Are any of the evicted HGs ever on morning talk shows the next day?

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Steak

Anyone know if BB3 is on at 8 or 9pm EST today?

Last wednesday it was on at 8pm and I almost missed it thinking it was on at 9 like always.

Tonight it's on at 9:00pm edt.

Man, screw American Idol; Big Brother was so awesome. I can't believe Roddy couldn't give Amy his word. After hearing Roddy try to manipulate people this episode, I might have to degree with the devil label. He's such a great talker, but I guess I didn't see it as much before this episode.

BTW, could Amy have saved herself?

No, you can't save yourself with veto.

Man, why in the hell wouldn't Roddy have promised to vote with Amy if she saved him? All the playing he's been doing and he likely blew his chance to stay because of what? An alliance that doesn't even exist. He really screwed up bad.

I don't know if any of the Roddy defenders can still back him after that nasty, evil performance on today's show. He could criticize Marcellas for his nomination of Amy and his speech and then do one of the most manipulative, vindictive, nasty numbers I have ever seen on the poor girl? Marcellas did have Amy's best interests at heart and I think she now understands that. Roddy just wanted to guilt trip and punish her. And he wanted Amy to "keep her word" without promising he would veto her or even vote for her if she vetoed him? He is evil, evil, evil and I will rejoice when he is thrown out tomorrow 3-0.

Amy could not save herself. The rules only allow a nominee to veto the other nominee if he or she wins POV. But by not using the veto she has saved herself and all the rest of them from Voldemort.

Yeah, Roddy's little speech at the end was despicable. I always thought that he was a hard player but basically a good hearted person, but that speech he made to Amy was utter crap. I love how he kissed her on the head at the end, too, like "I forgive you." What a guy.

I missed half because of a local news coverage, could someone give a run down?

Thanks in advance.

I totally agree that BB is great and this cast has been the best of the 3. Just enough drama to keep me entertained (unlike he first), but not too much that I feel ill (like the last one).

But it's getting to the worst part of the game. The end-game on BB is tough to watch. When you get to 3 or 4 people and they have to really turn on each other for no other reason but that someone has to go or for strategy. And the person who does get "back-stabbed" never realizes that it had to be that person or someone else. The hate and anger can really go way up starting after the next eviction. And with Marcellas and Amy in there, I can see it getting really mean and negative because they don't think things through.

Somehow I feel like if Danielle chose someone other than Jason to get to the final 2 that he'd understand. That's why he's so damned hard to not like. Lisa might deal with it ok and as long as Amy is given enough liquor she'll deal ok too. The queen might flip out when or if he has to go.

Personally, I never understand why they take it so badly. Survivor is a true adventure and there are a lot of benifits to winning besides the 1,000,000. But I'd be pretty happy to have made it this far on a show like this and, at this point, I think I'd be itching to get out.

Has anyone else noticed that Lisa's hair comes down really far in the front, kind of like Eddie Munster's? I don't know why, but that really bothers me.

Tell me about it. "The Sherrif is dead" was a perfectly valid reason for cutting into BB3, but did they HAVE to interview everyone who ever MET him?

Regardless of what he's done up until now, if Roddy doesn't do something to make up for it he's going to be "remembered" for screwing with Amy's head at the end there. I'm sure he was mad at her, but he is so full of sh*t. He preaches about doing things one way but does them, himself, a completely different way. That speech was just a way to vent his anger at Amy while acting above her. That was really mean and I actually wouldn't mind seeing someone lay into him before he leaves. That was worse than the Marcellas speech because Marcellas was a) correct and b) had good intentions. Amy not using the POV was the best move she could have made FOR HERSELF. And Roddy had to make her feel like she was being used. What a dick!

I was loving every guilt-trip minute of Roddy's "conversation" with Ames in the papasan chairs. She deserved it because she sold herself out early in the game for some stupid little boxes in that early POV game (that Danielle eventually won) with her promise to Roddy to veto him the first chance the opportunity presented itself to her (should Roddy give her his boxes). She totally tried to squeeze more out of the deal after the fact, and on that basis, I don't blame Roddy for ripping into her integrity (for what it's worth in this game anyway). I can't believe Roddy had the foresight to extract that promise from Ames so early in the game. That shows you he was really thinking about getting promises by giving up very little in return. It would have been a great move had Ames followed through with her end of the deal.

