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Angel -- Cancelled..?
From tvguide.com
THIS BITES: The WB has renewed six of its series for next season -- but unfortunately, Angel isn't one of them. Charmed, Gilmore Girls, Everwood, Smallville and Reba have been picked up for the 2003-04 season, while Monday-night staple 7th Heaven received a two-year green light. The network is expected to make a decision on Angel, arguably the WB's best show, in May. |
I bet WB is waiting to see how it performs over the next few weeks before deciding. I don't think it's too big of a shock that Angel wasn't included in this list of renewals.
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It mentioned in an EW interview that Angel was on the bubble. Whedon was going to propose some kind of big new storyline and if the network was interested, they would renew - if not, Angel was probably over.
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:confused:
Son of a ... I swear, WB better pick this up. |
I'd heard it was renewed on tv.... hopefully it will be if it hasn't been.
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This is because the contract that the WB has with Fox is up this season. It isn't a matter of simply "renewing" Angel... they'd also have to negotiate a new contract. There's nothing saying that they won't do that, but it isn't as trivial as just saying "yeah, we're bringing it back."
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Which will have its finale first? Angel or Buffy?
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I think it makes sense to cancel Angel and Buffy in the same year, the can use the free space to think of that new spin off from Buffy he was talking about
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Originally posted by PHMustang2000 I think it makes sense to cancel Angel and Buffy in the same year, the can use the free space to think of that new spin off from Buffy he was talking about |
I've been hearing that Angel and Sabrina will get the axe and that WHat I Like About You and Greetings From Tusan are on the borderline.
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Maybe UPN will pick it up. I know that when they had Buffy, they said that if the WB cancelled Angel, they would pick it up.
Angel on TV does not negate JW and company from doing a new show, spinoff or not. |
Originally posted by nightwing82 I've been hearing that Angel and Sabrina will get the axe and that WHat I Like About You and Greetings From Tusan are on the borderline. as for angel, i've watched 3 episodes and they were good ones. i hope this comes back as i won't have buffy to watch next season. :( |
This isn't news. They've said all along that the decision for renewing Angel wouldn't happen until May.
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What puzzles me is that Charmed gets renewed, but Angel is on the bubble???
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Nothing surprising. Looking at the averaged Nielsen ratings for this season on the Futon Critic:
Charmed: 4.65 million Reba: 4.67 million Gilmore Girls: 5.36 million Seventh Heaven: 7.00 million Everwood: 5.25 million Smallville: 6.73 million Versus Angel's 3.59 million viewers. Charmed also gets a boost from the fact that it's working miracles on the WBs Sunday ratings (Sundays are up 92% in the 19-34 demographic from last year). Reba's also their best-rated comedy, so they need it to anchor their Friday lineup, and the ratings are actually up from last year. I don't think it's time to worry yet. I'll start worrying when stuff like What I Like About You or Greetings From Tuscon is getting renewed and Angel isn't. |
This is pretty much non-news.
The headline should read "WB renews all it tops shows!" Those that aren't the six highly rated show will have to wait till May like other shows. I wouldn't get worked up about it. |
Will we know if Angel is axed before or after the season finale?
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Originally posted by WiccanPagan where is this from? the only one i am nto concerned with is sabrina (what garbage, only reason to watch is punky brewster), the other 3 i watch with a passion. amanda bynes has, arguably, the best comedic sense out of any actress currently on tv. as for angel, i've watched 3 episodes and they were good ones. i hope this comes back as i won't have buffy to watch next season. :( As for Sabrina, I still watch it. She is apparently getting married in the season (perhaps series) finale. And not to Harvey. If it ends that way, bunk to that. |
Originally posted by DRG What puzzles me is that Charmed gets renewed, but Angel is on the bubble??? |
Well at least the WB did not hang on to the POS that was Birds of Prey. I very much wanted to like that show, but it was so bad.
It would be nice to see Angel go another season or two, if the stories and writing stays strong. |
Originally posted by bboisvert Aside from the fact that Charmed has higher ratings, I again point out that the contract for Angel between WB and Fox is up this season. It needs to be renegotiated. The WB can't just "renew" the show -- they don't own the rights to the next season. They have to work with Fox to figure that out. (Which they apparently plan to do in May.) if the series does continue and we know that buffy is ending will any of the buffy characters port over? just a thought. |
It certainly sounds like they're planning on a fifth season.
