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Old 04-16-22 | 04:33 PM
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Best/Worst scenes of fake musicians "playing"...

So channel surfing and Six Days Seven Nights was on. At the start of the film a resort band was playing and it was comically obvious that they were just holding random instruments and moving to a random beat that has nothing to do with the song that was dubbed in.

As a musician who plays guitar/drums it drives me bonkers when I see this stuff. Wrong hand positions, drum kits that are too simple for the song being "played", etc.

So what are some terrible and good examples of "bands" in movies?
Old 04-16-22 | 05:21 PM
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Band is okay, but that white audience is about a fake looking as it gets.
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This sort of thing is everywhere. I stumbled upon this clip from The Simpsons episode where Bart learns the drums and goes head to head with The White Stripes:

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I'm no musician but this looks totally fake to me, and I don't believe you could get that sound out of toy piano.

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Cameron Crowe sent his actors to "Rock & Roll Camp" to get instructions from Peter Frampton and Ann Wilson on how to appear to be a competent musician before shooting Almost Famous. Think it was a good idea and worked pretty well.
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Miami Connection
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Tonight is What it Means to Be Young and I Can Dream About You at the end of Streets of Fire...
Old 04-16-22 | 09:06 PM
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There was a clip of a Noir film from the 40s or 50s that (I think) briefly appeared in It Came From Hollywood that has a female singer/pianist playing in a lounge. She plays the piano as if she's spinning brew in a cauldron.
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What about singers?


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Elvis in every single movie.
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Gael Garcia Bernal’s conducting in Mozart in the Jungle.
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One of our neighbors is a musician (guitar player) in his late 60s and he loves movies about music/musicians and Woody Allen movies, so Sweet and Lowdown was a must see for him. He's always raging about Sean Penn's "abilities".
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I always got a laugh watching the Hideous Sun Demon due to the piano playing by the love interest. Go to the 25 minute mark:

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John Garfield played the violin in a close shot in HUMORESQUE (1947) with one violinist's hand playing the top of the violin and another violinist's hand moving the bow. Once you know that, it takes you out of the movie every time he plays the violin.



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John Garfield's violin "performances" are actually played by two professional violinists standing on either side of him, one to bow and one to finger. The actual music was performed by Isaac Stern. In Stern's autobiography, "My First 79 Years" (New York: Knopf, 1999; page 51), when the movie shows closeups of the hands alone playing the violin (without Garfield in the frame), those are Stern's hands.
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I always got a laugh watching the Hideous Sun Demon due to the piano playing by the love interest. Go to the 25 minute mark:
It looks like she's kneading some dough. I like how she only ever looked at the keys once during that whole performance, even when she does multiple hand-crossovers to the high registers.
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Elvis in every single movie.
Top Secret! played it for laughs. Skip to the 1:00 mark.

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This can also happen with rock videos.

I've seen a few videos where the guitar and/or bass lines portrayed "being played" visually on the video, are completely wrong.

Other cases is where the lip synching is done very poorly with the music.
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One funny case was the "guitar solos" in Cheech and Chong's Next Movie. One was at home where the guitar was so loud that it was shaking up the entire neighorhood, and another time at a music store where the amplifier blows up and triggers a fire. (It turns out it was the exact same guitar solo both times).

Tommy Chong was "playing" both times, where the hand movements did not correspond correctly to the proper notes and technique.

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Originally Posted by Decker
Cameron Crowe sent his actors to "Rock & Roll Camp" to get instructions from Peter Frampton and Ann Wilson on how to appear to be a competent musician before shooting Almost Famous. Think it was a good idea and worked pretty well.
Wonder if something similar happened with Tom Hanks when he directed and acted in the 1996 movie "That Thing You Do".

The drummer in "The Wonders" fictional band portrayed by Tom Everett Scott, does "perform" with an almost proper technique.
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This can also happen with rock videos.

I've seen a few videos where the guitar and/or bass lines portrayed "being played" visually on the video, are completely wrong.

Other cases is where the lip synching is done very poorly with the music.
I saw an early music video by The Police. They must have been angry at the producer, because they all played wrong.
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Wonder if something similar happened with Tom Hanks when he directed and acted in the 1996 movie "That Thing You Do".

The drummer in "The Wonders" fictional band portrayed by Tom Everett Scott, does "perform" with an almost proper technique.
In the wonderful The Ringer article on The Oral History of Walk Hard, they talk about the training that the three comedic actors who play Dewey Cox's band had to go through so they would look credible enough in their parts, even though the movie was just a silly comedy.
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Few of the supporting roles were as important as the three members of Dewey’s band.

Chris Parnell (Theo): I got a call from Jake and Judd Apatow telling me about it and asking if I wanted to be a part of it. I couldn’t say no to something like that.

Matt Besser (Dave): I took guitar lessons when I was like 12. And I was terrible and I hated it. My teacher was old and we just played “Row, Row, Row Your Boat” and shit. But I’d always been a fan and hung out with guys in bands.

Tim Meadows (Sam): The preproduction work that they did on the movie was amazing. We learned how to play more songs than were in the movie. We had to learn everything that could possibly be coming our way.

Reilly: I just knew going in every day, “I’ve got this all-star comedy team around me.” So if I have to keep it serious one day, or I just don’t have any great ideas, these guys are just: boom boom boom. Every single day they’re coming up with new stuff and funny stuff.

Fischer: Me and Chris and Matt and Tim, we had a lot of free time on the set. We were like just sitting around in our full wardrobe waiting for our one hour of work each day. I just remember them making me laugh so hard.

