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The Kanopy and Hoopla Streaming Thread
Kanopy and Hoopla both offer streaming video through libraries. They both operate on a credit per month system to help libraries control costs (as of February 2018, both services allow 5 credits per month per WPL cardholder). However, there are some differences:
https://www.kanopy.com/ The films that truly resonate with us do more than just entertain. They inspire us, enrich us, and challenge our perspectives. Kanopy ensures that these films reach viewers around the world.We stream thoughtful entertainment to your preferred device with no fees and no commercials by partnering with public libraries and universities. Everyone from film scholars to casual viewers will discover remarkable and enriching films on Kanopy. Log in with your library membership and enjoy our diverse catalog with new titles added every month. At Kanopy we believe in the power of film to bridge cultural boundaries and bring people together. Start watching today and expand your worldview with us. https://www.hoopladigital.com/ hoopla is the digital service of Midwest Tape, a leading provider of entertainment media products and services: DVDs, CDs, audiobooks and shelf-ready solutions, to public libraries across North America for over a quarter of a century. Our purpose has always been to partner with libraries in delivering the best content to patrons in the most streamlined manner possible. Through the years, we've cultivated a growing passion for the evolving public library. hoopla digital builds on that passion by providing public libraries of all sizes the ability to offer patrons an enormous selection of digital video (movies and TV shows), music, audiobooks, ebooks and comics to their patrons. For these libraries, we’ve pioneered a unique model that allows patrons to borrow content immediately, removing artificial availability constraints and maximizing the power of digital content and Internet distribution. Technologically, we focus on the latest browser, phone, tablet, and TV products to deliver the best possible experience to our user – our passion – the public library patron. They offer a pretty decent selection of foreign, independent, and documentary films. Kanopy has an agreement with A24 and Criterion. Sometimes they get mainstream stuff pretty quickly. I saw Hotel Artimace is already on Hoopla. |
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I have both and they're awesome for movies. Kanopy has a shit ton of Criterion, Kino Lorber, and A24 titles. Hoopla has movies, music, audiobooks, comics, and books.
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I put the Hoopla app on my phone couple of months ago. I haven't looked too close at films, but I read a relatively new book that had been on my wish list since it came out. Very nice and convenient. :up:
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My library (which is the whole state) only has Overdrive unfortunately. They have movies too.
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I run Kanopy and Hoopla via my Apple TV. I also have the apps on my phone.
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I recently went to one of my local libraries for the first time in years and noticed the flyer for Hoopla and I signed up for it along with renewing my library card.
It's decent for a free service. There are some things there that I would be interested in seeing. Kanopy seems to have much more, but they're not offered in my area. |
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I'll have to check these out.
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I get Hoopla. They have a great Roku app.
https://channelstore.roku.com/details/196549/hoopla They have most of the classic live action Disney movies. I love watching stuff like North Avenue Irregulars and Candleshoe. They also have some stuff that isn't available on other services, like the original Suspiria. |
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Plus, they have A.P.E. With Joanna Kerns. A classic! |
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I've used Hoopla for books for a couple years now. The Kindle Fire Hoopla app isn't the best but hey, free books to read!
Originally Posted by TheBigDave
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I was happy when they both showed up on my Fire Stick. Pretty cool for free ad-free movies.
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kanopy has a GREAT selection of movies - lots of classics, Criterions and more recent films including a lot of A24's. Watched Ugetsu on there the other night, which I had never seen before.
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I got signed up for Kanopy today (for some reason my library doesn’t subscribe, but my grad school library does). Now I’m wondering if it’s even worth checking out the Criterion streaming service. |
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I watched Mandy on Hoopla. thats the only movie I watched so far, it was dvd equal. Is that what you guys are seeing too ? |
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Yea, I’ve had some quality issues with Hoopla. |
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It's free and watchable. I'm not gonna bitch about the quality. Some movies are better than others.
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My library isn't part of Kanopy (or however it would be said) and only allows me to borrow 5 titles per month at Hoopla.
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Originally Posted by rduncan
(Post 13503118)
My library isn't part of Kanopy (or however it would be said) and only allows me to borrow 5 titles per month at Hoopla.
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I get 9 per month with Hoopla.
