Heh. Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks these things.

These are the same people who found out that Andrew murdered Jonathan and... Made him their cook. They didn't take him to the police after they pumped all the information out of him (despite repeated complaints about his general uselessness.) They kept him around.Chloe's family, if she had any, doesn't need any closure or anything. They couldn't put the body somewhere it would be found (Sunnydale PD has the investigative skills of a pudding cup, so it's not like they'd track the body back to the house.) They had to bury it somewhere. Because Buffy is the Law.

Is it just me, or is this theory (which does fit) really, really depressing? Buffy was being offered the same thing that brought about the whole Slayer line. So, we basically find out that Buffy's power owes its existence to a legacy of demonic rape? The First Slayer was, like pretty much all females on Buffy lately, a victim. Erk.

I kind of think of Spike's continued existence as an ongoing series of contrivances, so I occasionally use bizarre phrasing to refer to him.

And that one of them’s making nasty lesbian love in her house without adult supervision and not going to school.


Maybe Buffy’s lectures are some way her character is evolving. Maybe there’s a purpose to it all that will eventually be revealed. Maybe she’ll lose her voice before the next opportunity to lecture.

i like Buffy's speeches , they rock and show a more forceful side of Buffy

Let's face it, Police and the law don't exist in the Buffy universe

Loved seeing kick ar*se Spike returning, i want him to give the principal a good beat down !

The last thing...DUDE!

You think about the last thing and it's like whoa... but then you think about the first thing again, and dude!

Dude, it's just so like, Whoa!

Dude!

Isn't Kennedy underage? Or at least really close to being underage?

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Iyari (Kennedy) Limon was born in '82, at least according to IMDB.

So that means with no concern for legalities..........

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with her character's age. Most of the slayer wannabes are about 15-16 tops. Odds are she's underage. Willow's a brownie hound.

I remember Kennedy making some reference early on about how she was getting a little too old to be called into service as the Slayer. Using that I think its pretty clear she is supposed to be at least 18 or 19. For a show which deals pretty frankly with alternative lifestyles I'd think the last thing they would want to do is open themselves up to charges of featuring lesbian minors engaging in sexual activity.

Yeah, unless they want BIG ratings.........

I always assumed the character Kennedy was in the 18-20 year old range, btw.

There was one point in Buffy's speech where Kennedy started whining about something and Buffy and Willow started looking at each other. It looked just like the "look exchange" from a few episodes ago where they were talking telepathically. Did anyone else think this? I thought for sure we were going to see the scene replayed again with their mental dialogue.

She probably is, I don't think the show is going for underage lesbian sex. I still think Willow's a brownie hound though.

well, using the Buffy timeline, Willow is what?...22/23?....if Kennedy is 19 to 20 that is not that far off....and it was Kennedy who played the aggressor...I don't find Kennedy nearly as annoying as most of the of SITs...and the whole "maggot" thing really did feel like an homage to Full Metal Jacket....

Nope. Unless someone pulls a quote, it has to be assumed that she's in the same age range as the other Pre-Slayers. maybe a year older. I put her at 17. Somebody better call the cops.

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Except, we don't know they're sleeping together do we? I get the feeling they're interested but things haven't progressed because of the crowded house etc.

I was thinking about the end of the series and how Kennedy might be concerned. She seems kind of cocky and egotistical, kind of like a spirited apprentice of another genre series that is on the big screen.

My thinking: Not what I want, but a possibility.

I am 87% sure she specifically said she was 19. I remember thinking "I bet she said that so she and Willow can hook up."

Not sure of the ep though. Someone help me!

Well, okay, but it's still possible to be an arrogant, power-mad, abusive, insensitive twit while making homages to popular movies.

Don't remember the age, but I remember her saying she was probably too old to be called as the slayer.

Great episode, i had to tape it and my tape stopped early, can somone give me the dialogue from the last 5 minutes or what they were talking about. thanks

Willow asks Buffy what happened while she was gone. Buffy comments that she was wrong to refuse power and that the First Slayer was right about there being "Not Enough." Willow asks what she saw and it cuts to what is basically the Uruk-Hai at Orthanc scene in The Two Towers with Turok-Hans (the super vampire, escept an army of them) instead of Uruk-Hai.

On a side note, does anyone else think that

Switching gears a little...

I just watched "Ammends" for the first time last night. Without getting all spoilery, I think it's pretty obvious why The First is back and, at least, why the two shows are connected. I'd like to think that was the groundwork laid for whenever they decided to end the series.

Pretty great episode, that one.

I don't think Willow is a brownie hound because of Kennedy's age, or anything to do with Kennedy. I just think she's a brownie hound.