Besser: When Judd gave us those roles, they gave us our instruments and teachers.

John Armentrout (music coach): They hired me to work with Matt Besser. He was struggling with guitar and needed some help.

Besser: I just would have nightmares of there being close shots on my fret work in the movie at some point. And of course, at best, they were 100 yards away from us playing guitar.

Armentrout: He grew to trust me and liked me and I guess he had talked to Chris Parnell on the set one day. … He had been taking lessons in New York on a regular electric bass and so Matt had told him about me and said, “Hey, maybe John can help you out.” So Chris called me and I started working with him.

Parnell: They gave me a bass that was marked with the frets, so I could figure out where to put my fingers more easily. And then they wrote it out in a way that would be easy to follow.

Armentrout: They made a last-minute change. They said, “In the ’50s-style stuff, we want you to play an upright bass because we just think the look would be better. It would be cool.” He was a little frustrated, and understandably so, because it was a completely foreign-looking instrument. And then he dove into it.

Parnell: I’m a little obsessive, so sometimes the track that we’d learn would change when we were actually shooting. Some little thing would be different, or maybe quite a bit different in the bass line, that would always drive me crazy. I would go, “What? That’s not what I learned.” I’m sure I was not a joy to deal with.

Armentrout: Look, I’m not an actor. I wasn’t gonna tell them how to act. I thought the only way I knew how to do this was to actually show them how to play the instruments and see how far they could take it.

Besser: The teachers would be like, “OK, this is the way they would strum in the late ’50s. And in the mid-’60s, they started strumming like this.” So it wasn’t just that we were learning how to play. We were learning how they would specifically do things in each era.

Meadows: I went in thinking my character is one of the best drummers in R&B or rock ’n’ roll. He had a reason for being around so long. Because the musicians were gonna stay throughout the whole span of the movie. So I was like, “This guy has gotta be good then.”

Besser: I think we stressed about it way too much. But the actual filming, when you’re there, is about the comedy, not, “Let’s hear Parnell, Meadows, and Matt Besser’s musicianship.”

Meadows: It’s the hardest work I ever did on a movie. I had to practice playing the drums. They had a set of electric drums set up in a room on the studio at the offices and I would go in on my days off and practice.

Parnell: It felt like getting to be a rock star for a little bit.

Meadows: Besser was actually strumming some of the chords correctly. But there were points where Besser couldn’t do it. He couldn’t strum it correctly. So he would turn to me like while we were playing so he would hide his fingering from the camera shot. And I would just shake my head, “No. You’re fucking horrible.” Like in character, though. He did it so much.

Besser: It was Chris, Tim, and I. We were a little trio. We became a band. When I think of that movie, I just think of the three of us, honestly.

Meadows: We ate our meals together every day on the set. And it was fun. There were running bits that we would do. We tried to make each other laugh. One I remember, we were doing that scene with Jack White, where we run off stage. We were just shooting the side where we all run off stage and as soon as we were out of camera frame, me and Besser would turn to Chris Parnell and pretend to kill him. We would mime it. I would hit him in the head with my drum sticks, and Matt would knee him in the stomach. And Chris would play along. He would bend over and then we would like, knock him to the floor and start kicking him in the face.

Armentrout: I told them that my one goal for them—aside from doing really well on camera—was I wanted them to play “Walk Hard” for me once as a group. Not to track or anything. And there was a point when we were down in San Pedro at the Warner Theatre where we were rehearsing and we kind of went through everything. We were talking about the punk version of “Walk Hard” and how we were gonna do that. And so I said, “Hey, we’ve got a few minutes to kill here.” And so I asked them—because they were kind of like, “We’re done, we want to get some lunch”—I said, “Can you do this for me?” And they’re like, “Yeah, sure we’ll do it.” They played through “Walk Hard,” start to finish, as a band. I’m not gonna say it was great or anything but it was pretty good. It made my day.



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Originally Posted by morriscroy
Wonder if something similar happened with Tom Hanks when he directed and acted in the 1996 movie "That Thing You Do".

The drummer in "The Wonders" fictional band portrayed by Tom Everett Scott, does "perform" with an almost proper technique.
Although The Wonders did not do a very good job pretending to be Cap'n Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters in Weekend at Party Pier.

How about the Ramones in Rock-n-Roll High School when they show up to the theater playing I Just Want to Have Something To Do in the back of their car? Marky didn't even have drums to pretend on, he was just waving his sticks in the air.

Then there's The Partridge Family, with Danny Bonaduce strumming a bass.

I never believed for a moment that Lou Diamond Phillips was playing that bad-ass solo in La Bamba.

But hey, let's give props to Gary Busey as Buddy Holly...that's actually him playing for real. If you weren't sure, watch the opening performance of That'll Be the Day when the drummer adjusts his snare mid-song. You wouldn't do that if you were faking it.

Edit:
I stand corrected. Marky did have drums in the car:

but not after they got out and started walking down the street

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They could have at least given him a snare.
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Originally Posted by Runaway
One of our neighbors is a musician (guitar player) in his late 60s and he loves movies about music/musicians and Woody Allen movies
The string quartet in Bananas
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The "musicians" are miming playing non-existent instruments, with no music coming out.
Allen: "Can you keep it down? I'm getting a headache."















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There was a Mystery Science Theater 3000 outing, I'm thinking The Wild Rebels (but possibly Catalina Caper) where they asked how the band was able to fade out in a live performance.


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