Who is THE MOLE? (7/3)
 

So-so episode in my opinion. It could have been better. Oh well.

Dang Groucho looks like your pick went out :d
also if you still think Dorothy is after watching this episode I think your nuts. ahem AL is the mole.

I am staying with Dorothy even though she could easily have not opened that lock. My case against Dorothy goes back to an early triad style coalition that Lisa formed with Dorothy and Darwin. The result was that Lisa must have trusted both of them and yet she was eliminated the next week. Another Dorothy issue for me was when the usually shy Dorothy pounced on that last piece of cake. Since then, Dorothy has also shown that she can't run or ride a bike.

Darwin and Bill were my co-runners-up. Bill is now my only alternative suspect. The case for Bill includes the telegram and the fact that the other older contestants (Patrick and Myra) have been eliminated partly because they might have trusted Bill.

Darwin played a great game and had been one of my suspects because of Lisa's elimination, the three fines and even that subtle sabotage of the tetherball game. I was really surprised to see him go.

Favorite Cooper-ism of the week: "It's a blend of Heather and Al toe jam!"

My wife picked up on something last night that I found VERY interesting and to me is a real BIG clue.

For the late night game, Anserson let himself in to every person's room to wake them up except for Dorothy's room. He knocked on her door and she was right there, like she knew it was coming and was waiting.

This seems like a pretty darn good clue. If Dorothy is not the Mole, then this was some great scripting on the part of the producers and editors....

Yeah, I noticed that Dorothy's room was the only one that Anderson didn't enter but have no idea why that was.

Anyone else notice how Al managed to give away the information that the other players needed to know for the quiz like his shoe size and how many glasses of wine he and Heather drank that day? Interesting.

I actually liked this episode. Much better than the last couple of shows. My favorite was the midnight game but only b/c it reminded me of summer camp and the midnight games we were woken up for. Those were the best times.

But I digress... Thanks, Mark, for starting this thread every week. I look forward to it every Wednesday and enjoy reading everyones ideas on clues and all.

Like the dork I am I recorded last night's show (mainly coz I was tired and wanted a back up plan) and want to go back and check something out that happened at the start of the show that caught my eye. I'll bring it up later if it's worth a darn.

So who do everyone think will be the final three? I'm hinging on Al, Dorothy and Bill. Bill and Bribs are close to interchangeable to me since they're about equal in their efforts for putting money in the pot.

The date on the subject header should read 7/9...I almost didn't click on this thinking it was last week's thread.

Well, guess I'm eating croW today since I was so sure that Darwin was the Mole. Luckily, my runner-ups (Bill and Dorothy) are still in the game. I'll go with Bill...Dorothy seemed genuinely pissed that she'd been neutralized.

I thought the "Mole" commericial for Goldmember was very well placed. :lol:

I still say its Katie (yeah yeah she's gone), however, my second guess was always Bribs. He does have, afterall, the mole powder.

I thought the "descending numbers will be the key" clue and ascending numbers actually being the key was pretty lame.

Concerning Dorothy... it could've been the second time AC had knocked on her door, and she was already on her way to it... they might have not shown the first knock. Just playing devil's advocate. :)

However, I wonder if, when Darwin encouraged her to hit the ball out of turn, Dorothy leapt at the chance... it was sabotaging the game, and if someone called her on it, she could just say that she trusted Darwin.

I love AC trying to be all smooth... "Duhhh, it's EASY to pour wine without spilling..." and then he spills a drop and whines, "Well, I've been drinking with you guys the whole time, too!"

Dumb quote of the episode: "It's a mole print!"

About the pouring wine game... I wouldn't have done it. That looked impossible! Then again... after 4 - 10 glasses of wine I'd probably agree to do anything just for the fun of it. :)

Yeah, I did . I said that the week before Elvia took the bribe here http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=216391 . He does that Every week. Except the week eliva Took the bribe which made the quiz not count. which also i noted here http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...hreadid=217998 . I so wanted Bill to executed.

Well, just to be a reverse devil's advocate, the fact that he would have knocked at all still makes it different -- for everyone else he just walked right in and woke them up. :)
And what if we had an EDtv moment and someone was caught with their hand in their pants? ;)

Re: Darwin -- now that we know he wasn't the Mole, it's amazing that he actually got executed. That tetherball moment must have gotten at least one or two people answering their questions with him in mind (thus giving wrong answers).

I'm sticking with Bill... Darwin was my first choice early on, but Bill surpassed him by the third episode.

