X-Files Finale 5-19-2002
05-20-02 | 12:04 AM
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I think its intresting to note how many people are mentioning the utter destruction of the "mythology" arc of the show into a shamble of loophole and revisions....sadly this type of show sets itself up for that kind of situation. I think if shows like Alias and 24 are lucky to be around six seasons from now they'll have the exact same problems....just an observation.
Towards the end of the show with Mulder having the knowledge of the invasion and the aliens knowing about it and trying to kill him, the show First Wave popped into my head.
Towards the end of the show with Mulder having the knowledge of the invasion and the aliens knowing about it and trying to kill him, the show First Wave popped into my head.
05-20-02 | 12:07 AM
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mulder is either russell crowe or haley joel osment
meaning he's either going paranoid-schizophrenic or he can see dead people
meaning he's either going paranoid-schizophrenic or he can see dead people
05-20-02 | 12:44 AM
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Watching this show you can tell how far off track they went. Some of the things they were explaining during the trial was just rediculous and they were actual plot points that played out.
The budget must have been spent on just getting Duchovney back because they only thing that looked like cost a budget were the Helcopters flying through the air and that may have been done with computers.
All this search got us was a date? Oohhhh. Wow.... Big letdown and then instead of getting any kind of a satisfying resolution we get a Moonlighting/ Sam and Dianne ending with Mulder and Scully finally together and in bed.
Why do couples on TV almost always have to get together? They were great coworkers with a lot of respect for each other and probably even loved each other but romantic lovers? Oh god. It's been done too much.
Did Carter write this with, one of the Slash-fan writers from a M&S websight???? This is one example of why the show is only a fraction of what it used to be and how far off course its gone. In my opinion, Carter may have planned it up to season Five or so and then just started making things up to get money in his pocket and because FOX had nothing else to put on.
It showed for the last few years.
The budget must have been spent on just getting Duchovney back because they only thing that looked like cost a budget were the Helcopters flying through the air and that may have been done with computers.
All this search got us was a date? Oohhhh. Wow.... Big letdown and then instead of getting any kind of a satisfying resolution we get a Moonlighting/ Sam and Dianne ending with Mulder and Scully finally together and in bed.
Why do couples on TV almost always have to get together? They were great coworkers with a lot of respect for each other and probably even loved each other but romantic lovers? Oh god. It's been done too much.
Did Carter write this with, one of the Slash-fan writers from a M&S websight???? This is one example of why the show is only a fraction of what it used to be and how far off course its gone. In my opinion, Carter may have planned it up to season Five or so and then just started making things up to get money in his pocket and because FOX had nothing else to put on.
It showed for the last few years.
05-20-02 | 12:48 AM
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I'm in the thumbs down group. While having the clips show was a good way to explain everything, it is just an unfullfilling way to end things. I say explain, since most of the questions had already been answered most viewers just didn't know it. 
I usually get chocked up when shows I have put so much of my life into watching end, but when that episode ended, all I could say is "that's it?". What about Skinners fate, Mulder and Skully on the run, the kid, and most of all the baby. How can they leave the baby in someone elses hands at the end of the series?
As for the movie, the quote I read did not say it would not deal with the mythology aspect, only that it would be stand alone. To me that indicates that it could be about anything, only it will be completely wrapped up at the end of the movie and will not lead into a third movie, similar to the way Star Trek II lead into III, and III lead into IV.
I usually get chocked up when shows I have put so much of my life into watching end, but when that episode ended, all I could say is "that's it?". What about Skinners fate, Mulder and Skully on the run, the kid, and most of all the baby. How can they leave the baby in someone elses hands at the end of the series?As for the movie, the quote I read did not say it would not deal with the mythology aspect, only that it would be stand alone. To me that indicates that it could be about anything, only it will be completely wrapped up at the end of the movie and will not lead into a third movie, similar to the way Star Trek II lead into III, and III lead into IV.
05-20-02 | 12:55 AM
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i've been watching pretty much from the beginning and was pretty disappointed with this episode. the series has been lacking over the last few years, but i still watched. the series finally ends and they spend half of the last show in court with flashbacks and cameos. not unlike the seinfeld series finale. instead of trying to "remind" us all of what happened, how about rewarding the fans who have watched and know the history already, with a good solid 2 hours of excitement? i don't know, it just seemed kind of cheap. and what am i missing here? wasn't mulder looking for the truth? didn't he find it? why does he consider himself a failure because he found an answer? why is the smoking man sucking smoke through his neck when his throat and trachea seem to be working just fine?
05-20-02 | 01:04 AM
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I felt like Homer looking through that Far Side calendar... "I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it....I...don't get it."
Also, no one has brought this up, but is Gillian Anderson pregnant or has she just gained some weight?
