Locast doomed?
09-01-21 | 05:10 PM
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DVD Talk God
Locast doomed?
https://deadline.com/2021/09/broadca...it-1234825244/
I don't use Locast for OTA networks, but I get that many do because they live far away from a decent signal or can't afford cable or a live TV streaming service. So I get this will be disappointing if Locast goes under.
UPDATE with broadcasters’ comment: Big broadcasters responded with relief today to a judge’s ruling from Tuesday granting an injunction against television streaming app Locast from transmitting their local TV streams to customers.
In a statement on behalf of ABC, CBS, FOX, and NBC that can be attributed to Gerson Zweifach, counsel for the plaintiffs:
“The federal court’s ruling is a victory for copyright law, vindicating our claim that Locast is illegally infringing copyrights in broadcast television content in violation of federal law,” Gerson Zweifach, counsel for the plaintiffs, said in a statement on behalf of ABC, CBS, FOX, and NBC.
“We will now seek a permanent injunction to stop Locast’s copyright infringement of the programming that the broadcasters and their partners work to create,” the statement said.
PREVIOUSLY: The four major U.S. broadcast networks — ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox — have emerged victorious in a lawsuit against Locast, a nonprofit that enables — or they say, basically steals — local TV streams.
Plaintiffs — the stations — asked a judge to throw out Locast’s claim that its online service is legally exempt from copyright infringement liability because it only seeks donations, not fees, from users, and only enough to keep its business running. Locast wanted a finding that it is exempt.
“Plaintiffs’ motion for partial summary judgment is granted. Defendants’ motion for summary judgment is denied,” wrote Judge Louis Stanton of the Southern District of New York in a ruling Tuesday.
Locast users pay it a minimum $5 monthly fee in exchange for monthlong, uninterrupted service which the judge refused to categorize as “merely a recurring gift to a charitable cause.” Locast “still solicits, and receives, substantial amounts in charges from recipients for its uninterrupted service.”
Locast, founded by David Goodfriend, argues that its funding model qualifies for the statutory exemption because payments from users are re-invested in the organization to cover costs of “maintaining an operating an expanding system.” The judge noted that In 2020, Locast “made far more money from user charges than was necessary to defray its costs of maintaining and operating its service.”
Locast has also been expanding into new markets. “But under the statute, income made from charges to recipients can only be used to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the service, not of expanding it into new markets,” Stanton found.
Backers of Locast, which was founded in 2018, say it is adhering to copyright laws, which permit “boosters” of local broadcast signals, which are designed to secure the accessibility of broadcast signals.
In a statement on behalf of ABC, CBS, FOX, and NBC that can be attributed to Gerson Zweifach, counsel for the plaintiffs:
“The federal court’s ruling is a victory for copyright law, vindicating our claim that Locast is illegally infringing copyrights in broadcast television content in violation of federal law,” Gerson Zweifach, counsel for the plaintiffs, said in a statement on behalf of ABC, CBS, FOX, and NBC.
“We will now seek a permanent injunction to stop Locast’s copyright infringement of the programming that the broadcasters and their partners work to create,” the statement said.
PREVIOUSLY: The four major U.S. broadcast networks — ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox — have emerged victorious in a lawsuit against Locast, a nonprofit that enables — or they say, basically steals — local TV streams.
Plaintiffs — the stations — asked a judge to throw out Locast’s claim that its online service is legally exempt from copyright infringement liability because it only seeks donations, not fees, from users, and only enough to keep its business running. Locast wanted a finding that it is exempt.
“Plaintiffs’ motion for partial summary judgment is granted. Defendants’ motion for summary judgment is denied,” wrote Judge Louis Stanton of the Southern District of New York in a ruling Tuesday.
Locast users pay it a minimum $5 monthly fee in exchange for monthlong, uninterrupted service which the judge refused to categorize as “merely a recurring gift to a charitable cause.” Locast “still solicits, and receives, substantial amounts in charges from recipients for its uninterrupted service.”