The psychological warfare in this game is intense, you just don't see it because it isn't loud and in your face, but it simmers and brews beneath the surface all the time. When Roddy's in their face, he does frazzle all of the houseguests when he wants to kick it into high mind-F#@k mode.

Roddy's made a few mis-calculations: 1. was not hammering home the point that she made a deal, and wanted to change the deal when she realized she got too little in return after making the deal; 2. was not acquiescing to her demands to vote to keep her in should she veto his nomination; 3. was actually relying on bubblehead Ames to do the right thing when she hasn't shown a high level of intellectual honesty nor a capacity to follow through with her word.

Roddy got too stubborn at the wrong point in the game, and he will get the boot tomorrow. I don't even know why he was so adamant about saving Lisa should she be put up the block (even if he was playing for Eric's endvote, I'd guess Eric's vote would have been blocked by his final two competitor). That was mighty stupid on Roddy's part.

Roddy is correct that Ames proved herself to be a person untrustworthy, and will not go much too farther in the game from her non-use of the veto. I give Ames 2 more weeks in the house at most (if she does win HoH - it's been alluded to that the D/J/L want Ames to win and put up Marcellas and one of them, and with the other 2 voting, Marcellas gets the boot). But after that, Ames has no more protection or deals, so she'll get the boot in 2 weeks should she win HoH tomorrow.

I think we'll see a final 3 of D/L/J, and Lisa only goes to the final two if she wins the final HoH, and she'd better take Danielle if Lisa wants to win the money.

BTW, tonight's episode featured great editing, and they made an entertaining story of all of the twists and turns with the competitions for power and clothing, and causing all of the houseguests to be uneasy for yet another week due to the outcome of the POV contest.

Too bad they didn't show us the budding relationship between Roddy and Lisa (they've been "signing" under the covers in bed - nothing too romantic like Lisa had with Eric). Anyhow, Lisa's shown that she can make the tough game decision when it comes to matters of the heart, so I fully expect a 3-0 vote to boot Roddy because for Lisa to give Roddy her vote would single her out in the house, and that would give D/J leverage for mistrusting her for the rest of the game.

Patman, you make plenty of great points but I don't agree with you on a couple of things.

First off, Amy, if she stays, will go further than she would have had she used the POV. Whether it's 1 week, 2 weeks or all the way, that's better than leaving tomorrow so I think the decision pays off and makes sense that way.

Secondly, the whole integrity part is just ridiculous to discuss. The only one in that house who has been close to honest has been Jason. And I think he's been lucky to have not had to have been worse up til now. Roddy has manipulated with the best of them and if Amy chooses to break a promise to someone who really isn't watching her back, then I think that's part of the game and should be expected.

Playing this game with integrity is impossible if it's the same type of standards you'd use to measure in the real world. Amy isn't smart enough to think it out that way, but she ended up making the decision that was best for her. Regardless of how the house felt, she will likely play on.

To me, that's the point of the game. Being mean or abusive is one thing, but breaking a promise is how you move on in this game. And Roddy should know that and I believe that he does and that's why he felt the need to screw with Amy's head. Because, finally, his own manipulation game hasn't pulled him out of yet another fire.

Actually, I think Roddy's gone into this game as an experiment to see if it is possible to win BB if you don't break the promises you make inside the house. His problem is that there are other people who are only selfish and will only act in self preservation when honor dictates otherwise.

All Roddy had to do to stay inside the house was give Amy his vote, but he decided that the honorable thing was to keep his promise to look out for Lisa should she be put up by Marcellas in this instance. Roddy had no problems voting against Jason or Danielle. But this wasn't good enough for Ames (remember, this is the girl who wanted just ONE vote when she got ceremoniously bounced 5 weeks ago). Ames was psychologically befuddled the last time around when she got the boot, and wasn't about to keep her promise if it meant certain eviction.
Ames choose the road more travelled.

