eBay sucks even more now for sellers (if that was even possible)
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I remember the good ol' days when I searched for 'Gremlins' and pulled up 20-30 items.
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I've only used ebay three times in over about a 6 year time period. And only then because I was selling some used "big ticket" items and wanted the few hundred they were worth rather than the $5.00 I would have gotten at the pawn shop. All 4 times I HATED my experience. The last time the most. I had my auction shut down twice because they claimed a bidder had used a stolen account to bid on my item. Only one of those times the stolen account won. So in other words if you get lucky and your item starts a bidding war thus getting you more money for your item than you were expecting (like my item was) and someone using a stolen account bids (but does not win) the auction is closed anyway and you have to start all over again. I was asking for $200 and was up to $300. In the end after starting my auction over twice I only got the asking price of $200. I think eBay owes me $100. Anywho... That's the worst so far. Lucky I work in a mail room and get all my postage for free so I always insure & track my packages. Once I had someone claim a $300 printer I sold them was broken when they received it (it was in 100% working condition when sent and i securely packed the hell outta it). Luckily I insured it. And thanks to us United States Postal Service when you make a claim on an insured item you need to show them the item and whatnot so its the problem of the receiver not the sender. All other times dealing with eBay I just found it to be such a pain. If not for the opportunity to get what my items were worth I would NEVER have used eBay. Thank god I rarely ever have anything of real value to sell because the less I use eBay the better!
And on a buyers note. About 5 years ago I bought two Disney DVDs off a seller. When I received them they were bootlegs. When I went to complain the seller was gone and eBay said there was nothing they could do. This was before PayPal was the big thing. So I paid by credit card. I was out the money. Needless to say that was the first and last time I bought anything off eBay or anything other auction/used site again.
And on a buyers note. About 5 years ago I bought two Disney DVDs off a seller. When I received them they were bootlegs. When I went to complain the seller was gone and eBay said there was nothing they could do. This was before PayPal was the big thing. So I paid by credit card. I was out the money. Needless to say that was the first and last time I bought anything off eBay or anything other auction/used site again.
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So in other words if you get lucky and your item starts a bidding war thus getting you more money for your item than you were expecting (like my item was) and someone using a stolen account bids (but does not win) the auction is closed anyway and you have to start all over again. I was asking for $200 and was up to $300. In the end after starting my auction over twice I only got the asking price of $200. I think eBay owes me $100.
Meanwhile you are stealing from your employer to ship out your personal packages? Good luck with the moral high road.
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I don't think this changes much since 99% of buyers didn't pay for insurance anyways. If the seller offered insurance, the buyer didn't take it, and the item got damaged in transit, the buyer would still win the dispute.
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So someone using a stolen account bids up the final price and you think you are owed this amount? How does that make any sense at all? Since the final price of the legit auction was $200, the value of your item was actually only $200.
Meanwhile you are stealing from your employer to ship out your personal packages? Good luck with the moral high road.
Meanwhile you are stealing from your employer to ship out your personal packages? Good luck with the moral high road.
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Most of my business is on eBay. I'm at around 10.5k feedback (98.7%), with around 6600 listings. While I do get a lot of off eBay/trade site sales, most of it is on eBay. It's a love/hate thing. I enjoy the exposure and the status that backs up the selling experience. I hear a lot of people complain. But I have next-to-no issues with anyone. I generally don't hear from my customers (which I would say is a good thing). They get it, they leave feedback, that's that.
I must say, the new "1% 1 or 2 star ratings" is very, very strict. Right now, I hover around 4.8 and 4.7 ratings. That means, in example, that for every 10 buyers, 9 people leave all five stars and one person leaves 2-4 stars. That's a very rough estimation. I think I'm actually at around 3% '1 and 2 star ratings'. But it just doesn't seem bad to me. I don't have *that* many issues, especially for a used-equipment company. But that 1% is demanding. I hope it turns out well with my new flyers/packing slips. But I just don't know.
That said, I was up in arms over the last big eBay change (positives only, DSR system). But it all turned out fine. It just took a little more discipline to make sure that orders went out on time and I started hammering people about leaving positive, five star feedback (which was kind of hit and miss ... I pissed off some people by emailing them weekly). I think it'll be fine. I'll hold off on buying that revolver [to blow my brains out all over the computer screen] for the day when I get kicked off eBay.