Locast, founded by David Goodfriend, argues that its funding model qualifies for the statutory exemption because payments from users are re-invested in the organization to cover costs of “maintaining an operating an expanding system.” The judge noted that In 2020, Locast “made far more money from user charges than was necessary to defray its costs of maintaining and operating its service.”
Locast has also been expanding into new markets. “But under the statute, income made from charges to recipients can only be used to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the service, not of expanding it into new markets,” Stanton found.
Backers of Locast, which was founded in 2018, say it is adhering to copyright laws, which permit “boosters” of local broadcast signals, which are designed to secure the accessibility of broadcast signals.
I don't use Locast for OTA networks, but I get that many do because they live far away from a decent signal or can't afford cable or a live TV streaming service. So I get this will be disappointing if Locast goes under.
09-01-21 | 05:13 PM
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DVD Talk God
Re: Locast doomed?
I did register with them awhile ago and got this email today. I don't quite get what this means.
Locast Nation
As you probably know, the federal district court in the Southern District of New York issued a ruling in the case brought against Locast by the big media companies. The court concluded that by interrupting programming to ask users for donations, and by suspending those interruptions based on whether a user makes contributions, Locast actually was charging a fee, not merely seeking a voluntary contribution. The court then concluded that revenues Locast collects in this manner exceed the cost of operating the service because funds are used to add new markets, rendering Locast ineligible to use the copyright exemption for non-profits (17 U.S.C. 111(a)(5)).
Although we disagree with this interpretation and are exploring our legal options to contest it, out of respect for the court's order,
Locast is suspending immediately all programming interruptions to request donations.
This means that anyone located in a market we serve who signs up for Locast will get the service without interruption, regardless of whether or not they donate.
Of course, it is up to you whether or not to contribute to Locast. But if you currently contribute, we humbly request that you continue to do so. And if you don't contribute, we hope that you will do so if you can afford it.
Thank you.
As you probably know, the federal district court in the Southern District of New York issued a ruling in the case brought against Locast by the big media companies. The court concluded that by interrupting programming to ask users for donations, and by suspending those interruptions based on whether a user makes contributions, Locast actually was charging a fee, not merely seeking a voluntary contribution. The court then concluded that revenues Locast collects in this manner exceed the cost of operating the service because funds are used to add new markets, rendering Locast ineligible to use the copyright exemption for non-profits (17 U.S.C. 111(a)(5)).
Although we disagree with this interpretation and are exploring our legal options to contest it, out of respect for the court's order,
Locast is suspending immediately all programming interruptions to request donations.
This means that anyone located in a market we serve who signs up for Locast will get the service without interruption, regardless of whether or not they donate.
Of course, it is up to you whether or not to contribute to Locast. But if you currently contribute, we humbly request that you continue to do so. And if you don't contribute, we hope that you will do so if you can afford it.
Thank you.
09-01-21 | 05:28 PM
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Re: Locast doomed?
It means those that don't donate don't get the bumpers every few min with request to donate. I give them $5/mo just to make that stop, which is worth it to be able to tune into the news or whatnot remotely, but the picture quality is subpar for viewing on the big screen. I'd hate to see them go under, but I don't watch much network TV anyway. I'll probably continue just because this kind of thing pisses me off. You'd think they want as many eyeballs as possible for ad revenue, but ever since carriage fees became a thing they want to have their cake & eat it too.
09-02-21 | 01:50 AM
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DVD Talk Hero
Re: Locast doomed?
Locast has also been expanding into new markets.
09-02-21 | 09:22 AM
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DVD Talk God
Re: Locast doomed?
Locast just announced they suspended operations
09-04-21 | 12:21 PM
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DVD Talk God
Re: Locast doomed?
Locast is completely dead now. App no longer works. Sorry for those who used this service.
09-04-21 | 01:45 PM
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Re: Locast doomed?
