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Old 08-12-03, 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by Sessa17
I know this is going off topic, & I apoligize, but I can't help myself. Coulter backs her bold statements up with fact. You and/or liberals simply don't like the facts, but they are still facts & can't be disputed.
This is where you seem to completely muddy the argument with comments like "facts can't be disputed." Ann Coulter makes things up ALL the time and presents them as facts. Does this seriously mean they cannot be disputed? Hannity does this as well, I'm sure Maher does, Limbaugh does, etc. Some do it with the intent of misinforming the public, like Coulter. Some get the facts wrong or are simply misunderstood or taken out of context.

I've watched the show twice now and found that Ms. Garafolo seemed very reasonable if she is, indeed, now an example of the far left wing. You jump quick to defend Coulter as being misquoted, yet you watch one show and critique Janeane unmercifully. Even Bill seemed dumbfounded when Janeane said there was no liberal media. Of course there is. But a reasoned individual might be able to look closely at what she said in the heat of the moment and come to the conclusion that she might have been mistaken that that the point was liberal media bias and she was so caught up in the moment that she didn't realize her mistake.

The debate about there being a liberal bias in the major media has gone on for a long time, the liberals have taken a beating on that issue, and she likely feels strongly that it isn't true. Calling her a stupid whore, a moron, and the dumbest, most ill-informed woman the Democrats have sounds just like the "reasoned" comments of a Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh.

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Old 08-12-03, 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by dolphinboy
This is where you seem to completely muddy the argument with comments like "facts can't be disputed." Ann Coulter makes things up ALL the time and presents them as facts.


If she does this all the time then please give some examples. I've read her books & she does not write about what she cannot backup with some evidence.

Does this seriously mean they cannot be disputed? Hannity does this as well, I'm sure Maher does, Limbaugh does, etc. Some do it with the intent of misinforming the public, like Coulter. Some get the facts wrong or are simply misunderstood or taken out of context.
No, facts canno be disputed. Garofalo does just what you said. She presents things with the intent of misinforming the public. Rush & others have invited her on their shows & she will not go. She was on O'Riley & when questioned to back up her statements she provided nothing.

I've watched the show twice now and found that Ms. Garafolo seemed very reasonable if she is, indeed, now an example of the far left wing. You jump quick to defend Coulter as being misquoted, yet you watch one show and critique Janeane unmercifully.
Are you joking? Coulter in this thread was misquoted completely. That is all I posted. Someone took random Coulter posts, & posted them here. That is COMPLETELY different from criticizing Janeane. I criticized her in the exact context she spoke in. And it's from more than one show. I've seen her on Maher, O'Riley, & read her in numerous publications. She says the same thing everywhere.


Even Bill seemed dumbfounded when Janeane said there was no liberal media. Of course there is. But a reasoned individual might be able to look closely at what she said in the heat of the moment and come to the conclusion that she might have been mistaken that that the point was liberal media bias and she was so caught up in the moment that she didn't realize her mistake.
A reasonable person who has NEVER seen JG before or watched her interview before may say that. But a REASONABLE person who follows politics, as well as media would KNOW that JG was not mistaken. She has been taken this stance for a while now. Your comment is my EXACT point with why I hate people like JG & shows like Maher's. B.c people that don't know about the subject walk away from shows like that trying to justify or even agreeing with people that have terrible views & know nothing about what they are talking about. But b/c they are celebrities people listen.

The debate about there being a liberal bias in the major media has gone on for a long time, the liberals have taken a beating on that issue, and she likely feels strongly that it isn't true. Calling her a stupid whore, a moron, and the dumbest, most ill-informed woman the Democrats have sounds just like the "reasoned" comments of a Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh.
Well, a "whore" is just awful & wrong. But she is stupid & it IS exactly like a comment Rush would make, b/c it's true. People hate Rush b/c he states the truth, but people don't want the truth. Cleary Garofalo is the perfect example of that.
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Old 08-12-03, 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sessa17


Well, a "whore" is just awful & wrong. But she is stupid & it IS exactly like a comment Rush would make, b/c it's true. People hate Rush b/c he states the truth, but people don't want the truth. Cleary Garofalo is the perfect example of that.


Seriously.....you are insanely misguided. Rush and Coulter are the bastions of "Fact" in political discourse?

we need a lying down pounding on the floor crying i'm laughing so hard smiley....
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Old 08-12-03, 10:58 PM
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so, to sum up:

She is just plain nuts
what a stupid hollywood whore
She is a huge conspiracy nut
Garofalo is a bit of a nut
Garofalo is probably literally the dumbest, most ill-informed moron
she is stupid
Well goddamn....how could we not be swayed by such powerfully eloquent and reasoned critiques of Ms. Garofalo's opinions?

Attack the messenger...call him/her stupid....never actually address the point at hand...and walk away with head held self-righteously high....laughably predictable...but frighteningly close-minded, baseless, without merit, and quite frankly, completely insulting.