Here's an interview with David Greenwalt, where he mentions what they have planned for season five. "I give 'Angel' a better than 50/50 chance of coming back next year. I think it has a pretty good shot." http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?30750 |
thanks for the warning josh, for that reason i won't read the article. but great news on the show coming back. :beer: just for the sake of drinking. :)
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After reading what they have planned for Angel, I think it might be best to yank it afterall. :(
No spoilers, but they seem to be taking the route of Buffy Season Six, which aside from the musical and the last three eps of the season, was a total loss for the most part. |
Dr. DVD - I didn't get the same feeling from that article, but I'm not sure how much I'll like the changes. It's nice to see Andy Hallett part of the regular cast. That was one move I was hoping for.
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Originally posted by elektra Dr. DVD - I didn't get the same feeling from that article, but I'm not sure how much I'll like the changes. It's nice to see Andy Hallett part of the regular cast. That was one move I was hoping for. |
The TV writer of the Detroit Free press had an article in the paper today about the Best 5 shows onTV that are in danger of being cancelled.
He listed Angel as one of the Top 5 and its chance of renewal at only 15%. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/t...7_20030327.htm Captain Video's Save These Shows 2003 Reality shows make it harder for quality programming to thrive March 27, 2003 BY MIKE DUFFY FREE PRESS TV CRITIC We rant, therefore we are. We rave, therefore we care. It's one of the eternally frustrating rites of spring, beseeching the networks for a little prime-time mercy. Talking back on behalf of ratings-imperiled shows we love, hoping to save "Freaks and Geeks" or "Once and Again" or "Ed" or "Angel" from cruel cancellation. Most of the time, we fail. "Freaks and Geeks" faded away after one gloriously imaginative season on NBC in 1999-2000. Last spring, ABC pulled the plug on the smart, superlative family drama "Once and Again" after three years. The most notable fan campaign triumph in saving a show -- CBS's "Cagney & Lacey" -- occurred way back in 1983. When CBS canceled the unconventional crime drama about two female police detectives after one season, a spontaneous outpouring of viewer outrage and letters of support convinced the network to cancel the cancellation and bring the series back. And it promptly became a hit. More recently, impassioned fan support for "La Femme Nikita" persuaded USA Network to revive the estrogen actionfest for a shortened fifth season in 2001. Currently, a death notice seems to be the future of WB's "Angel," the dark, imaginative "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off. Yep, WB may be on the verge of driving a stake through the show's heart. And "Ed," the screwball romantic comedy with a gentle spirit, seems to be headed in the same depressing direction. NBC is moving the series to 9 p.m. Fridays this week to finish out the final three episodes of an abbreviated third season. Is "Ed" dead? Not yet. There's still hope for a fall season renewal when NBC announces its new 2003-2004 lineup in May. And like the amiably eccentric residents of the show's fanciful Stuckeyville, we'd rather stroll down the sunny side of the street and accentuate the positive. It's always better to embrace hope than just sit around and mope. And let's never underestimate the therapeutic value of a little eloquent kvetching. So stand up and cheer or jeer, Captain Video's 11th Annual Save These Shows Shout Out is here to help you rattle the network cage of your choice. "One of my favorite shows is 'Ed.' Why would NBC move it to Fridays if not to get rid of it?" gripes Freep reader Mike Costello of Lansing. "I would like to e-mail them and ask them not to axe 'Ed.' I know it won't matter but it will make me feel better." Glad to help you out, Mike. Just consult the box above with information on how to contact the networks. Give them a piece of your mind, perhaps even find a little peace of mind. Captain Video says let's keep these five alive: "Boomtown," NBC's offbeat crime drama; "Bernie Mac," Fox's superfine and superfunny family comedy; "Ed," NBC's sweet, loopy romantic comedy; "Cedric the Entertainer Presents," Fox's best sketch comedy since "In Living Color," and "Angel," WB's stylish vampire personality crisis odyssey. There are other endangered series worthy of support, of course, including quirky "Andy Richter Controls the Universe" (Fox), moodily mesmerizing "Kingpin" (NBC), mysterious "John Doe" (Fox) and politically engaging "Mister Sterling" (NBC). And you may have other favorites. But whatever your sitcom or drama passion, these are not happy times for fans of higher quality fictional television. This has been the winter of our discontent as unscripted intruders from the video swamp of reality TV have gobbled up network time slots that might have belonged to a sitcom or drama series. Heck, ABC even booted "NYPD Blue" out of its 10 p.m. Tuesday night home for five weeks in March and early April so it could air "The Family," a backstabbing battle for a $1 million fake inheritance involving the squabbling members of a blue-collar Italian-American family from New Jersey. The good news? "The Family" fizzled badly, failing to attract as many viewers as Det. Sipowicz & Co. Is annoying loyal "Blue" viewers really a good idea, ABC? Not. But ABC deserves a gold star for handing out early fall season renewals to "Alias" and "Life with Bonnie." And "NYPD Blue" also was among the Alphabet Network's early renewals. That's not all. Fox recently did the right thing with "24," giving the supercharged Kiefer Sutherland suspense thriller a green light for next year. Now if they'd only do the same thing for Bernie Mac and Cedric the Entertainer. Maybe if Cedric's Cafeteria Lady just crashed a meeting of Fox program executives and shared a bit of her caustically funky wisdom, they'd wise up. If only. Mike Duffy's top five shows worth saving March 27, 2003 "Boomtown": A sharp, unconventional Los Angeles crime drama. Blessed with strong writing and fine acting by a first-rate ensemble that includes Mykelti Williamson and Donnie Wahlberg. Each week's crime is viewed through the interweaving, sometimes clashing perspectives of its characters. Chance of renewal: 60 percent. "The Bernie Mac Show" (Fox, 9 p.m. Wed.). The most original African-American family comedy since "The Cosby Show." Bernie Mac's playful, irreverent wit is also refreshingly honest. Big heart, big laughs. But too many preemptions. Chance of renewal: 75 percent. "Ed": A charming and witty portrait of the kooky human condition that recalls the loopiness of "Northern Exposure." So let's give bowling alley lawyer Ed Stevens (Tom Cavanagh) and Carol Vessey (Julie Bowen) an opportunity to finally find true love together. Chance of renewal: 30 percent. "Cedric the Entertainer Presents": Cedric is a true original. And his rambunctious, anything-goes wit, seen in such characters as the Cafeteria Lady and Dr. Love, helps make this a consistently funny sketch comedy. Chance of renewal: 25 percent. "Angel": Sensual, dark, funny and different, the supernatural cult fave has taken more interesting twists and turns this year. Angel (David Boreanaz) has gone bad, lost his soul and been transformed into neck-biting Angelus. Redemption may be near. But for this clever "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" spin-off, a fall season return is far less clear. Chance of renewal: 15 percent. |
How does Angel keep going from better than 50/50 chances to less than 15%?
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I was going to post the same thing about the Detroit free press.
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jadzia: what were the methods for saving ed? were they the same ones posted on www.stuckeyville.com?
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How to contact the networks
http://www.freep.com/entertainment/t...7_20030327.htm March 27, 2003 ABC: Susan Lyne, president, ABC Entertainment, 500 S. Buena Vista St., Burbank, CA 91521. Web site: www.abc.com. Audience relations e-mail: [email protected]. CBS: Nancy Tellem, president, CBS Entertainment, 7800 Beverly Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90036. Web site: www.cbs.com; click on Feedback. Viewer hot line: 212-975-3247. NBC: Jeff Zucker, president, NBC Entertainment, 3000 W. Alameda, Burbank, CA 91523. Web site: www.nbc.com; click on Contact Us. Audience relations hot lines: 212-664-2333 or 818-840-3614. FOX: Gail Berman, president, Fox Entertainment, Box 900, Beverly Hills, CA 90213. Web site: www.fox.com. Audience relations e-mail: [email protected]. Viewer comment hot line: 310-369-3066. WB: Jordan Levin, president, WB Entertainment, 4000 Warner Blvd., Bldg. 34R, Burbank, CA 91522. Web site: www.thewb.com. Feedback e-mail: [email protected]. UPN: Dawn Ostroff, president, UPN Entertainment, 11800 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025. Web site: www.upn.com. No viewer e-mail. Viewer hot line: 310-575-7123. |