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I was talking with a Librarian over the weekend and he told me the library pays something like $3 per film watched on Hoopla, which is why his library doesn’t subscribe to Hoopla. |
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Originally Posted by majorjoe23
(Post 13503599)
I was talking with a Librarian over the weekend and he told me the library pays something like $3 per film watched on Hoopla, which is why his librarian doesn’t subscribe to Hoopla. |
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I double-checked with a colleague and you're right about Hoopla. There's a "per use" fee of about $3 per movie. Some library systems out here can cover the cost, so like if you have a library system that subscribes to Hoopla and gives you more than 5 titles per month, well, that's a generally well-funded library/system.
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Yeah I can hold 10 items each month. |
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It seems Torrance Libraries haven't partnered with these as of yet but it's in discussion. But I think My wife has an LA Card.
Hearing that the Libraries have to pay $3 per film on Hoopla made me feel weird. I mean, do they pay anything when they let you borrow discs directly from them? |
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
(Post 13512379)
It seems Torrance Libraries haven't partnered with these. But I think My wife has an LA Card.
Hearing that the Libraries have to pay $3 per film on Hoopla made me feel weird. I mean, do they pay anything when they let you borrow discs directly from them? Discs are either bought with the money they're given or donated, so I don't think they have to pay anything for that. |
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
(Post 13512379)
It seems Torrance Libraries haven't partnered with these as of yet but it's in discussion. But I think My wife has an LA Card.
Hearing that the Libraries have to pay $3 per film on Hoopla made me feel weird. I mean, do they pay anything when they let you borrow discs directly from them? Depends. They get funds from the city budget to purchase, or grants, etc. On the brightside of things, as far as Torrance library goes - last I checked, was that they have a pretty awesome Blu-ray collection. A colleague told me that they knew the librarian that was in charge of ordering media collection and that he was a big cinemaphile. As far as Kanopy and Hoopla goes - I had to go to my nearest LA County branch and nearest LA City branch to get cards from. |
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Originally Posted by DJariya
(Post 13512380)
That money probably comes out of the budget the city gives the library if I had to guess.
Discs are either bought with the money they're given or donated, so I don't think they have to pay anything for that. Not necessarily donations. It takes time and money in order to get donations into the system that unless it's some high want or it's replacing a missing copy, will get passed on. Donations are usually funneled to the Friends of the Library organization, where proceeds are used to fund services, repairs, programs, and materials for the library. |
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I've been having some issues with Hoopla. I haven't used it since I got my library card about a month ago and set up an account, but tried watching something today and keep getting this message:
The collective daily borrow limit set by your library has been reached and will reset at midnight. Please browse and add titles to favorites so you can easily access them after midnight. |
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Originally Posted by DJariya
(Post 13512743)
It says I can borrow up to 6 titles and have yet to borrow one yet. I don't know what this issue is.
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I was looking to start digging in to the old school Disney catalog with my 5-year old last night and ran into the issue as well. This morning, I was able to borrow Babes in Toyland with no problem, so I'm guessing it was a glitch on hoopla's end.
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Interesting perspective on Kanopy. I can't verify the specifics here, but this person is saying that many titles are now restricted access only; meaning they show up in the app, but when you try to play them, a message comes up saying "your library has limited access" and you can apparently contact your library directly to access it.
These licensing fees that she mentions seem crazy to me. If this is legitimate, then this is really bad for libraries, I would think, especially in smaller library networks with less funding. Anyone here know how any of this stuff actually works in order to verify/dispute this claim? edit: Kate is a lecturer at Harvard, for what it's worth. |
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It’s a nice service, but what’s the big deal if the library’s just stop offering it? If it costs that much they should drop it. |
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That's why I noticed they limit you to 6 "borrows" per month. Watching 1 TV episode also counts towards a "borrow" Probably to help limit the costs of the library.
I'm not worried about Kanopy in my area. It's the Orange County library system in my area and it's a huge network in Orange County, CA. If you live in a much smaller town, I can see this being an issue with their budgets. |
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Originally Posted by Dan
(Post 13519647)
Interesting perspective on Kanopy. I can't verify the specifics here, but this person is saying that many titles are now restricted access only; meaning they show up in the app, but when you try to play them, a message comes up saying "your library has limited access" and you can apparently contact your library directly to access it.
