24 - 1/8/02
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Well, so far everything we've predicted has come true. The fake dad. The mole. A little melo-dramatic but cool nonetheless. I still think it's absurd that it got a Golden Globe nod, but I sure do watch it every week, and it looks like things are getting more interesting. I keep wondering how they can draw this out for 24 episodes, but I'm sure they'll figure something out. I wonder if they've finally gotten around to writing the second half of the season.
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looks like the assassination attempt will go down in the next two episodes, they'll have to stretch after that.
knew she was the mole once the guy said she could be trusted.
surprised they showed nina get up, i figured they'd wait till next episode
knew she was the mole once the guy said she could be trusted.
surprised they showed nina get up, i figured they'd wait till next episode
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Great episode. I was thinking that it would be too obvious if Goatee Guy were the mole. From the previews, it looks like he and Nina are going to get together and start working on saving the day.
Speaking of Nina... when Jack shot her, I flipped out! I thought that someone from the car that was following them shot her... I rewound, and watched it again... "Holy crap, he DID shoot her!" The flak jacket was a smooth move... although I'm not sure about a flak jacket stopping four pistol rounds fired at point-blank range. Either Jack wasn't entirely sure that she'd live through it, or the writers have cooked up some reeeeeeaaallly nice flak jackets for CTU to wear.
I still don't really care about the whole Palmer Family subplot, with the rape and all that. I dunno. It's just not as interesting as the main plot.
Too bad about Teri (wife) getting caught... I thought she'd escape. And then Kim (daughter) is about to vamoose with Black-haired Kid, when Kim sees the wife and decides to stick around. Nooooooooo! Dangit. I wonder what I would've done there.
Fire bad!
Speaking of Nina... when Jack shot her, I flipped out! I thought that someone from the car that was following them shot her... I rewound, and watched it again... "Holy crap, he DID shoot her!" The flak jacket was a smooth move... although I'm not sure about a flak jacket stopping four pistol rounds fired at point-blank range. Either Jack wasn't entirely sure that she'd live through it, or the writers have cooked up some reeeeeeaaallly nice flak jackets for CTU to wear.

I still don't really care about the whole Palmer Family subplot, with the rape and all that. I dunno. It's just not as interesting as the main plot.
Too bad about Teri (wife) getting caught... I thought she'd escape. And then Kim (daughter) is about to vamoose with Black-haired Kid, when Kim sees the wife and decides to stick around. Nooooooooo! Dangit. I wonder what I would've done there.

