Draven

Alcohol would make them feel warmer. I think he just said "it'll warm you up" which is a fairly common statement when it comes to alcohol. I don't think it was meant to be a scientific fact.

The potatos was really lame. I hope they put valve sealant on the leaks anyway.

As far as blowing the engines. Yes, they would continue on that course. The explosion altered their trajectory, and they would have no way to correct it. I think that's what he meant by "dead in the water"...unable to change course or do anything but drift along.

das Monkey

After the funeral for my brother, Goober, I will be holding interviews for jobs at my factory. The only real requirement is that you live in the real world and not in the Star Trek world. Good pay. Short hours. No real business objective. Come and join our wonderful family.

das

This offer is not valid for French Canadians.

Wizdar

The explosion might have altered their trajectory, but not necessarily. The explosion (shock wave) could have actually increased their speed slightly. But you and Thrush are correct that, unless acted upon by another force they would continue on their (not too) merry way.

"Dead in the water" does in fact mean stopped. Just remember these writers aren't being paid for being smart...

Wizdar

No future...

P4, 2Ghz, 21" flat screen, DVD+RW, T2 maybe?

I ain't working with WinXP! Just so you know...

Draven

From Dictionary.com

dead in the water:

Unable to function or move: The crippled ship was dead in the water. With no leadership, the project was dead in the water.

To get REALLY technical, a crippled boat still moves with the water. They just have no control.

adamblast

Another reason why Berman and Braga suck.

Most of my favorite shows have no gay characters. No biggie. It's not like I want a quota. (And I can't stand plenty of shows that do have gay characters, like W&G...)

But in 21+ seasons of new Trek, they've managed to avoid the issue like it's the plague. No casual jokes. No couples in the background. No subtle references that even a minor character might be different.

For all we know, this is one of those things that they've "cured" along with poverty and war. Evidentally, there's no sign of us in the "wonderful future" they've envisioned...

adamblast

Wait a minute! Hold the phone! I forgot about alternate-reality-evil-bisexual-dominatrix Kira!

Kudama

[tootin’myownhorn] [/tootin’myownhorn]

Wizdar

I didn't want to get REALLY technical.

If YOU want to get REALLY technical, you could take into account the occasional atom floating around, which will slow them down, alter their course, and any gravitational influences...

Kudama, if I remember correctly ( ), this was the Caves of Denial episode. I noticed the incidental music had a good sound and seemed to fit the location and action (lotsa primal bass and drums).

Last ep there was the "flavor" of ST background music, but no recognizable theme.

Haven't mentioned it before because I've been too busy bitching about other things.

Duran

I'm curious about the details here. Assuming the shuttle is pressurized at about 1 atm (14.7 psi), you're telling me that the pressure exerted on a "microscopic" hole by the internal atmosphere would be enough to significantly damage a finger? Maybe a bruise, but I think even that might be stretching it.

Draven

I just meant that if you are objecting to the phrase "dead in the water", the technical definition means "unable to function or move" - the definitely fit the "unable to function" part, and they certainly couldn't move under their own power.

Wizdar

Duran, size matters. If the hole was “microscopic”, they shouldn’t have been able to find it visually. Depending on the size of the hole you could be right. (Think “hickey”) But the significant phrase here is “without damage.” I’ve played with Numanoid before and it’s necessary to pick nits to the extreme in order to keep up.

Also, the pressure inside the shuttle is important, but not to my point and looking at that factor will lead you in the wrong direction, like the 200-pound foot example.

I’d explain further, but I’m hoping that Numanoid will weigh in on the issue first



draven-x I agree. Although you have still contradicted yourself in your statement (unable to move is unable to move), but I agree with your meaning.

Duran

I agree that size matters, but they had to use the escaping gas to locate the hole, which I think would work whether the hole was microscopic or not. It's not like they saw the holes without any assistance. As a matter of fact, they may have never saw the holes - they just saw where the gas was escaping. I'm still not sold on any damage - we're talking about a mighty small hole here. Even if it was visible (say 1/8"?), I think it would only causing bruising.

Now the other argument is whether mashed potatoes would have successfully plugged the hole long enough for them to get the sealant. Now if they used my roommate's mashed potatoes, than definitely not. Mine, possibly.

Numanoid

OK Wizdar, I don't remember what our past discussions were about, but I fail to see you prove anything that I've said as incorrect. Ok, I'll give you 1/2 a point for forced versus blown, but when the wind is moving briskly past you, do you remark, "Gee, the wind is really being forced today?" I think not. The wind (air) is blowing, from a high-pressure area to a lower pressure area, just like the shuttle example. And talk about semantics!! Geesh, I said a finger could stop that leak without damage...I don't consider a blood-blister (or hickey) damage, in the grand scheme of things. The original comment by mikehunt stated "majorly messed up"...I don't think so. Ok, my standing on the finger was a poor analogy, and I knew it, but I hadn't eaten that day. How about this...ever put the crevice tool from your operating Hoover against your skin (and I don't really want to know where)? Did your flesh turn into spaghetti? Yeah, that's what I thought. Could congealed Starfleet ration "mashed potatoes" seal the hole, at least temporarily? Since neither you nor I know what congealed Starfleet ration "mashed potatoes" are made of or are like, we'll have to say yes, since we've seen it done.

Also, I agree that to an engineer (or anyone else except Wizdar, for that matter ), "dead in the water" would mean no control of the craft, not lack of forward momentum.

And as far as your little quiz goes...you lost me at purge valve, condensation and lube oil. I sit in front of a computer all day, arguing with anonymous personalities over Star Trek minutia, I don't know from purge valves.

Your ball.

mikehunt

and her implied lesbian lover, Ezri

Wizdar

I thought "semantics" was the name of the game. "Blown" vs "sucked."

My bad.

If ya didn't wanna play, you coulda just said so.













So, in your Hoover example, does the Hoover suck, or does your skin blow?

Just wondering...

Numanoid

"I didn't know this was physically possible, but this both sucks AND blows" - Bart Simpson

das Monkey

das

Numanoid

I thought I WAS playing.

Wizdar

I always enjoy a good discussion. But you tend to modify the rules as we go along. As anybody who's exchanged posts with me can tell you, I have the attention span the length of my **** in a snowstorm.

But, anyway.










das, thanks! I needed that.

das Monkey

Any time ... so long as you realize I'm laughing at you and not with you.

das

BT

Here we go again...

Oh wait, I already said that..

And for the record (you can check the threads from the start) I've always liked the opening theme music!

-BT

Stinky
You smiled!!