Also, no one has brought this up, but is Gillian Anderson pregnant or has she just gained some weight?
05-20-02 | 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by monkeyboy
why is the smoking man sucking smoke through his neck when his throat and trachea seem to be working just fine?
why is the smoking man sucking smoke through his neck when his throat and trachea seem to be working just fine?
05-20-02 | 02:45 AM
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I'm not really surprised people are disappointed with the finale--after nine years, it's just not going to please the masses. There's always that 'shippers' vs. 'noromos' argument where women tend to pefer the get together and men the opposite. I can't argue either way as long as the writing is good either way. They had undeniable chemistry and passion for each other so it worked for me. Duchovny left, that is the major issue in my opinion. He was the X-Files and no one was able to do what he did. Muldar had all the desire and resilience and a great dry sort of humor that fit so well. Hard to replace that.
I found it great though. The prison rescue was the weakest, imo. I also didn't care for the fact they mention Gibson made the strongest arguments for Muldar's defense and then you see the alien guy at the panel of judges (i use the term loosely) in the very next scene. But it was all rigged anyway. I don't know why they didn't take Gibson with them but they should have--he can help them find baby William someday.
I didn't mind the mini flash backs--and they were just flashes not played out scenes, at least they got the continuity of the episodes right
I'm glad CSM spoke to Muldar as he did and I think he did it with the intent to motivate Muldar to fight for the future, not the opposite.
Not mentioning the bees was no biggie, they were just being used to transport the virus.
One question I have is there is no real reason mentioned why William chose Samantha over Fox to give to the aliens. Unless, he didn't know Fox was not his.
If Carter doesn't do a movie on the mythos, it will fail miserably.
I'm so sad it's over though;(
I found it great though. The prison rescue was the weakest, imo. I also didn't care for the fact they mention Gibson made the strongest arguments for Muldar's defense and then you see the alien guy at the panel of judges (i use the term loosely) in the very next scene. But it was all rigged anyway. I don't know why they didn't take Gibson with them but they should have--he can help them find baby William someday.
I didn't mind the mini flash backs--and they were just flashes not played out scenes, at least they got the continuity of the episodes right
I'm glad CSM spoke to Muldar as he did and I think he did it with the intent to motivate Muldar to fight for the future, not the opposite.
Not mentioning the bees was no biggie, they were just being used to transport the virus.
One question I have is there is no real reason mentioned why William chose Samantha over Fox to give to the aliens. Unless, he didn't know Fox was not his.
If Carter doesn't do a movie on the mythos, it will fail miserably.
I'm so sad it's over though;(
05-20-02 | 04:38 AM
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Also, no one has brought this up, but is Gillian Anderson pregnant or has she just gained some weight?
Also, no one has brought this up, but is Gillian Anderson pregnant or has she just gained some weight?
She still looked great though. Those lips...That prison escape was weak, but overall, i thought it was a good, open-ended close to a great series. Here's looking forward to the movies.
05-20-02 | 04:58 AM
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X-F Series finale
I somewhat enjoyed the finale, but the ending really saved it from being a stinker. And I was just starting to like the Dogget and Reyes characters. The ending definitely leaves it for the movie which is rumoured to be released in 2004.
At least I have my dvd box sets to keep me happy.
Long live X-Files!!!!!!!
p.s. By the way....When are we going to see a Millenium season box set coming out????
At least I have my dvd box sets to keep me happy.
Long live X-Files!!!!!!!
p.s. By the way....When are we going to see a Millenium season box set coming out????
05-20-02 | 06:18 AM
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I felt that the show actually managed to go out in a fitting manner. I thought the idea for the trial was cool and this episode had me interested throughout.
The ghostly appearances were a nice payoff for fans..
The final exchange between Scully and Mulder was priceless.
FOX Bring on the MILLENNIUM DVD BOX SET I want all three seasons now!
The ghostly appearances were a nice payoff for fans..
The final exchange between Scully and Mulder was priceless.
FOX Bring on the MILLENNIUM DVD BOX SET I want all three seasons now!
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05-20-02 | 07:03 AM
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I liked the first hour, but the second hour didn't have the payoff I had hoped for. Sure, it was nice to see CSM , but it just seemed that the whole "invasion date" thing wasn't very satisfying.
05-20-02 | 07:46 AM
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One question I have is there is no real reason mentioned why William chose Samantha over Fox to give to the aliens. Unless, he didn't know Fox was not his.
One question I have is there is no real reason mentioned why William chose Samantha over Fox to give to the aliens. Unless, he didn't know Fox was not his.
