Rypro, you should actually watch the episode before posting instead of just relying on the spoilers.


Another great Kim free episode!

Too bad about Yusef, I was really getting to like him...hopefully Jack will get revenge on those (remaining) moronic rednecks.

I maybe wrong, but I think that was Mike.

I kind of doubt it, since I do recall Jack checking his pulse and finding none before saying "I'm sorry". But yeah, he was a cool character. I could kind of live with Reza getting killed off, but Yousef was a badass. Kind of ironic that he took on all those commandos and saved Jack's ass, but those ignorant rednecks killed him off.

Oh yeah, were me and my friends the only ones laughing when Kate offers the redneck leader €20,000 and he says something like "do I look European?" The three of us (the two of them are white, I'm Indian) broke out in laughter with a "no, you're clearly from Africa" comment. I'm not sure if that was intended to be funny or what.

Loved the episode though it is a shame about poor Youseff. And two weeks in a row without Kim, yipee!

CitizenKaneRBud - I think it was Mike watchign the VP's meeting, not Palmer but I could be wrong on that one.

Deftones - Jack's phone call didn't go through exactly. If you remember, Michele couldn't hear him and he couldn't hear her either. Plus I'm sure there were a lot more people dialing 911 than dialing the direct line to CTU.

After last week's promo fiasco, I am purposely avoiding the previews for this show. I'm hoping I can make it throught he week without spoilers.

Yousef gave him the name of the subdivision and city, he probably just recognized the SUV in the driveway.

Why on earth were you watching the preview? If nothing else, do your best to AVOID previews. The show's story line is being developed and revealed to the viewer by the writers/producers/directors/etc. Previews are developed by a marketing department. The first group wants to tell you a story and reveal major plot points as they naturally unfold. The second group wants to get good ratings and have as many people tune in as possible. They RARELY give a hoot about spoilers in previews.

Example: "Tonight on 24 -- Jack kills Victor Drazen!"

I learned back when Babylon 5 was still in production -- NEVER WATCH THE PREVIEWS if you want to enjoy the story. Heck, for that matter, I purposely avoid Fox on Tuesday nights until 24 comes on. I'd much rather watch playoff hockey than American Idol.

Ahhhh! This redneck racist beating storyline is just a dumb plot device to string the chip subplot for 2 more hours. Bah!

But, overall, the story is now really moving, so it was a fun ride tonight. We're in the home stretch, bay-bee!

Good episode! While I don't think jack would be up and running that soon after being clinically dead, I can suspend my disbelief because Jack is again proving his bad-assedness.

No Kim again! w00t!



I liked how Palmer's secret service agent helped without actually saying anything. The secret service prides itself on doing their jobs, and only their jobs, very vbery well, but ignoring/forgetting whatever they hear administration officals say. They do not reveal secrets or get involved in political intrigue. Palmer's agent bent the rules enough to let Palmer know his instincts were on target and he should watch his back.

My wife and I cracked up at that line. Perfect in every way. I agree that the redneck thing is a little overbaked-- one trained agent killed, and a standoff with another?

Biggest surprise for me was the lead torturer getting whacked so quickly. Those pretty-boy baddies usually last a little longer.

Mike's chance to have his conscience win out ended when he grabbed Lynne's hand.

Another great moment-- when Tony called over Chappelle "Carrie has something she wants to say to you."

Missed the forum last week-- did anyone mention that the 25th amendment also states that the Congress must approve the president's removal by a 2/3 vote?

I guess Yusef has taken the "Peace Train" to the great "Moonshadow" in the sky.

Is it a contractual obligation for every show to use that guy who Jack shot in the house near the end? I don't know who he is, but it seems that he guest stars in EVERYTHING. On FX last night they showed him again in the promos for "Nip/Tuck."

True, however at CTU someone was attempting to make a call out. I don't remember who it was, but they were getting the all circuits are busy. I am pretty sure that was last night's episode. Telephone systems don't care where you are calling, also. 10,000 people calling me would be the same as 10,000 people calling 911.