These licensing fees that she mentions seem crazy to me. If this is legitimate, then this is really bad for libraries, I would think, especially in smaller library networks with less funding. Anyone here know how any of this stuff actually works in order to verify/dispute this claim? edit: Kate is a lecturer at Harvard, for what it's worth. https://twitter.com/Cinement/status/1108358008076189698 EDIT - I just read the tweets - looks like it may be isolated to small systems in small towns. I should also say that I have not accessed my Kanopy, so I can't confirm if I got that message. My library system does not subscribe to Kanopy but LA County and Los Angeles Public Library (yes, they're two separate systems) do have it. That's where I get the bulk of my Knaopy needs. |
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She's "A Canadian film doctor. Lecturer at Harvard. Film, media & philosophy. Co-host: The Lodgers: A Twin Peaks Podcast. Cinema Scope contributor."
Location: Boston/Canada/Telluride... I was hoping someone might have further insight (as a librarian or some other profession involved) to either confirm or dispute her claim (which I guess is what her local library told her?), but it seems like that's not going to happen. It just seems like a $150 fee for any film that gets streamed 3+ times (in a year? in a month?) could put a lot of public libraries in the red if use of the app picks up steam. I like Kanopy... it's a good service. It would be nice to know what their actual terms are. edit: I realized I didn't post the whole thread. It's only a couple posts, but anyway, I'll just paste it here. Of course the last part is not specific to Kanopy, but the notion of “free” movies is quite frustrating when what’s happening is a switch away from libraries paying a one-time fee to own a copy vs paying for the right to rent access to it in perpetuity. My library has now deactivated access to many films I want to see - particularly experimental or repertoire films - in order to guard against them being charged for it it seems. You have to reach out to the library directly to request it. they seem available but when you press play you get a message saying your library has limited access to this film. I’m definitely not an expert in this area. Just felt compelled to say something when I saw Kanopy tweeting about providing ‘free’ movies.... |
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Originally Posted by Dan
(Post 13519800)
She's "A Canadian film doctor. Lecturer at Harvard. Film, media & philosophy. Co-host: The Lodgers: A Twin Peaks Podcast. Cinema Scope contributor."
Location: Boston/Canada/Telluride... I was hoping someone might have further insight (as a librarian or some other profession involved) to either confirm or dispute her claim (which I guess is what her local library told her?), but it seems like that's not going to happen. It just seems like a $150 fee for any film that gets streamed 3+ times (in a year? in a month?) could put a lot of public libraries in the red if use of the app picks up steam. I like Kanopy... it's a good service. It would be nice to know what their actual terms are. edit: I realized I didn't post the whole thread. It's only a couple posts, but anyway, I'll just paste it here. I think it's important to know if Kanopy is ripping off public libraries but hey :shrug: free movies! ;) |
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This is exactly what I was worried about.
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Good afternoon, Over the weekend, we became aware of an issue affecting the security of our platform. We promptly resolved the issue by Monday afternoon and are taking all necessary steps to maintain the security of our systems going forward. While our investigation is ongoing, at this stage, we believe significantly less than one percent of accounts have been affected. The only thing as important as providing our Kanopy users with rich viewing experiences is protecting the integrity and security of your data. As our community continues to grow, we will always prioritize ensuring that our platform is entirely secure, regardless of scale. We regret that these circumstances have affected the Kanopy community. While our analysis of the incident is ongoing, I personally assure you that we are doing everything it takes to protect against this type of event in the future. Olivia Humphrey CEO, Kanopy |
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Well, it was fun while it lasted. This is from the Harris County Public Library, which serves the entire Houston area, including my library down the street. This echoes exactly what was mentioned previously about Kanopy's licensing terms. Submitted by admin on Thu, 05/30/2019 - 9:16am Kanopy service will be discontinued (for HCPL) on May 31, 2019 at 11:59pm. Items that you have already checked out will become unavailable at that time. This was a very difficult decision based on our ability to afford a pricing model that charges for every check out. We apologize for any inconvenience to our customers. We will continue to explore alternatives to bring you the best public library digital content. |
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Yep, it's a funding issue with some library systems. Hoopla Digital is the same way.
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