I wouldn't say that eBay is "buyer beware". I would say "use your credit card to pay, or buyer beware". Credit cards still back up your sale, even if eBay doesn't. The unfortunate part is that the seller either needs a merchant account hooked up to eBay (which they do now), or a $0 PayPal balance. Those PayPal bastards don't let you use a CC if you have a balance in there. And I've been burned a few times because of it.
And, man, I don't sell consumer electronics. But it seems like EVERYONE has some ghost story about eBay. I really find a lot of them hard to believe. I think a lot of the time someone is lying ... whether it be the storyteller, or misinformation from a lying buyer/seller, which lead to false facts in the story. I just fail to believe that so many people have trouble with people saying that they didn't get there item. I ship out around 70 packages a week (Fed Ex Ground and USPS Priority Mail). And that NEVER happens. Maybe five times in the past ten years. Back when I sold cell phones (a consumer electronic), it (chargebacks, 'lost packages', etc.) would happen once in awhile, but hardly worth complaining about. I think it's all just boogeyman talk.
In the old days, before there were so many sellers, I used to be able to get good money for 'normal' items (used tools, for example). But, now, where there used to be 20 framing nailguns on eBay, and people would pay $50 for one, there's now 500 on eBay, and it's hard getting $15 at auction. So, instead, I do a 'fixed price' listing for $75 and then take offers. I also can't just market my heavy, capital equipment at a dirt-cheap auction and expect someone to buy. That stuff takes time to find a buyer. There's other places online to list the stuff. But, admittingly, eBay is the best. Not sure if it's the Google hits, or if people just go to eBay. But it works.
Furthermore, hell, when I was a young pup, I would buy movies from Reel.Com (etc.), sometimes watch them and then sell them on eBay for a profit. That was back before EVERYONE had their DVD's on there. And that was also before all of those bootleg jerks showed up.
Lastly, eBay calls itself a "marketplace" these days. I don't think that they call themselves an auction site anymore.
I must say, the new "1% 1 or 2 star ratings" is very, very strict. Right now, I hover around 4.8 and 4.7 ratings. That means, in example, that for every 10 buyers, 9 people leave all five stars and one person leaves 2-4 stars. That's a very rough estimation. I think I'm actually at around 3% '1 and 2 star ratings'. But it just doesn't seem bad to me. I don't have *that* many issues, especially for a used-equipment company. But that 1% is demanding. I hope it turns out well with my new flyers/packing slips. But I just don't know.
That said, I was up in arms over the last big eBay change (positives only, DSR system). But it all turned out fine. It just took a little more discipline to make sure that orders went out on time and I started hammering people about leaving positive, five star feedback (which was kind of hit and miss ... I pissed off some people by emailing them weekly). I think it'll be fine. I'll hold off on buying that revolver [to blow my brains out all over the computer screen] for the day when I get kicked off eBay.
I wouldn't say that eBay is "buyer beware". I would say "use your credit card to pay, or buyer beware". Credit cards still back up your sale, even if eBay doesn't. The unfortunate part is that the seller either needs a merchant account hooked up to eBay (which they do now), or a $0 PayPal balance. Those PayPal bastards don't let you use a CC if you have a balance in there. And I've been burned a few times because of it.
And, man, I don't sell consumer electronics. But it seems like EVERYONE has some ghost story about eBay. I really find a lot of them hard to believe. I think a lot of the time someone is lying ... whether it be the storyteller, or misinformation from a lying buyer/seller, which lead to false facts in the story. I just fail to believe that so many people have trouble with people saying that they didn't get there item. I ship out around 70 packages a week (Fed Ex Ground and USPS Priority Mail). And that NEVER happens. Maybe five times in the past ten years. Back when I sold cell phones (a consumer electronic), it (chargebacks, 'lost packages', etc.) would happen once in awhile, but hardly worth complaining about. I think it's all just boogeyman talk.
In the old days, before there were so many sellers, I used to be able to get good money for 'normal' items (used tools, for example). But, now, where there used to be 20 framing nailguns on eBay, and people would pay $50 for one, there's now 500 on eBay, and it's hard getting $15 at auction. So, instead, I do a 'fixed price' listing for $75 and then take offers. I also can't just market my heavy, capital equipment at a dirt-cheap auction and expect someone to buy. That stuff takes time to find a buyer. There's other places online to list the stuff. But, admittingly, eBay is the best. Not sure if it's the Google hits, or if people just go to eBay. But it works.
Furthermore, hell, when I was a young pup, I would buy movies from Reel.Com (etc.), sometimes watch them and then sell them on eBay for a profit. That was back before EVERYONE had their DVD's on there. And that was also before all of those bootleg jerks showed up.