While dave is of course in his own league, Mr. Lopez and Sessa here have shown themselves to be little more than shills for the ridiculously slanted conservative blowhards dominating so much media these days who make their living insulting anyone they don't agree with rather than trying to make any kind of a reasoned argument...come on...can't anyone actually make a point regarding something Garofalo actually said that doesn't involve impugning her intelligence or calling her a whore? If not, then you are far more asinine than you claim her to be.....

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Old 08-13-03, 02:39 AM
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And the liberals seem to want to bash FOXNEWS ever since they took the ratings crown away from CNN.
They say FOXNEWS is rightwing.
Hannity & Colmes has a liberal & conservatives as hosts.
Geraldo Rivera is hardcore liberal.
And O'reilly does have both sides on.
Al Sharpton is on FOXNEWS alot.
FOXNEWS is fair.
If it shows liberals as being wrong on issues, well duh?!
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Old 08-13-03, 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by wm lopez

FOXNEWS is fair.
Don't forget...and balanced. Or did you leave that out on purpose because you were worried about getting sued?

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Old 08-13-03, 10:33 AM
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[[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sessa17

People hate Rush b/c he states the truth, but people don't want the truth.



...oh, wait: you're serious. That's scary.

Everytime I see Ann Coulter on TV, she only seems to back up her points by becoming more and more shrill so I certainly hope she's presenting up her "facts" a little bit better in print.
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Old 08-13-03, 07:37 PM
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Clearly nobody is going to change another's mind. And I'm not trying to. All the liberals can believe what they want & hopefully some day you will come to your senses & see the truth (I know I did, I was a huge democrat before I educated myself) & keep on voting until socialism takes this country over which is what the democratic party represents (which is proven). If you want FACTS go look throughout history at how successful every single socialist nation has been.
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Old 08-14-03, 12:06 PM
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Ann Coulter is a shock pundit...she makes valid points on political discourse but uses language that stirrs up emotion in order to gain attention. She is the right's response to Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, et al.
But unlike Chomsky and Moore, Coulter takes a viewpoint that traditionally did not find large book publishers with huge advances. Ann Coulter just signed for a 3mill+ advance for the follow up to TREASON. Yet in SLANDER she systematically lists how hard it was for conservative authors to get noticed. She effectivly changed the system. Add to that the fact that she's a constitutional lawyer and an excelent writer and I'd say that Coulter is extreme to the point of getting a message across to a non-receptive media.

To me Garafallo is wrongheaded, but shes got balls, and I respect that. While George Clooney or Spike Lee make political quotes to entertainment reporters in a 30 second interview at a film premier, Garafallo will go on news programs and debate her ideas. I believe her wrong and do agree with the idea that shes a nut ("Fox News is like the thick necked jock who kicked your ass in High School. Now there grown up and still harassing you" Huh?) but she gets credit where credit is due.
Another perfect example of the 'Hollywood punditry' is Alec Baldwin, he's a firebrand on letterman but he shut the F*** up when confronted with Christopher Hichens on the Iraq topic.

Now a quick point on Fox News
Fox is a news channel with host oriented programs, lets look at thier hosts
Oriley- Conservative
Hannity and Comes - Dyes in the wool conservative and a liberal
Gretta Van Susteren - mostly does law related topics, but I would call her in the center, she is from CNN
Brit Hume - my favorite anchor on TV, just a straight up newshound and student of the political process, reguardless of his personell beliefs (has a daily 2 lib 1 con panel)
Tony Snow - Conservative host with a centerist show
Mort Kondrake and Fred Barnes - Democrat (i wouldnt call mort a liberal) and Conservative
Cavuto - Conservative
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Fox News Watch - 2 libs, 2cons and a referee type host.
There are other shows but thats the major ones.
Compare this to the CNN and MSNBC anchors and you will see that they all have a lean in one direction or another
Compare that to the news on ABC, CBS, NBC network programs and Fox's conservative lean is mild.
Compare it to the sum total of newspaper coverage and Fox's lean is nothing
As a point, when Regan won 49 ststes in 1984 85% of the national jornalists voted for Mondale.

Rush Limbaugh is a OPINION show that was not financed by any major network, he just rose to prominance through (gasp!) A LARGE AUDIENCE!
Compare that with the total carear recussitation that a guy like Al Franken gets from the media every so often and the process starts to reveal itself.

Finally Ann Coulter was number 2 on the NYT best Sellers behind Hilliary with 1/1000th of the publicity that HRC got for her book. Imagine if the media were fair?
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Wow. That was a fantastic post. More than 10 sentences, and I read the whole thing. That is saying a lot.
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Originally posted by Sessa17
Clearly nobody is going to change another's mind. And I'm not trying to. All the liberals can believe what they want & hopefully some day you will come to your senses & see the truth (I know I did, I was a huge democrat before I educated myself) & keep on voting until socialism takes this country over which is what the democratic party represents (which is proven). If you want FACTS go look throughout history at how successful every single socialist nation has been.
Better socialism than fascism, my friend.
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Better socialism than fascism, my friend.
Which is also proven.