Haven't there been multiple companies attempting to "rebroadcast" or stream local content that were shut down?
09-04-21 | 06:03 PM
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DVD Talk Hero
09-04-21 | 08:03 PM
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DVD Talk Hero
Re: Locast doomed?
Predictable end once the courts became involved. Local broadcast remains a very lucrative business with deep pockets and established case law on their side. The only way a model like Locast would be allowed is if Congress explicitly carved out some kind of protection for it, which they'd never do.
09-07-21 | 10:55 AM
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DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Locast doomed?
This is kind of a bummer as we just cut the proverbial cord (from Dish) a couple months ago and went the Sling TV + Locast route. Liked their interface and simplicity. $5.00 donation was a no brainer.
We rarely watch local networks anymore but Locast had a LOT of really cool public access channels we adored. Now, I'll pick up an OTA usb antenna from Big Lots just to get a couple locals. If quality is terrible, will most likely cave and go Hulu Live.
We rarely watch local networks anymore but Locast had a LOT of really cool public access channels we adored. Now, I'll pick up an OTA usb antenna from Big Lots just to get a couple locals. If quality is terrible, will most likely cave and go Hulu Live.
09-08-21 | 06:44 AM
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Re: Locast doomed?
This is kind of a bummer as we just cut the proverbial cord (from Dish) a couple months ago and went the Sling TV + Locast route. Liked their interface and simplicity. $5.00 donation was a no brainer.
We rarely watch local networks anymore but Locast had a LOT of really cool public access channels we adored. Now, I'll pick up an OTA usb antenna from Big Lots just to get a couple locals. If quality is terrible, will most likely cave and go Hulu Live.
We rarely watch local networks anymore but Locast had a LOT of really cool public access channels we adored. Now, I'll pick up an OTA usb antenna from Big Lots just to get a couple locals. If quality is terrible, will most likely cave and go Hulu Live.
If you like PBS, then your best choice will be YouTube TV. It offers PBS. Hulu Live does not.
09-11-21 | 07:19 AM
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DVD Talk Legend
Re: Locast doomed?
https://www.localbtv.com/
Otherwise, PBS Passport is available for PBS on-demand. If you become a member of your local PBS channel ($5 monthly or $60 annually) , you get access to Passport:
https://www.pbs.org/passport/videos/
09-11-21 | 07:36 AM
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DVD Talk Legend
Re: Locast doomed?
Likewise, FilmOn also tried to get the compulsory license, but also in 2014 they were found in contempt of court for continuing to rebroadcast after a 2012 injunction, and are barred from rebroadcasting.
Predictable end once the courts became involved. Local broadcast remains a very lucrative business with deep pockets and established case law on their side. The only way a model like Locast would be allowed is if Congress explicitly carved out some kind of protection for it, which they'd never do.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/111
(a)Certain Secondary Transmissions Exempted.—The secondary transmission of a performance or display of a work embodied in a primary transmission is not an infringement of copyright if...
(5)the secondary transmission is not made by a cable system but is made by a governmental body, or other nonprofit organization, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage, and without charge to the recipients of the secondary transmission other than assessments necessary to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the secondary transmission service.
(5)the secondary transmission is not made by a cable system but is made by a governmental body, or other nonprofit organization, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage, and without charge to the recipients of the secondary transmission other than assessments necessary to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the secondary transmission service.
Where Locast went wrong was when in 2019 they started interrupting the service every 15 minutes, showing an ad requesting donations and booting people back to the main screen, while making it so that people that donated at least $5/month got uninterrupted service. The judge ruled that this meant that the payment was no longer a donation but a charge, since people who paid got something of value in return: uninterrupted service. Further, Locast was collected more money from these charges than what was necessary "to defray the actual and reasonable costs of maintaining and operating the secondary transmission service," and was using some of the collected money from charges to expand, which isn't allowed under the exemption.
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