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Originally posted by iawiaw
As for Spike, I liked him better as a sarcastic bad guy. Now he's all emotional and teary eyes. Just not cool. Bring back Angel or even the wimpy Rily, I say.
As for Spike, I liked him better as a sarcastic bad guy. Now he's all emotional and teary eyes. Just not cool. Bring back Angel or even the wimpy Rily, I say.
AHHHH!!!!! Blasphemy! Take it back!
I INFINITELY prefer a neutered Spike to "Captain Cardboard". I really hope Riley's gone for good.
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Originally posted by draven-x
They use "hell" to describe any crappy dimension. It makes sense to use "heaven" to describe any good and peaceful dimension. It is the opposite of "hell".
They use "hell" to describe any crappy dimension. It makes sense to use "heaven" to describe any good and peaceful dimension. It is the opposite of "hell".
While reference to Hell is used in various ways throughout the series, they have avoided using references to Heaven, which is why I took issue with the word. Perhaps to avoid angering Christians? While The Powers That Be is more of an Angel concept, it could still apply as the counterpoint to Hell.
I will agree, with reservations, with das about it being irrelevant. The fact remains that Buffy was at peace and was yanked from it. You could pose the question about whether or not she was “properly” dead, I suppose. But I don’t think it will be explored.
A less obvious issue: will Buffy be feeling bitter about being yanked away from -- wherever she was? I know I would.
BTW, you just KNOW that Buff and Spike are going to have to do the nasty at some point in time.
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Originally posted by das Monkey
She said the best way to describe it was "Heaven". All that can be gathered from that statement is like you said: she was safe and warm and finished. It was a place on contentment that she has been forcibly removed from. Any theological assumptions past that are pointless. Whether she was in a "Heaven" dimension or the Christian Heaven or Sto'vo'kor is not relevant. Just as the term "Hell" is loosely used to describe a negative place outside the current realm, so should we interpret "Heaven" to be the opposite. Did she accept Christ and was sent there by a God? Was she in a warrior's afterlife for dying in battle. Did the Powers That Be recognize her life's work? Was Al the Bartender giving her a break before more difficult missions? I don't think any of these questions are relevant. What's important is that she was finally at peace, and she's been torn from that state.
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She said the best way to describe it was "Heaven". All that can be gathered from that statement is like you said: she was safe and warm and finished. It was a place on contentment that she has been forcibly removed from. Any theological assumptions past that are pointless. Whether she was in a "Heaven" dimension or the Christian Heaven or Sto'vo'kor is not relevant. Just as the term "Hell" is loosely used to describe a negative place outside the current realm, so should we interpret "Heaven" to be the opposite. Did she accept Christ and was sent there by a God? Was she in a warrior's afterlife for dying in battle. Did the Powers That Be recognize her life's work? Was Al the Bartender giving her a break before more difficult missions? I don't think any of these questions are relevant. What's important is that she was finally at peace, and she's been torn from that state.
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Ok. Fine. Perhaps my use of "Heaven" is too specific, and carries too much theological heft.. How about "peaceful-place-after-she-died"? Whatever. It could well be that I'm not fully acquainted with the Buffyverse (I've only been watching since the summer during reruns of Season 3), but I don't immediately see a need for distinction between "Heaven" and "peaceful-place-after-she-died". If there is, hey, I'd love to hear it.
How she got there, what it was exactly, and whether she'll return seem immaterial.
This is where I disagree. If you're in a "peaceful-place", and then you're suddenly yanked to a "not-nearly-as-peaceful-place", how do you not deal with how it sucks? Wouldn't you want to go back? I think this is worth exploring.
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Originally posted by Jad
This is where I disagree. If you're in a "peaceful-place", and then you're suddenly yanked to a "not-nearly-as-peaceful-place", how do you not deal with how it sucks? Wouldn't you want to go back? I think this is worth exploring.
This is where I disagree. If you're in a "peaceful-place", and then you're suddenly yanked to a "not-nearly-as-peaceful-place", how do you not deal with how it sucks? Wouldn't you want to go back? I think this is worth exploring.
Does that clarify my comments? I am in full agreement that her removal is of paramount importance ... I just don't think it matters where she was, just that it was peaceful, and she didn't want to leave.
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Yah. What das said.
[das, you wonder about being a thread killer. Hell, buddy, when you say all there is to say, what else is there to say. Which is to say...umm...ah, screw it! ]
Jad, we ain't picking on you. Trust me. You'll know when we are.
[das, you wonder about being a thread killer. Hell, buddy, when you say all there is to say, what else is there to say. Which is to say...umm...ah, screw it! ]
Jad, we ain't picking on you. Trust me. You'll know when we are.
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Originally posted by Wizdar
[das, you wonder about being a thread killer. Hell, buddy, when you say all there is to say, what else is there to say. Which is to say...umm...ah, screw it! ]
[das, you wonder about being a thread killer. Hell, buddy, when you say all there is to say, what else is there to say. Which is to say...umm...ah, screw it! ]
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Originally posted by das Monkey
You missed my point.
You missed my point.
Wizdar, I don't feel picked on at all... I threw an idea out there, and felt compelled to defend it. That's what open forums are all about.
Ok, all is cool.