Lastly, eBay calls itself a "marketplace" these days. I don't think that they call themselves an auction site anymore.
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The insurance thing isn't that big of a deal. I always offer it, and it's usually declined. If I sell a big ticket item, I add it free to get more bids. It's worth spending a bit extra for.
That being said, I have had some crazy buyers. I hate the fact you can't leave a buyer negative feedback. I have rarely had to do so, but it sucks that it's not an option anymore.
I had one buyer complain that I charged $5 for shipping back in 2004 or so, and I only paid $2. Another complained I sold him a strategy guide that wasn't sealed in plastic.
That being said, I have had some crazy buyers. I hate the fact you can't leave a buyer negative feedback. I have rarely had to do so, but it sucks that it's not an option anymore.
I had one buyer complain that I charged $5 for shipping back in 2004 or so, and I only paid $2. Another complained I sold him a strategy guide that wasn't sealed in plastic.
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The biggest difference to good sellers will come next year. Right now, you can get discounts of 5%, 15% and 20% off FVF for DSR's of 7,8,9 in each of your 4 categories.
If I understand correctly. coming in April 2010, good sellers will only get 5 and 20% off based on their DSRs, dropping the middle category. The top spot will be called "Top Seller". The problem with this, if you are a low-medium volume seller and some jerk wants to screw you around, they can to alot of damage and cost you a lot more than the cost of the item.
If I understand correctly. coming in April 2010, good sellers will only get 5 and 20% off based on their DSRs, dropping the middle category. The top spot will be called "Top Seller". The problem with this, if you are a low-medium volume seller and some jerk wants to screw you around, they can to alot of damage and cost you a lot more than the cost of the item.
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Right now, the standard for that 20% discount is 4.9 across the board. I've really, really tried, and max out at 4.9/4.8/4.8/4.8. That's the best I've ever been. It happens throughout any regular month. Usually, by the 9-13th (they don't tell you when they pull the rating .. sneaky stuff), I just qualify for the 5%. But I know that I'm at 4.8 sometimes throughout the month. The 4.9 feels unattainable. But I think I can pull it off someday.
To break it down, you have to have less than .5% 1 or 2 star ratings. So that's 1 person, out of 200, leaving 1 or 2 stars per category. Right now, I'm at .5 - 2.5% across the board. And I work all day, most of the night, just to keep up on my orders and emails. Sometimes I think that people think there's a bunch of workers around here doing everything. But it's just two of us.
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Sellers should at least be able to leave negative feedback when they have to file a complaint with Ebay to get someone to pay. I am so sick of fighting with people who bid on things and then don't pay for 3 or 4 weeks. I am also sick of the same excuse when they finally pay. "They were out of town because of family member was sick, or they were sick themselves". I love that they won't respond to my 2 or 3 emails, but the minute I file the Ebay non payment complaint, they respond within hours. The deck is so stacked against the seller, it is driving me away.
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Exactly why I no longer sell on eBay. I'm done. I'll find ways to sell my stuff other places because their raised fees and allowing Buyers get away with robbery is ridiculous.
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All of the changes are due to both dishonest sellers and to dishonest buyers. I very rarely have problems on eBay and usually I am buying, not selling, but the one time I had a problem as a buyer I will never forget. I bought a CD and I emailed the guy back and forth several times to make sure it wasn't a bootleg, he assured me it wasn't, showed me pictures of the real thing, etc. When I got it in the mail it was a CD-R. Needless to say I was furious. I contacted him and he said tough luck. I reported him to eBay and left him negative feedback. Keep in mind I paid for the item the day he sent me the invoice. He then proceeded to leave me negative feedback as retaliation. So on the one hand I do agree with sellers not being allowed to leave feedback; if anything, eBay should just make it so that if the seller receives prompt payment they HAVE to leave positive feedback. Because really, that is all that matters if you are the seller. As the buyer I have more issues (fast shipping, item as described, etc.)
Still, I've used eBay for years and have had only that one problem. I can't really complain. I do use it as a buyer most often, although as of late I am just using Amazon more; most of the older CDs and DVDs that I want I already have now and the few that I don't I check periodically for.
Still, I've used eBay for years and have had only that one problem. I can't really complain. I do use it as a buyer most often, although as of late I am just using Amazon more; most of the older CDs and DVDs that I want I already have now and the few that I don't I check periodically for.