Al is definetly getting up there, but so much of this episode seemed too obvious. The blatantly stating shoe size,... well, Al is a loudmouth and people with something odd like that do talk about it, and the challenge involved his feet, so thats no big deal, the ffot size question seems like good misdirection. Plus, its hard for me to buy the Mole getting too plastered, seems way to risky to do if you are the Mole.

Dorothy answering the door, well, that couldve been all editing. Plus, a lot of players have thought she was the Mole were elimiated, therefore I find her unlikely.

I'm still going with Bill as my choice for the Mole. I found it kind of interesting that they spent all that time trying to find the combination for the lock and only after they unlocked it did Bill mention that he saw the combo on the speedometer.

I think the reason it seems that Al is giving the questions away is that he just mentions these things in conversation and then the producers use them as questions later on.

Bribs kicking the tetherball twice while Bill was thinking over whether to get immunity was a brilliant move. Quick thinking Bribs...

Agreed! I would like to see him end up one of the last three... Bribs is much keener than he lets on.

Speaking of which... did anyone read Elavia's post-departure interview at ABC? She answered a question about Dorothy's intelligence as 'scarily smart'. Heh. That would be intimidating.

Of course Bribs will be in the final three....cause he's the Mole that is.

here's another reason why AL is the Mole.

Remember Like I said episode1 when their bags being burnt... which none of the players knew the answers to(which i knew it was used for clues ). One of the questions asked was "Who's favorite Drink is Sam adams and Wine"? katie missed the question. anderson answered was "no, AL".

Well well .... In this week quiz.. number 5


5) What kind of alcohol does The Mole prefer to drink?
Shiner Bock Vodka Cranberry Gin and Tonic B-52
Ales, dark beer Malibu and coke Beer, wine, brandy
Sam Adams Lager and wine A little bit of everything The Mole does not drink alcohol
what's Bill's answer? whats Dorothy's answer?

The mole is AL. You can stick to your gut that its Bill. Or Dorothy ha ha . The mole is suppose to sabatoge games she rescued the team twice . She's trying to do the same thing elvia was doing and your bying it.

Man it's so obvious Al is the mole...

I'm sticking with Bill. It's too late in the game to change now, but I seriously think it is Bill. I can't wait until Al gets booted off...

Thanks. I was operating on very little sleep last night. Thanks to the mod who fixed the date.

goofee girl (and others): Your welcome. I'm enjoying putting up the polls. I have also been compiling information so that we can compare the polls to the actual results once the show is over. :)

Al is currently high on my list as the mole, and has been since that early challenge where heart rates were monitored and his was almost off the chart.

Dorothy seems Mole-like, but she wimps out or falters on physical challenges and tends to solve the very tough puzzles.

So far everyone that's been eliminated, including Darwin, has not been on my mole list. But it's starting to get a little harder.

Very interesting point...I didn't catch that....I just have a hard time believing that they would make it SO obvious that she is the mole. She has done some pretty strange things throughout the show. I'm almost at the point where I think they want you to suspect Dorothy as the mole. I'm still going with Bill for now...Until next week that is ;)

Oh...and one last thing....last nights episode only confirms that Bribs is the best player on either season of the mole hands down IMO... And if he ends up being "the mole" he's even more brilliant because he sure fooled me. He has the best mental and physical abilities of any player on either season....

At the start of the show when the players found the card with the clue to the greenhouse combination lock I noticed something... as the players got up from the table and the camera focused on Bill there was a journal left behind. Could that have been the mole's? Secret clue? When they cut back to Bill getting up from the table the journal was gone. Does this mean anything or am I grasping here? :)

your grasping big time...

Dorothy is my number 1 suspect now after this week's episode. During the greenhouse game, she suggested disassembling and tilting the car too quickly. And she did it several times. It seems like she wanted the other guys to waste time taking the car apart. Then she somehow was able to figure out the lock combo. Seems too convenient to me.

My first and only choice: Heather. Why? Well look...none of you think she's the mole.

Dorothy answers the door
 

I think there's a simple explanation. Anderson walked into everyone else's room because he could.
Dorothy probably chained her door, and they had to wait for her to get up and unchain it. Had she not used that little extra security device, Anderson would have used his key and entered, just like he did on the other rooms.

FWIW, I believe that the number "6543" has the numbers dwindling, like a countdown: 6-5-4-3. I don't think they intended to refer to the ascension of an odometer.

Also, I think it was meant to be a double entendre: "dwindling numbers" also refers to the Neutralization Game, and since Bill was the last person to leave the table, you could take it to mean that the number of players sitting at the table dwindled until the neutralizer was chosen.

That, and the fact that most of the players misinterpreted it as the "dwindling number of players left in the game," just shows how these taunts are clever to the point of obscurity.