I have to say I enjoyed the final episode, although just by going back and re-watching earlier seasons on DVD the entire storyline was all quite obvious to me. A lot of people feel that the writing of the show took a down turn, storyline wise and kind of got lost, but if you look at the whole thing and piece it all together it does actually work out from the beginning. At least to me it did.
05-20-02 | 07:49 AM
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My one word review: "Gah!!!"
The trial was basically exposition for those who haven't put it all together yet. Mulder has turned into "Speaker for the dead". I've never like military trials (they always seemed rigged).
The remainder of the finale was equally taxing. Did it ever occur to Mulder and Scully that the vehicle they were driving was fitted with a tracking bug? Why don't they do more with Gibson's powers?
Why would Skinner enter Kersh's office opened by the alien? If I were Skinner I would have run like hell! Is Kersh dead or been replaced by a pod person? Why did Kersh have a change of heart (or did he? Hmmm...).
I think Doggett's reaction to the X-Files files being taken from his office was probably the same reaction that Robert Patrick had when Chris Carter told him they were not going to be brought back for season 10.
So now Mulder and Scully are fugitives. Nice send-off for these characters! Not.
Gah!
The trial was basically exposition for those who haven't put it all together yet. Mulder has turned into "Speaker for the dead". I've never like military trials (they always seemed rigged).
The remainder of the finale was equally taxing. Did it ever occur to Mulder and Scully that the vehicle they were driving was fitted with a tracking bug? Why don't they do more with Gibson's powers?
Why would Skinner enter Kersh's office opened by the alien? If I were Skinner I would have run like hell! Is Kersh dead or been replaced by a pod person? Why did Kersh have a change of heart (or did he? Hmmm...).
I think Doggett's reaction to the X-Files files being taken from his office was probably the same reaction that Robert Patrick had when Chris Carter told him they were not going to be brought back for season 10.
So now Mulder and Scully are fugitives. Nice send-off for these characters! Not.
Gah!
05-20-02 | 08:21 AM
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Gibson should have pointed to each of the judges and the prosecuter one by one and said "you're thinking ....., and you're thinking .... etc"
05-20-02 | 08:34 AM
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Was Chris Carter sitting on his toilet when writing this episode?
Last night's X-Files was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever! As a loyal viewer to the show I feel that they owe me much more than the crap-fest I witnessed last night.
Last night's X-Files was, without a doubt, the worst episode ever! As a loyal viewer to the show I feel that they owe me much more than the crap-fest I witnessed last night.
05-20-02 | 08:56 AM
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Can someone fill me in on what we learned from this show... maybe do a recap of the whole thing. I don't know if I just wasn't paying enough attention and should have recorded it to watch again, but for some reason I don't "get" it.
05-20-02 | 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by madcougar
I felt like Homer looking through that Far Side calendar... "I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it....I...don't get it."
Also, no one has brought this up, but is Gillian Anderson pregnant or has she just gained some weight?
I felt like Homer looking through that Far Side calendar... "I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it....I...don't get it."
Also, no one has brought this up, but is Gillian Anderson pregnant or has she just gained some weight?
So do Doggett and Reyes end up together? They were both in his house late at night when the boy was running around the back yard.
I didn't think it was the best episode but it wrapped a few things up and made the story a little clearer.
Did anyone else notice that the date on the screen at the beginning of the show said December 12, 2012 was the day chosen for the alien invasion. I was confused when CSM said December 22.
Shall we start a poll on how many movies are to follow? Will this become the next Star Trek movie series?
BRING BACK MILLENNIUM IN THE SUNDAY NIGHT SPOT!!!!!!!!
05-20-02 | 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Dead
Can someone fill me in on what we learned from this show... maybe do a recap of the whole thing. I don't know if I just wasn't paying enough attention and should have recorded it to watch again, but for some reason I don't "get" it.
Can someone fill me in on what we learned from this show... maybe do a recap of the whole thing. I don't know if I just wasn't paying enough attention and should have recorded it to watch again, but for some reason I don't "get" it.
Searching for the truth = good
Denying the truth you find when you don't like it = bad
Nobody ever really dies
I sometimes wonder if this facination w/ conspiracies (the "vast RWC", the whole Bush/911 thing, various Clinton activities, etc) is something that was enhanced by people watching shows like the X-Files, or do people watch shows like the X-Files because they already believe all these things exist...
05-20-02 | 09:45 AM
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During the trial, I was almost expecting to see the Soup Nazi and Marla the Virgin take the stand.
05-20-02 | 09:50 AM
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i stopped watching when mulder left the show
dogget and Reyes bore me
I was glad to see a clipshow type that caught me up a bit.. if I really believed this was the end, I might not have cared too much for the episode.. but since I watched this episode expecting that it is leading up to a movie, it was pretty good
dogget and Reyes bore me
I was glad to see a clipshow type that caught me up a bit.. if I really believed this was the end, I might not have cared too much for the episode.. but since I watched this episode expecting that it is leading up to a movie, it was pretty good
05-20-02 | 09:50 AM
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I'm glad they made this episode so that the plot could be summed up, but they could have gone out with a bigger bang. All they did here was kill a character that was supposed to be dead to begin with.