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Originally posted by Venusian
looks like the assassination attempt will go down in the next two episodes, they'll have to stretch after that.
looks like the assassination attempt will go down in the next two episodes, they'll have to stretch after that.
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great episode, but I was kind of disappointed that they revealed the mole within the agency already. I was kind of hoping they'd draw that out a little bit longer to keep us guessing.
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Originally posted by Venusian
surprised they showed nina get up, i figured they'd wait till next episode
surprised they showed nina get up, i figured they'd wait till next episode
Originally posted by Venusian
knew she was the mole once the guy said she could be trusted.
knew she was the mole once the guy said she could be trusted.
Which guy are you talking about?
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Originally posted by huzefa
That wasn't that hard to figure out. When the goatee guy saw the surveillance video, he noticed that Jack gave her a flak jacket. You can pretty much infer from there that she would live.
That wasn't that hard to figure out. When the goatee guy saw the surveillance video, he noticed that Jack gave her a flak jacket. You can pretty much infer from there that she would live.
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Pretty interesting 7th episode/hour.
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Pretty smart move on Jack's part to put a flack jacket on Nina when he was forced to shoot her. Good acting from Jack to try and convince the bad guy that he's shook up from having to murder Nina to save his family.
Is anyone else thinking that the guy in CTU who's been seeing Nina will wind up being the "straight up" guy and saves the day for Jack at the end?
Jamie has now been revealed as the mole inside CTU (that how the bad guy has patched into their camera system). Jack has to realize there's a mole, and that only a few would know how to patch into the camera system, thus I think he'll have a narrow list of suspects. Now we have to wonder how did Jamie get Jack's superior Richard Walsh's trust (the one who was shot - though we don't know if he's "really dead"). I think this does mean that Walsh is in on the thing from the beginning.
If Jamie was the mole, why didn't she switch the card earlier? That doesn't really make sense either. It's true she was "stone-walling" by being ineffective, enough to bring in the contractor. Perhaps Jamie had to options at the time.
Poor Teri, doing a pretty stupid thing once she knocked up The Sentinel (Why didn't she just high tail on the road and just get to a place of safety insted of hanging letting the bad guys dispatch the goon squad to pick her up).
What the hell was Kimberly thinking also. She should have gotten out, and then got help. This was part of the writing that didn't make any sense, except to keep the characters in more perilous situations then they had to be. But I guess if you have 17 hours to go, you need more filler story. Oh yeah, Kimberly is a hottie.
I really could care less about Sen. Palmer's storyline. Sort of tired of the political skeletons in the closet stories.
I'm thinking the bad guy is actually using Jack as a high profile assassin/divertion, and when everyone's attention is on Jack, the fake photographer will do the real hit on Palmer.
Spoilers will be freely discussed below:
Pretty smart move on Jack's part to put a flack jacket on Nina when he was forced to shoot her. Good acting from Jack to try and convince the bad guy that he's shook up from having to murder Nina to save his family.
Is anyone else thinking that the guy in CTU who's been seeing Nina will wind up being the "straight up" guy and saves the day for Jack at the end?
Jamie has now been revealed as the mole inside CTU (that how the bad guy has patched into their camera system). Jack has to realize there's a mole, and that only a few would know how to patch into the camera system, thus I think he'll have a narrow list of suspects. Now we have to wonder how did Jamie get Jack's superior Richard Walsh's trust (the one who was shot - though we don't know if he's "really dead"). I think this does mean that Walsh is in on the thing from the beginning.
If Jamie was the mole, why didn't she switch the card earlier? That doesn't really make sense either. It's true she was "stone-walling" by being ineffective, enough to bring in the contractor. Perhaps Jamie had to options at the time.
Poor Teri, doing a pretty stupid thing once she knocked up The Sentinel (Why didn't she just high tail on the road and just get to a place of safety insted of hanging letting the bad guys dispatch the goon squad to pick her up).
What the hell was Kimberly thinking also. She should have gotten out, and then got help. This was part of the writing that didn't make any sense, except to keep the characters in more perilous situations then they had to be. But I guess if you have 17 hours to go, you need more filler story. Oh yeah, Kimberly is a hottie.
I really could care less about Sen. Palmer's storyline. Sort of tired of the political skeletons in the closet stories.
I'm thinking the bad guy is actually using Jack as a high profile assassin/divertion, and when everyone's attention is on Jack, the fake photographer will do the real hit on Palmer.
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Originally posted by Patman
Is anyone else thinking that the guy in CTU who's been seeing Nina will wind up being the "straight up" guy and saves the day for Jack at the end?
Is anyone else thinking that the guy in CTU who's been seeing Nina will wind up being the "straight up" guy and saves the day for Jack at the end?
If Jamie was the mole, why didn't she switch the card earlier? That doesn't really make sense either. It's true she was "stone-walling" by being ineffective, enough to bring in the contractor. Perhaps Jamie had to options at the time.
Poor Teri, doing a pretty stupid thing once she knocked up The Sentinel (Why didn't she just high tail on the road and just get to a place of safety insted of hanging letting the bad guys dispatch the goon squad to pick her up).
What the hell was Kimberly thinking also. She should have gotten out, and then got help. This was part of the writing that didn't make any sense, except to keep the characters in more perilous situations then they had to be. But I guess if you have 17 hours to go, you need more filler story.
Poor Teri, doing a pretty stupid thing once she knocked up The Sentinel (Why didn't she just high tail on the road and just get to a place of safety insted of hanging letting the bad guys dispatch the goon squad to pick her up).
What the hell was Kimberly thinking also. She should have gotten out, and then got help. This was part of the writing that didn't make any sense, except to keep the characters in more perilous situations then they had to be. But I guess if you have 17 hours to go, you need more filler story.
Oh yeah, Kimberly is a hottie.

I really could care less about Sen. Palmer's storyline. Sort of tired of the political skeletons in the closet stories.
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Originally posted by Deftones17
great episode, but I was kind of disappointed that they revealed the mole within the agency already. I was kind of hoping they'd draw that out a little bit longer to keep us guessing.
great episode, but I was kind of disappointed that they revealed the mole within the agency already. I was kind of hoping they'd draw that out a little bit longer to keep us guessing.
You're all correct - it IS way too early to expose the mole! The only evidence we have to suspect Jamie is that she got the call from Teri, WROTE DOWN the address (and supposedly sent a CTU car to save her), some guys disquised as CTU agents came and captured Teri and she ripped up the note.
NOW....
Couldn't the guys behind this have seen Jamie writing the address down on the surveillance cameras?
Walsh said she was the only one that could be trusted - that is more credibility than ANYONE has been given so far (in fact the ONLY truth we can stand by right now).
Jamie did rip up/hide the address - but couldn't she have done that because she's afraid that the real CTU mole might see it and somehow foil Teri's rescue?
The mole(s) in the CTU are very well connected - obviously since the have SURVEILLANCE cameras in the main office! - so could not someone have intercepted Jamie's response to Teri's emergency call?
One thing we HAVE learned from last night is this - Nina cannot be the mole either. (I will not comment on that jacket's ability to block those bullets when it wasn't even zipped up - whatever.

