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The Questyen 06-05-18 02:27 PM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Original Desmond (Post 13346284)
I was hoping 1 was the worst and they just got better and better

Is it feasible to jump from season 1 to season 4 skipping 2 and 3 ?

Just stop watching now.

Timber 06-05-18 04:52 PM

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Best tits in the history of TV in season 2. Just my opinion...

And yes at the start of season 2 you're like WTF but by the end and upon 2nd viewing it's right up there with the other seasons.

thematahara 06-05-18 05:52 PM

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I watched all of these for the first times a few months ago. Takes a minute to get invested, but once it all clicked for me, I understand all the hype.

I think the show really has to be looked at at the macro level to be truly appreciated. The way every season seems to be unrelated but then weaves back into the others to make one huge story is amazing.

buckeyes8604 06-05-18 06:10 PM

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I love the show so much. They did an amazing job with the Blu-ray, it was like a brand new experience watching the new transfer for the first time. I normally don't rewatch TV series but I've see the entire run 4-5 times now and I love it more and more each time.

T-bone22 06-05-18 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Timber (Post 13346710)
Best tits in the history of TV in season 2. Just my opinion...

And yes at the start of season 2 you're like WTF but by the end and upon 2nd viewing it's right up there with the other seasons.

I know the tits of which you speak... very nice.

Michael T Hudson 06-05-18 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Goonies85 (Post 13346314)
I still feel that Season Three is the best. Love the whole Barksdale saga and everything that goes on with Stringer Bell...Season Two was kind of a diversion but I enjoyed it over time...Season Three is when they brought it back to what was going on in Season One and I really appreciated it...Season Four was still great...Season Five, while disappointing overall, was still well worth watching because if that's the worst season of a series, then you're still pretty lucky to have seen it...It just didn't live up to what came before it...

Season 3 is my favorite as well. The opening scene with Omar and Brother Mouzone was amazing.

johnnysd 06-06-18 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by T-bone22 (Post 13346818)
I know the tits of which you speak... very nice.

Whos tits? I am blanking?

Gunde 06-06-18 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13346148)
4,2,1,3,5

My ranking as well. I was blown away by how fantastic season 2 was the second time around.

bunkaroo 06-06-18 09:49 AM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by johnnysd (Post 13346985)
Whos tits? I am blanking?

Nick Sobotka's girlfriend. Actress name is Kristin Proctor.

As far as best tits in TV history, I think that goes to True Detective Season 1. Alexandra Daddario. -other-

Cusm 06-06-18 06:25 PM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 13347163)
Nick Sobotka's girlfriend. Actress name is Kristin Proctor.

As far as best tits in TV history, I think that goes to True Detective Season 1. Alexandra Daddario. -other-

Agreed.

thematahara 06-07-18 10:47 AM

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Anyone seen the Marvelous Mrs Maisel?

Goat3001 09-18-18 08:26 AM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 
This thread bump from a few months back got me in the mood for a re-watch, which I just completed. This was my third run through the show and it's still as great as it was the first time I watched.

A brain dump --

Spoiler:
McNulty is an asshole but also a great character. The first two times I thought he was just an asshole. This time I understand his point of view a lot more. He hates all the political BS and wants free reign to solve crime. That's commendable. His me-first attitude though makes him... an asshole. The serial killer stuff may have been a big stretch for this show but at the same time, it doesn't feel at all out of character for McNulty. He always understood that his actions would have repercussions but he didn't care as long as his main goal was accomplished.

Daniels was good fodder for McNulty despite having the same goals. He didn't break chain of command and it pushed him up the ladder. But if it weren't for the shenanigans that McNulty pulled in season 3 to get Major Crimes to go after Barksdale, Daniels would have never been made Major. Goes to show that in this fucked up world of Baltimore PD, guys like Daniels need guys like McNulty to break the rules for them.

Omar is generally considered everyone's favorite character. He is great and one thing I picked up on this time that I didn't the first two times is how inconsequential his death was to the big picture. After he died, Alma went to Gus at the newspaper to ask how to work in 3 stories. One of them was Omar's murder and Gus didn't give it a second look before bumping it from the paper. After following Omar for so long and the show being so impacted by his character, that scene was a reminder that he wasn't actually anyone of any importance.

The kids -- Dukie, Mike, Randy and Namond -- were great additions to the show. I can imagine the risk they knew they were taking by building an entire season on 4 kids. They ended up getting lucky though because they physically grew so much between seasons that it was easier to show them as 'no longer kids' in season 5. Dukie asking Mike if he remembers the time they jumped the terrace boys with the piss balloons was a heartbreaking moment.

Another thing the show did great was bringing all it's characters full circle. Kima wasn't ever a big cast member. Her story was always told in the background. But her moving from drugs/major crimes to homicide lined up with her going from a personal life being a loyal, loving person to a drunk, distant partner/mother. Her story isn't much different than McNulty's.