Oh well, at least it sets the stage wide open for the movies.
Oh well, at least it sets the stage wide open for the movies.
05-20-02 | 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Dead
Can someone fill me in on what we learned from this show... maybe do a recap of the whole thing.
Can someone fill me in on what we learned from this show... maybe do a recap of the whole thing.
Nine seasons of 'X-Files': The story arc
1993-94: Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) and Fox Mulder (David
Duchovny) hook up ? the FBI wants Scully to keep an eye on Mulder,
whose nickname is "Spooky" because he finds ghosts, goblins, and
space aliens under every unsolved murder. He is obsessed with
finding out what happened to his sister, apparently abducted by
aliens when they were children.
1994-95: Scully is snatched by aliens and then returned somewhat
the worse for wear. Mulder's father is implicated in a conspiracy to
advance alien colonization of earth.
1995-96: Scully has an alien implant removed from her neck.
1996-97: Scully becomes gravely ill. Mulder figures out how to save
her.
1997-98: Scully, newly restored to health, finds out just what the
aliens wanted with her ? to create alien-human super soldiers in
order to advance alien colonization of Earth.
1998-99: A mysterious black oil is found to be a weapon of mass
destruction.
1999-2000: Mulder believes his sister is dead. Scully is found to be
with child ? miraculous, since she was barren. Mulder is abducted.
2000-2001: Agents John Doggett (Robert Patrick) and Monica Reyes
(Annabeth Gish) join the fight against evil.
The season ends with a kind of nativity scene ? Scully and the
babe, with Joseph-Mulder as protector, and the three "wise" men, the
goofy Lone Gunmen (Mulder's trio of techie pals) in attendance.
2001-2002: "The Truth is Out There," with super soldiers, the baby in
constant danger, and Mulder in hiding all season. The Lone Gunmen
give up their lives to save humankind, Scully gives up her baby in
order to protect him, and Mulder returns for the finale.
Woven into the fabric of the ongoing story are stand-alone episodes
about vampires, ghosts, monsters, serial murderers, and a variety
of weird phenomena.
1993-94: Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson) and Fox Mulder (David
Duchovny) hook up ? the FBI wants Scully to keep an eye on Mulder,
whose nickname is "Spooky" because he finds ghosts, goblins, and
space aliens under every unsolved murder. He is obsessed with
finding out what happened to his sister, apparently abducted by
aliens when they were children.
1994-95: Scully is snatched by aliens and then returned somewhat
the worse for wear. Mulder's father is implicated in a conspiracy to
advance alien colonization of earth.
1995-96: Scully has an alien implant removed from her neck.
1996-97: Scully becomes gravely ill. Mulder figures out how to save
her.
1997-98: Scully, newly restored to health, finds out just what the
aliens wanted with her ? to create alien-human super soldiers in
order to advance alien colonization of Earth.
1998-99: A mysterious black oil is found to be a weapon of mass
destruction.
1999-2000: Mulder believes his sister is dead. Scully is found to be
with child ? miraculous, since she was barren. Mulder is abducted.
2000-2001: Agents John Doggett (Robert Patrick) and Monica Reyes
(Annabeth Gish) join the fight against evil.
The season ends with a kind of nativity scene ? Scully and the
babe, with Joseph-Mulder as protector, and the three "wise" men, the
goofy Lone Gunmen (Mulder's trio of techie pals) in attendance.
2001-2002: "The Truth is Out There," with super soldiers, the baby in
constant danger, and Mulder in hiding all season. The Lone Gunmen
give up their lives to save humankind, Scully gives up her baby in
order to protect him, and Mulder returns for the finale.
Woven into the fabric of the ongoing story are stand-alone episodes
about vampires, ghosts, monsters, serial murderers, and a variety
of weird phenomena.
05-20-02 | 09:57 AM
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Were the Lone Gunman killed? I turned durning a commerical and when I wnt back Fox was talking to the guys than they disappeared. Everyone else he was talking to were dead.
I'm one of those people that wanted them in bed from the get-go. To have them end up in a hotel bed was priceless. I also wanted the 3 of them together. Well, we can't have everything.
I'm one of those people that wanted them in bed from the get-go. To have them end up in a hotel bed was priceless. I also wanted the 3 of them together. Well, we can't have everything.
05-20-02 | 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by pagansoul
Were the Lone Gunman killed.
Were the Lone Gunman killed.