Originally posted by Jadzia How to contact the networks http://www.freep.com/entertainment/t...7_20030327.htm March 27, 2003 ABC: Susan Lyne, president, ABC Entertainment, 500 S. Buena Vista St., Burbank, CA 91521. Web site: www.abc.com. Audience relations e-mail: [email protected]. CBS: Nancy Tellem, president, CBS Entertainment, 7800 Beverly Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90036. Web site: www.cbs.com; click on Feedback. Viewer hot line: 212-975-3247. NBC: Jeff Zucker, president, NBC Entertainment, 3000 W. Alameda, Burbank, CA 91523. Web site: www.nbc.com; click on Contact Us. Audience relations hot lines: 212-664-2333 or 818-840-3614. FOX: Gail Berman, president, Fox Entertainment, Box 900, Beverly Hills, CA 90213. Web site: www.fox.com. Audience relations e-mail: [email protected]. Viewer comment hot line: 310-369-3066. WB: Jordan Levin, president, WB Entertainment, 4000 Warner Blvd., Bldg. 34R, Burbank, CA 91522. Web site: www.thewb.com. Feedback e-mail: [email protected]. UPN: Dawn Ostroff, president, UPN Entertainment, 11800 Wilshire Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90025. Web site: www.upn.com. No viewer e-mail. Viewer hot line: 310-575-7123. |
One of the things I've been reading about the possibility of Angel returning was how well/poorly Black Sash does.
Ratings are in for last nights Black Sash: 2.5/3 Which is a huge drop (for a WB series, anyway) from week 1 and is also lower than all first-run Angel episodes. Good for Angel, Bad for Black Sash. |
Originally posted by Chew One of the things I've been reading about the possibility of Angel returning was how well/poorly Black Sash does. Ratings are in for last nights Black Sash: 2.5/3 Which is a huge drop (for a WB series, anyway) from week 1 and is also lower than all first-run Angel episodes. Good for Angel, Bad for Black Sash. On the other hand, Angel is one of the very best shows on television. So if the fate of Angel is dependent on the failure of Black Sash I will heartily root for it to crash and burn. |
Originally posted by movielib I've watched the first two episodes of Black Sash and they seem to be five hours long. I'm not watching it any more. On the other hand, Angel is one of the very best shows on television. So if the fate of Angel is dependent on the failure of Black Sash I will heartily root for it to crash and burn. chew: link to something with the angel vs black sash thing? thanks. |
Originally posted by WiccanPagan chew: link to something with the angel vs black sash thing? thanks. |
okay so it is dependant on how it did vs how black sash does in the same timeslot. sounds like a fair comparison, too bad wb can't seem to get a new drama on a roll this season. everwood was reportedly on the chopping block before, birds of prey got the chop, black sash looks next, angel not faring well.
and i just read about the gilmore girls spinoff. eh, pass. |
We received a number of letters concerning this. First off, UPN is under no obligation to pick "Angel" up from the WB should they cancel it. I know many people assume this will happen however that's not the case. Secondly, keep in mind a lot can change from now until May 12 when the Frog announces its schedule. In fact just yesterday "Black Sash's" collapse in the ratings definitely helped "Angel's" chances at returning. As for Wednesday being a "death slot," to be completely honest the "death slot" excuse gets rather old. There's no "safe slot" to launch any series. Just as many people complained about "Angel's" Monday and Sunday time slots over the years (Mondays sucked because it followed "7th Heaven," Sundays blew because it faced off against "Alias" and "The Sopranos," among others), I'm still waiting to hear what the magic time slot is people think "Angel" would automatically do well in. The fact is (and again, let me say this - something I don't enjoy saying) "Angel's" audience has reached an all time low and it's the least watched out of all the WB's dramas this season (now officially tied with the ending "Dawson's Creek"). Would tossing in some "Buffy" characters help the series? I have no doubt. Would it really make a substantial jump in the ratings? I don't know if I'd take that bet. |
I didn't see the first episode of Black Sash, but watched the second one. OMG that was a horrible show. The fight scenes were laugh-out-loud bad, the acting was horrible, and the plot itself was just abysmal.
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I've been reading the Buffy/Angel spoiler sites, and from what I can extrapolate, it seems that the chances for a fifth year of Angel are looking better than they were a few weeks ago.
Just seems that the general tone of the information coming out seems more upbeat, and ME seems to be making plans for a fifth year. |
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