I too am SUPER over/bored with the Palmer family story. What a yawn-fest! I can only hope that it somehow weaves back into why/how the assasination plot is going to occur.
Overall, great episode - I'm still trying to avoid those "Next time on 24" and during the week promos. Man, they give away too much most of the time!
p.s. Anyone else catch that Milo is Sean Deamus from Six Feet Under?

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Originally posted by rfduncan
p.s. Anyone else catch that Milo is Sean Deamus from Six Feet Under?
p.s. Anyone else catch that Milo is Sean Deamus from Six Feet Under?

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I thought his name was Gabe. Anyway, he also played some super genius that hooked up with Rena Sofer in The Chronicle and was Jesse, vamp in training, in the Buffy two-part opener.
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Originally posted by das Monkey
I thought his name was Gabe.
I thought his name was Gabe.

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I agree with those who wonder why the bad guys aren't watching Kimberly a bit more closely.
Very interesting point about Jaime perhaps *not* being the mole; some evidence of that may be that she gave goattee guy access to undoctored footage of Bauer's office. If Jaime really was the mole, wouldn't she have botched that favor for goattee guy? Very interesting. Then again, Jaime was upset when Milo was asked to decrypt the key card instead of her.
The most perplexing thing is that whoever designed this assassination plot knew that Bauer would be the one investigating the assassination attempt. The one who put Bauer on the trail was Walsh, so that indicates Walsh may be the baddie. Also, if Jaime is in fact the mole, that jibes with baddie Walsh saying that Bauer could only trust Jaime. But didn't Walsh give Bauer the key card? And didn't the tranquilized guy confirm that Walsh was dead? If Walsh is the baddie, then tranquilized guy is in on the plot and the key card is a red herring.
A third option is that Walsh is the baddie but Jaime is not. Maybe Walsh knew that Jaime's decryption skills were not up to snuff for the key card. Or maybe the information in the key card was intended to be revealed, say, around 3pm (after the assassination attempt), but Milo was getting too close too quickly, so they had to swap cards.
I'm also perplexed that the assassination attempt seems to go down in the next episode. Isn't that waay too soon? Could it be the whole assassination attempt (or at least the first crack) is a diversion?
Very interesting point about Jaime perhaps *not* being the mole; some evidence of that may be that she gave goattee guy access to undoctored footage of Bauer's office. If Jaime really was the mole, wouldn't she have botched that favor for goattee guy? Very interesting. Then again, Jaime was upset when Milo was asked to decrypt the key card instead of her.
The most perplexing thing is that whoever designed this assassination plot knew that Bauer would be the one investigating the assassination attempt. The one who put Bauer on the trail was Walsh, so that indicates Walsh may be the baddie. Also, if Jaime is in fact the mole, that jibes with baddie Walsh saying that Bauer could only trust Jaime. But didn't Walsh give Bauer the key card? And didn't the tranquilized guy confirm that Walsh was dead? If Walsh is the baddie, then tranquilized guy is in on the plot and the key card is a red herring.
A third option is that Walsh is the baddie but Jaime is not. Maybe Walsh knew that Jaime's decryption skills were not up to snuff for the key card. Or maybe the information in the key card was intended to be revealed, say, around 3pm (after the assassination attempt), but Milo was getting too close too quickly, so they had to swap cards.
I'm also perplexed that the assassination attempt seems to go down in the next episode. Isn't that waay too soon? Could it be the whole assassination attempt (or at least the first crack) is a diversion?
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Interesting that most are bored with the Palmer sub-plot. I am finding it as intriguing as the main assassination plot. I have a feeling the two are connected in some way that is yet to be seen.
The only thing that bothers me is that in a multi-million dollar assasination plot, they are keeping the key hostage locked in a tool shed, guarded by a college guy who isn't even a professional criminal? Hopefully there will be some explanation for this (for instance the college guy is just playing nice to get the trust of the daughter).
The only thing that bothers me is that in a multi-million dollar assasination plot, they are keeping the key hostage locked in a tool shed, guarded by a college guy who isn't even a professional criminal? Hopefully there will be some explanation for this (for instance the college guy is just playing nice to get the trust of the daughter).
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Originally posted by nemein
BTW did anyone notice...
BTW did anyone notice...
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Originally posted by Deftones17
i noticed that too. i figured that somehow, they'd find it later and continue working on decoding it.
i noticed that too. i figured that somehow, they'd find it later and continue working on decoding it.
What is misleading is that we THINK we already know who the assassin is - the guy worked up to look like the photographer. We're lead to this by the plastic surgeon's records on the card among other things. This must be a red herring because the assassination cannot happen in the next hour - there are still like 18 left, no?
Something has to screw up and drag us all the way to at least 10pm when then'll spend at least one hour wrapping everything up.