is really going to happen.
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I really love that they "stretch reality"... that's my favorite part of the show. After all, its not supposed to be real, or is it really based on a true story? I don't think it is.

I would love if in the last 20 minutes of the final episode an alien mothership from the planet Zurkohn came down to kidnap Sherri Palmer and Kim Bauer and then threatened to pollute our water systems with their sinister spacely chemical formulas. And in season 3, Jack has to stop them with the help of his new wacky sidekick, David Palmer! Woohoo, I'm there!
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I've decided that Kim is the best part of the show. Here's why. Her parts are clearly a satire on modern suspense/horror movies. I mean come on. She goes back to the house with the cops. Rather than go in with him, she goes in alone. Then, she hears something and goes into the room where she hears the noise. Then, when she sees the murder father guy, she grabs her bags, turns off the lights and makes a run for it. Man, this is great television!

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