Re: Dorothy answers the door
 

Well, OK. I'll accept that. Especially since I don't suspect her anyway. I think that she is another Elavia (i.e. - the producers want us to <b>think</b> that she's the Mole).

What I meant was that the numbers 6543 were dwindling (and not descending, thanks)... but the actual "key" to the combination lock, 3456, had an ascending number sequence as opposed to a dwindling number sequence. Ah, well, just a peeve I had.

It was because she answered the door the fastest. And why did she answer the fastest? Because it looks like she was the only one who didn't really go to sleep. They showed a bunch of them turning off their lights. Dorothy kept her light on and she was reading or writing.

For some reason, Dorothy faked Anderson out and made him believe he woke her. When she opened the door, it looks like the lights were out and she didn't have her glasses on. But she still had that same sweatshirt from the shot of her having the lights on. Why would she fake like she was sleeping?

After this week's "Admiral" clue, I think it's probably Bill.

But Dorothy is still suspect.

Thanks jar... I realized after the fact that she was the one who was awake and going over her journal. It's most probable that her secondary lock was locked and she had to open the door for AC. Unless she had just fallen asleep when he knocked on her door it doesn't make sense to pretend to be asleep for him. The players know there's a camera in their room, right?

Anyone else think that Bill look like a little boy as he walked down the hall and into the elevator wearing his pjs that night? Heh.

Is this what you're talking about?

http://liquid2k.com/stevebev02/

But, remember, during the taping of the show, Anderson doesn't know who the Mole is. So, he isn't privy to what's recorded on the hidden cameras and other Mole-related stuff. So, the Mole has to act non-Molish even in front of Anderson. Perhaps that's why Dorothy did that? But that's only true if she is the Mole. Maybe she just stays up late and went to sleep just before Anderson got there.

Heh. Yeah... I'm one of those mole nerds who watched religiously the first season (Temptation Island just didn't do anything for me :) ) and even taped the last episode (although I have no idea what happened to the tape) so I understand how the mole play acts for the crew. What's interesting to me is last year's winner, Kathryn, was hired as a producer to help choose the players, the mole, and help plant clues but swears she didn't know who the mole was until the end and was very surprised to find out who they chose. I thought she knew who it was thru the whole taping. I'm really interested to see who it turns out to be. I only hope it isn't Heather... she's too saccarin for me.

I'm working under the logic that since it was a woman last time, it has to be a man this time.

Whoever it is, it sure is keeping us guessing. It would be interesting to meet some of them in real life outside the game.

Interesting.

::GoldenJCJ looks into crystal ball and sees Catch 21 as the Mole's next victim:: :)

here's another clue why I think Al is the mole ..

on the QUIZ

episode 9
on the quiz question number 1 .
1) What size shoe does The Mole wear?
7 7½ 8 8½ 9 9½ 10
10½ 11 11½ 12 12½ 13 14

what size is dorothy? what size Bill? whats bribs? whats heathers?whats the point in giving the audience questions they dont know the answer to?


I dare all of you to find a question on any quiz except the quiz when elivia took the bribe.. (because there was no execution and the questions didnt matter )that I cant answer that has to do with AL.
another clue while looking at letter the on the table for dwindling numbers Al says must be some type of combination...

I am going by clues. I am not decoding numbers. or using my gut feeling.
Al is so the mole.

It can quite simply be misdirection... They honestly don't want veiwers to know too early, keep them on the fence until the end, therefore thats why I dont buy into the obviousness of blatantly going on and on about Al's foot size... Remember, for all we know they could have had a roundtable discussion days before about what size shoes everyone wears, or for that matter the question could be from an entirely different episode just inserted onto that particular nights show for drama. Every reality show does such manipulation... Thats why I rely on my gut instinct more than anything else.

There are tricks in every reality series, like Survivors, "whoever gets facetime early in the episode" and "last minute attempt to save themself/turn the tide" bit always tells you exactly who is getting booted, each and every time.

They cant do that it would effect game play to viewers.. You forget after the Credits of each and every Mole episode, there is a disclaimer saying nothing that was edited out would affect gameplay or left out for the viewers.Which means the only size that would matter would be the mole. Which by deduction is Al cause he's the only one who gave his shoe size. Havent you noticed that every episode a personal question always refers to ALwhich he answers with your "obvous" suspects?. The only Time on the quiz where you couldnt answer for Al is when Elivia took bribe. Making that Quiz cancelled. Hence, not effecting gameplay.

The only way your statement above would be true is if they didnt have that disclamer.. or a disclaimer saying some stuff may be edit out that would effect gameplay.