The show touched on a few things that are even more relevant today than they were when the show was on the air. Lots of police brutality and lots of police protecting police. Even Daniels, the gold standard for police, did everything he could to protect his own when they fucked up. Pres shooting the black police officer is something that would be a much bigger story line if the show were written today too. And of course, the Sun looking the other way on Scott Tempelton making up stories (#FakeNews) for their paper and it led to them winning a Pulitzer.

Murray Levi is hands down the scummiest character in TV history. A real piece of shit through and through. I would have loved to see him get his comeuppance but people like that are like cockroaches, they find a way to survive.

Another thing I didn't pick on the first two times through this show -- Rawls is gay.

mwbmis 09-18-18 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat3001 (Post 13409798)
A brain dump --

Spoiler:


Omar is generally considered everyone's favorite character. He is great and one thing I picked up on this time that I didn't the first two times is how inconsequential his death was to the big picture. After he died, Alma went to Gus at the newspaper to ask how to work in 3 stories. One of them was Omar's murder and Gus didn't give it a second look before bumping it from the paper. After following Omar for so long and the show being so impacted by his character, that scene was a reminder that he wasn't actually anyone of any importance.


As I recall Simon talked about this after season 5 aired. He said something along the lines of it wasn't accidental that the paper whiffed on just about every big story. In the grand scheme of things Omar wasn't as important as Prop Joe, but the paper missed that too.

The Questyen 09-18-18 10:11 AM

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Just a reminder for anyone who loved the series to read the fantastic book All the Pieces Matter which has fantastic interviews and discussions with pretty much everyone involved in the show.

BDB 09-18-18 01:43 PM

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I love when this thread gets bumped.

Goat3001 09-18-18 02:52 PM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by mwbmis (Post 13409804)
As I recall Simon talked about this after season 5 aired. He said something along the lines of it wasn't accidental that the paper whiffed on just about every big story. In the grand scheme of things Omar wasn't as important as Prop Joe, but the paper missed that too.

I'd like to hear more of what Simon said about it since that wasn't my takeaway. I didn't see it as The Sun whiffing on big stories, but instead that Omar and even Prop Joe are nobodies in the grand scheme of things. They're inner-city Baltimore drug traders. Despite how much the viewer has invested in them, they're not actually important enough for even a blurb in the paper.


Originally Posted by The Questyen (Post 13409856)
Just a reminder for anyone who loved the series to read the fantastic book All the Pieces Matter which has fantastic interviews and discussions with pretty much everyone involved in the show.

That popped up on my Amazon a few weeks ago and it's been sitting in my house waiting to be read. I'm going to dive into it soon and thanks for the rec.

mwbmis 09-18-18 04:10 PM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Goat3001 (Post 13410059)
I'd like to hear more of what Simon said about it since that wasn't my takeaway. I didn't see it as The Sun whiffing on big stories, but instead that Omar and even Prop Joe are nobodies in the grand scheme of things. They're inner-city Baltimore drug traders. Despite how much the viewer has invested in them, they're not actually important enough for even a blurb in the paper.

Found his story from the week after season 5 finished.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/david...n_b_91926.html

Nefarious 09-18-18 10:45 PM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by The Questyen (Post 13409856)
Just a reminder for anyone who loved the series to read the fantastic book All the Pieces Matter which has fantastic interviews and discussions with pretty much everyone involved in the show.

Yes, yes, yes.


Originally Posted by Goat3001 (Post 13410059)
I'd like to hear more of what Simon said about it since that wasn't my takeaway. I didn't see it as The Sun whiffing on big stories, but instead that Omar and even Prop Joe are nobodies in the grand scheme of things. They're inner-city Baltimore drug traders. Despite how much the viewer has invested in them, they're not actually important enough for even a blurb in the paper.



That popped up on my Amazon a few weeks ago and it's been sitting in my house waiting to be read. I'm going to dive into it soon and thanks for the rec.

From what I recall him saying, he attributed it to how newspapers had been decimated of good, experienced reporters that would even have been aware of an Omar and his societal role, etc.

Open that book now. It's just amazingly done and such a treat to read about how important this show was to the actors, what a family they became, and how hard so many people fought to keep the show going.

Timber 09-19-18 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BDB (Post 13410007)
I love when this thread gets bumped.

Yes, I love it too.

I assumed that Omar and Prop Joe's deaths weren't covered to show that in the grand scheme of things they didn't matter. They were bit players in a much larger Baltimore drug game and no one would miss them, they'd be replaced by other bit players doing those same jobs. The game continues and the players don't matter.

lisadoris 04-01-19 07:40 AM

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So I just finished re-watching Homicide: Life on the Street for the Action/Adventure/Crime Challenge and I am going to start re-watching The Wire. Would anyone mind if I hijacked this thread for my episode thoughts?

eXcentris 04-01-19 01:27 PM

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I rewatched it recently (1st time on Blu-ray new format) and I still enjoyed it immensely. S3 is still my least favorite. Too much politics. Stringer Bell was never a particularly interesting character to me so it lessened the impact of his death, although I loved how that entire scene was shot. "Hamsterdam" never really worked for me because I never believed they could do this without getting caught within a couple of days. It was still interesting, but it missed a few opportunities. For example, one person dies of OD, Johnny, a one-dimensional character I doubt the audience was really invested in. Pulled a punch, should have killed Bubbles. And apparently, Marlo's army of 2 is enough to become the next big player. ;)