I believe the Amendment states that the Vice President is the effective president immediately but Congress has from 4 days to 21 days to overturn it.
I am not an attorney but that was how I interpreted the Amendment.

OK, brace yourselves ... this episode did not suck ... there, I said it ... whew, that felt weird.

Lots of silly forced plot, and the chip storyline is pissing me off, but overall the tension was high the whole time, the story moved along, and it was completely sans Kim.

Definitely one of the best two or three episodes this season.

das

I thought it was a great episode overall--fast-paced, no annoying Kim, but it did seem like there were about twice as many commercial breaks than usual.

Also, I am amazed at Jack's resiliency. I'm glad he was able to watch that nuclear blast from behind a rock, and I'm glad he was able to be brutally tortured and clinically dead--and yet be able to bounce back so quickly, run out the door, drive away, shoot bad guys, etc. What a guy.

I'm glad Lynn's not dead, but she'd better be worried. A hospital can be a vulnerable place for someone with so much to tell...

FYI, here is Sec. 4 of the 25th Amendment in its entirety:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmits to the President Pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President Pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmits within four days to the President Pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

So even if the VP is sucessful in his power play, once Palmer learns about it all he has to do is write a note to the Speaker of the House saying he is capable of doing his job and he's back in.

The problem for Palmer is this: the VP is in Washington and can get his written declaration to the Speaker within minutes. Palmer is in CA, and if he has to deliver an original paper signed by him, it will take at least a few hours - long enough for the military strike to go ahead.

LB: I would assume at some point he had to read a file on the Warners and thus he remembered the address from there. (Probably before he questioned Reza Naiyeer and Bob Warner at CTU.)

Eh, I guess it was okay. I mean, it did move along at a good pace, true, but it's all so obvious and contrived. I don't know, I think after the last 3-4 hours I just don't buy it anymore. There were some definate good points with Jack and Palmer and the part where Tony called Carrie's bluff was amazing. What bugs me the most is how contradictory this whole phone outage is. The writers let anyone through who needs to on the first call and then anyone the plot needs more isolated to push things along or create "suspense" NEVER gets a signal. Plus, the head bad guy seems to have a private cell channel for him and his cronies. I don't see him on any satellite phone.

Kim absent = GOOOOD! but we know it's not for long and they are about to rehash old plotpoints that were annoying in the first place.

Sorry, I just don't see what most of you do. I can suspend my disbelief A LOT and this is just WAAAAY beyond even my limits.

I lost track of whose car they were in by then, but doesn't Jack have a badass Trapper Keeper Futura 2000 with OnStar* or something?

das

Since the 25th Amendment doesn't dictate a requirement for a specific method of transmission, couldn't the President just fax or even e-mail (due to the "Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act") his written declaration in response to the Vice President?

Also, with regard to Jack up and running within the hour—I had simply attributed that to all of the adrenaline the doctor was pumping into him earlier when he was flatlining.

It was pretty good tonight. Because we are in TV land, Jack being dead and about 25 minutes later killing three men, and driving himself (like a pro) around town, I'll let it fly.

The part that ugged me the most (which this show does a lot) is the repeated dialogue.
There were two or three exchanges between Tony & Chappelle that relayed the same information.
C: I don't want you following Jack. Don't waste the resources.
T: I'm not so sure. He may be on to something. Shouldn't we give him a chance.

I guess they are trying to build tension by showing the same conversation three different ways. Tony calling the bluff was good TV though. Anyway, from previews and hearing the same conversation over and over, I imagine Tony & Chappelle have another go-round at the same conversation until, maybe Chappelle does something drastic.

Last thing that bugged me - why does Jack not just bust the door and cap the redneck? Why negotiate? Jack has killed enough people today "for the greater good", why start taking time with the European, I mean, the non-European?

Flatliners...heh.

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I noticed a continutiy goof. Wasn't it when Jack escaped with Kate, one of the side windows came off, well, its back on now.