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Real Time 8/15/03 Ann Coulter and Orland Jones! I'm in love!!!!

Two of my favorite people in the world. Orlando Jones and Bill Maher are just awesome. I was suprised that Bill Maher said that Ann Coulter was one of his best friends "whether you like it or not"

Pretty good episode. The Ariana Huffington thing was crap. It is obvious everyone knows Arnold is the frontrunner.

Jessie Ventura was pretty good as well.
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I'm not going to be all controversial and lash back at last week's Bill Maher thread by calling Ann Coulter a stupid republican whore. No, that would be silly.

All I know is that everytime I see her on television, the hackles stand up on the back of my neck, I grow nauseous, and tend to hate anything even remotely right wing. She has no balance, it's all propaganda-speak for hardcore conservative values.

I have a feeling that she can back up everything she says with hard facts, unfortunately those hard facts are probably all from some conservative statistical source. Did you see the way she kept on about this Chicago sex study, that claims Religious Christian women had more orgasms than anyone else? She was using that to prove her point about liberals having cold lame sex.

WHY? what point does any of this serve her? Who cares. She sucks! Liberals suck, republicans rule!!! Does any of this remind people of fifth grade?
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She is amusing in he wackiness to me. I was honestly suprised that she and Bill Maher are very good friends. I think she just lives to make people's hackles stand up.

I stand behind Janeane Garofalo being a stupid whore, however
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I can't stand ANN COULTER [her voice annoys me, etc.], but everytime I see her on Bill's show the only thing that goes through my mind is, "DAMN I WANNA F _ _ K HER!"
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Originally posted by kvrdave
I stand behind Janeane Garofalo being a stupid whore, however
It kind of amazes me that you disagree with Garafalo's debating style, and then call her a whore. Seems pretty damn mysoginistic. See I wanna call Ann Coulter a stupid annoying whore - but that actually does a huge disservice to stupid annoying whores everywhere!
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Originally posted by gerrythedon
I can't stand ANN COULTER [her voice annoys me, etc.], but everytime I see her on Bill's show the only thing that goes through my mind is, "DAMN I WANNA F _ _ K HER!"
I'm married but if I wasn't, I wouldn't mind testing the conservatives are better lovers theory with Ann.

What's wrong with me?

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The only reason Bill Maher is nice to that dumb ugly disgusting crazy psycho bitch is because he probably wants to bang that pig. But alas, he's on the wrong ladder and is thus her intellectual whore. She's monumentally stupid, boring, and shrill, but I have to admit...sometimes I wonder if this NRA, KKK flea bag takes it up the A and then swallows.
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The only reason Bill Maher is nice to that dumb ugly disgusting crazy psycho bitch is because he probably wants to bang that pig. But alas, he's on the wrong ladder and is thus her intellectual whore. She's monumentally stupid, boring, and shrill, but I have to admit...sometimes I wonder if this NRA, KKK flea bag takes it up the A and then swallows.
Didn't most of us get over this kind of way of attacking people while we were in 6th grade?
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Didn't most of us get over this kind of way of attacking people while we were in 6th grade?
I'm simply using the Ann Coulter method.
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Originally posted by Variable697
The only reason Bill Maher is nice to that dumb ugly disgusting crazy psycho bitch is because he probably wants to bang that pig. But alas, he's on the wrong ladder and is thus her intellectual whore. She's monumentally stupid, boring, and shrill, but I have to admit...sometimes I wonder if this NRA, KKK flea bag takes it up the A and then swallows.
You better watch out. The liberals around here are going to roast you for saying this because they don't like it when people just call others names rather than talk about what their views are.


Okay, liberals, flame this guy.



waiting.....



waiting.....


hmmmmm...
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Originally posted by Variable697
The only reason Bill Maher is nice to that dumb ugly disgusting crazy psycho bitch is because he probably wants to bang that pig. But alas, he's on the wrong ladder and is thus her intellectual whore. She's monumentally stupid, boring, and shrill, but I have to admit...sometimes I wonder if this NRA, KKK flea bag takes it up the A and then swallows.
I don't think so.

I remember on "Politically Incorrect" once that she called Clinton a pervert for his *ahem* thing with Monica.

She used to date Bob Guccione, Jr., former publisher of Spin magazine, who was later forced off of the magazine for allegations of fooling around with the interns.

Put the two together, and it might lead one to beleive that Bob, Jr., wasn't getting something he wanted out of the relationship.

My vote is that she's uptight and a horrible lay.
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Isn't this dumb whore approaching 50 and she's still not married and doesn't have kids? What kind of Republican is she? Be a good Christian, get married, have rug-rats, cut your long hair, gain 60 lbs. and get back into the kitchen, bitch!
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