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All of the changes are due to both dishonest sellers and to dishonest buyers. I very rarely have problems on eBay and usually I am buying, not selling, but the one time I had a problem as a buyer I will never forget. I bought a CD and I emailed the guy back and forth several times to make sure it wasn't a bootleg, he assured me it wasn't, showed me pictures of the real thing, etc. When I got it in the mail it was a CD-R. Needless to say I was furious. I contacted him and he said tough luck. I reported him to eBay and left him negative feedback. Keep in mind I paid for the item the day he sent me the invoice. He then proceeded to leave me negative feedback as retaliation. So on the one hand I do agree with sellers not being allowed to leave feedback; if anything, eBay should just make it so that if the seller receives prompt payment they HAVE to leave positive feedback. Because really, that is all that matters if you are the seller. As the buyer I have more issues (fast shipping, item as described, etc.)
Still, I've used eBay for years and have had only that one problem. I can't really complain. I do use it as a buyer most often, although as of late I am just using Amazon more; most of the older CDs and DVDs that I want I already have now and the few that I don't I check periodically for.
Still, I've used eBay for years and have had only that one problem. I can't really complain. I do use it as a buyer most often, although as of late I am just using Amazon more; most of the older CDs and DVDs that I want I already have now and the few that I don't I check periodically for.
A couple of months ago I put a couple of dvds of the same title up for sell. Some idiot decided to bid on not only the two movies I had, but also a third of the same title(which I found out about later through his feedback history) from smoeone else. After the auctions ended he deicided to only pay for the cheapest of the three. Just some fyi, it wasn't mine.
After msg'ing the guy twice over a span of a week, he finally responds saying "something has come up and he can't pay for my items". I filed the non-paying customer complaint and he responds to ebay with the same msg. I got a FVF credit and he got 2 bidding strikes against him. Then, and only then did he offer to pay for the items. By that time I had sold one & the other was about to end. I go to check out his profile a couple of days later and see the 2 strikes were gone. Less than a week after they were placed on him.
So in the end, I have to pay to relist my items while that sob gets off totally free. And all this was before the "new" rules. So yeah, the sellers do get the shaft.
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Re: eBay sucks even more now for sellers (if that was even possible)
All of the changes are due to both dishonest sellers and to dishonest buyers. I very rarely have problems on eBay and usually I am buying, not selling, but the one time I had a problem as a buyer I will never forget. I bought a CD and I emailed the guy back and forth several times to make sure it wasn't a bootleg, he assured me it wasn't, showed me pictures of the real thing, etc. When I got it in the mail it was a CD-R. Needless to say I was furious. I contacted him and he said tough luck. I reported him to eBay and left him negative feedback. Keep in mind I paid for the item the day he sent me the invoice. He then proceeded to leave me negative feedback as retaliation. So on the one hand I do agree with sellers not being allowed to leave feedback; if anything, eBay should just make it so that if the seller receives prompt payment they HAVE to leave positive feedback. Because really, that is all that matters if you are the seller. As the buyer I have more issues (fast shipping, item as described, etc.)
Still, I've used eBay for years and have had only that one problem. I can't really complain. I do use it as a buyer most often, although as of late I am just using Amazon more; most of the older CDs and DVDs that I want I already have now and the few that I don't I check periodically for.
Still, I've used eBay for years and have had only that one problem. I can't really complain. I do use it as a buyer most often, although as of late I am just using Amazon more; most of the older CDs and DVDs that I want I already have now and the few that I don't I check periodically for.
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How so? If you sell something on eBay and I win the auction I owe you money and you owe me the item in the condition you listed it. If I send you payment the day the auction ends, what else do I have to do? Aside from opening the package and using the item, I can't think of anything. After I pay, I should get positive feedback regardless. The only time I should get negative feedback as a buyer is if it takes me entirely too long to pay or I don't pay at all.
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I don't disagree that the seller should be able to leave feedback, but all the buyer should have to do is pay the agreed upon amount via an agreed method in an appropriate time frame, and include proper shipping information. The only other thing I would hope/expect from them is that they leave feedback - but it seems people don't leave positive feedback very often any more.
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Once upon a time, eBay was the perfect model for a de-regulated economic market. Sellers provided goods regularly not found locally and buyers had a host of options before them. Then, eBay became obsessed with maximizing their profit--and expanding their corporate identity--and became the very essence of what President Reagan characterized as "big government." Only, at least with a big government, as much as they can screw things up, they still at least pave the roads once in a while and make sure someone's there to answer the phone if I call 911. What has eBay done with its allegorical profit?