Anyway, that's just off the top of my head, and probably much nit-picking, because I still love this show.

lisadoris 04-02-19 05:05 AM

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Ok, since there weren't any objections, I'm jumping in. Spoilers ahead:

1.1 “The Target” we get introduced to most of the players. In court, D’Angelo Barksdale skates on a murder charge presumably by paying a witness to change her testimony. The judge in the case asks to talk to a detective who was scoping out the trial. McNulty makes the mistake of telling the judge the truth” Barksdale organization controls 5 out of 7 towers and are dropping bodies all over. We meet Det. Kima Gregg from Narcotics, her two underlings Herc and Carver, who are fighting the war on drugs one brutality case at a time and her supervisor Daniels. McNulty’s partner Bunk takes a call because he gives a fuck when it ain’t his turn. Daniels and the rest of the brass get their butts handed to him because of McNulty’s truth-telling and nobody knows nothing. Nobody much cares about this; they’re going to do just enough to shut the judge up and walk away. His Major promises to screw him and McNulty admits that the one place he doesn’t want to work is the Marine Unit. D’Angelo goes back to work but is demoted to the Pit. His crew includes a super young Michael B. Jordan who rightfully tells them that Hamilton was never POTUS. Last, we meet Bubbles, an addict who finds ways to hustle drugs. Bubbles schools his friend in scams but the friend gets caught and gets beat down. Bubbles retaliates by going to Kima to drop a dime. We end with the truthful witness in D’Angelo’s case found murdered. Telling the truth doesn’t pay. I counted no fewer than 4 Homicide alums in this episode plus Clark Johnson directed.

1.2 “The Detail” The new Barksdale investigation unit moves into their new digs: a basement room with no electricity and a new detective Prez who shoots the wall. D’Angelgo gives the Pit kids a brilliant Intro to Capitalism lesson involving chicken McNuggets. Bubbles uses a nifty hat trick to let Gregg know who the players are in the Barkesdale org. McNulty goes rouge and Greggs is there to snitch. Bunk and McNulty guilt D’Angelo into apologizing for the witness’s murder. D’Angelo also tells uncle Avon that he’s not too happy about the witness’s murder. Det. Freamon joins the crew with his doll furniture. Herc, Carver, and Prez get drunk and decides to violate the constitutional rights of the project residents. Prez punches a young man and blinds him in one eye. The residents, rightfully IMHO, start throwing things out the window in protest. Daniels concocts a lie about what happened, and his wife tells him that was a bad idea but apparently, no one sells out their own, regardless of the dirt they do. And that’s one of many things wrong with the system.

1.3 “The Buys” Daniels is rewarded for helping Prez through the Grand Jury process since Prez is married to the Major’s daughter. It’s been two weeks and they still don’t even have a photo of Avon. As they run through what little they know about Avon, Kima mentions he used to box, Freamon takes that hint, goes to the gym, and finds an old boxing promotion poster with Avon’s picture. D’Angelo schools the Bodie and Wallace in chess and using that game as a metaphor for the drug game. Brilliant. McNulty uses his pull with the Feds to get some lightweight surveillance equipment. Stringer Bell educates D’Angelo on advertising and the fact that drugs will sell, regardless of quality. Turns out McNulty was screwing around with D.A. Pearlman while he was married, and they fall back into bed after discussions on how to clone a pagers. We finally meet everyone’s favorite character: Omar! He jacks D’Angelo’s stash and cash and shoots some poor dude in the leg with a shotgun. Poot shows he’s not cut out for this since his reaction to the stickup was to vomit. The brass want a show so they take the Pit and of course they don’t get a damn thing. One cop does a soccer-style flog and several other cops administer a beatdown on an unarmed suspect. Greggs runs across the yard to help – so much for the hope that female police would be less violent than their male counterparts. The Fed tells McNulty that they had a case against Daniels but the case they built died wasn’t pursued by B-More PD.

whotony 04-02-19 08:47 AM

Re: The Wire on HBO --- Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by lisadoris (Post 13526024)
So I just finished re-watching Homicide: Life on the Street for the Action/Adventure/Crime Challenge and I am going to start re-watching The Wire. Would anyone mind if I hijacked this thread for my episode thoughts?

This is a The Wire topic so why would anyone object?

eXcentris 04-02-19 12:52 PM

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I don't object but I expected "thoughts" to be something other than merely describing in detail what happens in each episode. I don't see the point in that. I know what happens in the episodes, I watched them. ;)

Koby 04-02-19 01:16 PM

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I haven't ever watched The Wire, but a friend kept hounding me to check it out.

They also wanted me to watch The Expanse. I've made it to the middle of season 2 of The Expanse and when I'm caught up on that I intend to watch Deadwood and then finally check out The Wire.

So probably still a few months away given the speed I've been going at getting through other shows. Being a single father means I have very little time to be able to sit around for bingeing tv shows these days.


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