To get the best of people like Roddy means having to be careful with your promises. I keep my promises, but when I make a promise, it's mutally beneficial. Ames made a mutually unbeneficial promise to Roddy when she accepted Roddy's boxes for her promise not to veto him if she had the chance to save him (Ames was the one that brought this old promise up, not Roddy).

Does anyone remember that Roddy nominated Amy in the third week and she left on a 7-0 vote? Does anyone remember that Roddy voted to let Eric back into the house instead of Amy (granted that was to be expected; Eric was his buddy)?

[sarcasm]I can think of so many ways Amy owed it to Roddy to save him and ensure her own departure.[/sarcasm]

Amy simply would have been better off letting someone else win POV. But having won it, I don't see why she should have thrown herself on a sword to save this guy who had never done anything for her to keep a foolishly made, ill-advised promise (especially since everyone knows going in that part of the game may involve lying and breaking promises).

Well, if you're okay with breaking promises, then you should reap the guilt trip for breaking your promise. I have no problems with Ames breaking her promise (that's part of the game), but it doesn't mean that Roddy has to just sit there and not express his disappointment. If Ames is too stupid to just sit there and take it, who's fault is it? The reason Ames just sat there is because Roddy frames the moral dilemna in such a way that when someone does break their promise, the guilt becomes Dostoevsky-like, and Roddy is very effective is reminding what others have promised to him, and when they double-cross him, Roddy's only recourse is to remind them of their "moral failings" and no one wants to be thought of as morally weak, but self-interest (winning the game) forces them to break "perceived" promises and does make them question their self-worth (for a short while, at least). Sure, Roddy's going home, but without him, the show will be pretty boring.

Remember, the reason breaking promises means so much to these houseguests is simply due to the endgame vote. You're not only playing to survive week after week, but you trying to send others home while making them think you were a friend, and try to garner their vote at the end. By guilt-tripping the houseguests, Roddy is using the leverage of the endvote to sway people's actions to act "morally" when it comes to promises, and the real penalty for double-crossing him is not the guilt trip that he lays into people, no, it's his endvote, and the others who see who's playing above board, and who's really being a sneak.

Now, Ames knows that if she were to make it to the final two somehow, she most likely wouldn't get the votes of Roddy, Eric, Josh, Tanya, and Chiara. Ames can't win the big prize.

I don't get why Amy did that. There was no chance she was going to win or even be in the top 2. Why not leave with your head high knowing you kept a promise instead of leaving like a loser that no one can trust next week or the week after?

I think what Roddy did to Amy could be considered emotional abuse. I never truly hated him until last night. What an evil, selfish jerk.

He expects Amy to basically leave the house for him, and he won't even give her a vote to stay? What nerve.

And all because she made him a "promise" months ago? I would say that promise became null and void as soon as Amy was evicted from the house (ousted by Roddy who gave a nomination speech which was way more cruel than Marcellus'). Roddy didn't even vote her to come back into the house.

I'd say the minute she returned she was starting fresh on new ground. All bets were off.

For him to expect her to sacrifice herself to save him is the most self-centered thing I've ever seen. And then to play mind game son her and lay the guilt trip was despicable. If he was a true gentleman, Roddy would have told her he understood: that it was unfair of him to expect her to give up because of him. But no, he finally showed his true "devil" colors. Danielle is right, he is evil.

Well, it takes one to know one, and Dani is just as devilish.

This game is not a bed of roses. You don't win half a million bucks be just sitting there and smiling all day long.

I don't call it emotional abuse, I call it "calling a spade a spade."

Ames didn't have to bring up the promise, if she kept her big mouth shut, Roddy would not have had an angle to use. And if she were smarter, she might have gotten away with the "Well, y'all voted me out, so I have no previous deals with any of them." angle.

But Ames didn't play it that way because deep down she knows she went back on her word, and combine that with the lashing Marcellas gave her during the nominations, Ames was totally messed up in the self-worth department. But, you know what, that's part of the game. Ames didn't carry herself with much dignity, and people called her on it. I don't even know why she's in the house, she obviously doesn't want to win, but she doesn't have a clue either, nor the self-awareness to position herself to give herself a chance to win.

But I expect Ames to bounce back because she's good at getting a verbal spanking and then forgetting any of the lessons from the paddling.

One more thing: Ames isn't necessarily going home if she'd veto Roddy off the chopping block, and forcing Marcellas to put up someone else. If Jason was up, I think Lisa could have been convinced to boot Jason (because he's the biggest nice guy threat in the final two), and with Roddy voting to boot Jason, Ames could have stayed one more week. But Ames doesn't think strategically, and believes what the rest of the houseguests tell her.

Perhaps Marcellas would have put up Lisa (since Lisa did put him up way back when), and then Ames would not have survived. But Ames could have made a deal with Marcellas to get Jason out if she was smart about it (and keep him off the block should she win HoH today).

I didn't understand Amy's whole questioning herself part. If she would have used it, unless Jason or Dannielle were put up she would have been gone period. I'm sure if she used it, Lisa would go up, and thus Amy would have been booted 2-1. Even if Roddy is like I won't vote you out, I promise, I dont' see how much that means, since he can't guarantee her another night in the house, and not using the veto can.

I don't get how Roddy and all these guys act at this point, there is no reason for them to be put up for nomination, or so and so had made a promise, and broke it. In the end, the winner will have to break a promise or two, since it is a game after all. Also, somebody has to be put up, if everybody never did a wrong to one another, somebody would still have to be put up, and then what, it's a case of I know this person better etc.

I think credibility is a great thing, in real society, not some show, where the whole thing is so staged. So Amy shouldn't care one bit about breaking her word. I think that last veto challenge was designed specifically for Amy, considering her background, and the practicicing she did, just like that. I'm sure the directors plan stuff like that, much like I think they did for Danni winning the video of her family etc. It's just a game, do what you have to do to win.

Great show!

Just don't lose sight of the endgame vote. In the back of every houseguest's mind is the endvote, and how to progress through the game week by week without pissing off the ex-houseguests. This is why breaking your word can come back and bite you in the butt!

I'll say this for Dani: she's slick. I don't enjoy her labelling Roddy the Devil, but it's a tactic designed to de-humanize him.

I agree that Dani is no angel and my estimation of her has gone down the last few weeks. She is the other master manipulator in the house and she has lied right to people's faces. But I see a basic decency in her and I see not a bit of that in Roddy. He has treated everyone as if they are just things for him to play with, not people. The last attack on Amy was the straw that broke the camel's back, if it wasn't broken already.
Roddy dehumanized himself. Danielle just "called a spade a spade."

Dani lies right to people's faces.
Roddy, when given the opportunity to lie to Amy's face about whether or not he would vote to keep her in, and thus save himself, had to go with his conscious, that if she were put up against Lisa, he could not guarantee what he would do.

He could have just lied to her to keep himself in the game....but he did not. I don't see Dani ever making such a move.

Amy's gone next week anyhow, unless she win's HOH, then she could put up Dani and really all will be right with the world.

Watching Roddy tear Amy down was a joy to watch, the highlight of the series thus far. I'm not sure I'll watch the rest of the series now that Roddy's out, but I just hope Dani doesn't win.

No, Roddy addresses the actions of people in the house and calls them on the carpet for their actions. And yes, Roddy has been truthful in his dealings. The guy has a phenomenal memory, and is very clever when he extracts promises from others. Marcellas totally sold Roddy down the river (in Marcellas' self interest, but he's not trustworthy or honorable in the way he's played the game).

Roddy could have easily lied to Ames about keeping her in the house, but he choose to play it straight and told him that he could only offer a conditional vote (meaning he's vote for Lisa over Ames, but not Jason or Dani). That just playing straight.

Dani just uses labels to separate herself from such vile creatures. She tries to get the higher ground, just like Marcellas, in demonizing the people that they have problems with in the house, or see as a "threat" to them moving further in the game. Both Dani and Marcellas are more two-faced than any remaining houseguests.

I can't stand Dani or Marcellas anymore. I find Dani's "mothering/nurturing" disingenuous.