Ticketmaster accused of colluding with scalpers
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Speaking of ticket prices.... They suddenly announced a show with Dave Chappelle. Sold out six shows in Denver in an hour. A friend wanted to take 3 of us...if the ticket prices weren't too high. After sitting in a Ticketmaster queue for 30 minutes the tickets came up to $400 each. Yeah, no gonna happen.
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Speaking of ticket prices.... They suddenly announced a show with Dave Chappelle. Sold out six shows in Denver in an hour. A friend wanted to take 3 of us...if the ticket prices weren't too high. After sitting in a Ticketmaster queue for 30 minutes the tickets came up to $400 each. Yeah, no gonna happen.
#28
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Basic rules of supply and demand. The demand for a popular, well known artist is much higher than that of a group of lesser-known ones. If a ticket to a show can fetch $400 on the secondary market, is it really wrong for the artist to ask for half that much when selling a ticket? One one level it does suck to gouge fans, but on the other I'd rather my favorite artists get rich from their touring rather than a bunch of scalpers with bots. Garth Brooks did an impressive job of keeping his tickets to his intimate solo residency shows at the Wynn cheap by making it impossible to sell them and requiring ID checks when you arrive at the venue. It was a lot of work and eventually they dropped it. But that's the only time I saw an artist that dedicated to giving his fans a show at an affordable price.
I don't know what the answer is, but if an Adele ticket goes for $1000 on the secondary market, how much should she be selling them for?
I don't know what the answer is, but if an Adele ticket goes for $1000 on the secondary market, how much should she be selling them for?
Many years ago when Garth was red hot with “Low places” Garnick’s, which was opened by the brothers’ father in 1934, began a new trend in music shops. In 1990, Garnick’s was one of the first record shops to offer used CDs at a cheap price. The Capitol records representative saw they were selling used CDs. Keep in mind, that this was back in the $25 per CD price days. The store had maybe two or three used copies of the new Brooks’ CD for sale and a half dozen copies of the new CD for full price in the rack as well.
When the sales representative saw this, he lost his mind and accused Bob Garnick of ripping them off; “Garth won’t receive any royalties for the sale” he cried. As an industry insider Bob knew at the time Garth received about two dollars or so per CD sold, making him a millionaire many times over already. The rep cried foul and berated the shop for stealing from them and their artist. Other CDs from other labels were also for sale at the time, but Capitol was hot with the new Pink Floyd album and Garth plus other bands. Mind you also, it had been common practice for decades for shops like this to sell used records and tapes, so this was a natural and obvious extension for them.
Bob had been in the business for decades at this point and was a big name locally. Garnick’s also distributed concert tickets for The Dead and other bands directly in various venues, as well as shows for the Boston Garden. Bob was selling the used CDs for 10 bucks or so but did not have many for sale yet as it was a new idea to resell CDs. He thought little of the conversation as he had resold records and other music media for decades, so he saw no issue with selling used CDs. Also, this was long before digital music existed commonly, so people were still making mixtapes on Cassette and it was hard to get the same quality as CD duplication was still not commonly done.
A few days later, Bob got a phone call. “Is this Bob Garnick?” “Yes, it is Bob replied. “Hi Bob, this is GARTH BROOKS, Bob what you are doing is illegal and you are basically stealing from me and my label. If you don’t stop selling my used CDs, I have instructed Capitol records to stop distributing to your store.” The exact words spoken may be lost to time but the gist of the call was ‘our lawyers will be in touch if you don’t stop.’ So with a big close, Garth says “so Bob, will you be removing those CDs from your sales floor?” Bob replied, “No Mr. Brooks, I will not be doing that.” And promptly hung up the phone.
When the sales representative saw this, he lost his mind and accused Bob Garnick of ripping them off; “Garth won’t receive any royalties for the sale” he cried. As an industry insider Bob knew at the time Garth received about two dollars or so per CD sold, making him a millionaire many times over already. The rep cried foul and berated the shop for stealing from them and their artist. Other CDs from other labels were also for sale at the time, but Capitol was hot with the new Pink Floyd album and Garth plus other bands. Mind you also, it had been common practice for decades for shops like this to sell used records and tapes, so this was a natural and obvious extension for them.
Bob had been in the business for decades at this point and was a big name locally. Garnick’s also distributed concert tickets for The Dead and other bands directly in various venues, as well as shows for the Boston Garden. Bob was selling the used CDs for 10 bucks or so but did not have many for sale yet as it was a new idea to resell CDs. He thought little of the conversation as he had resold records and other music media for decades, so he saw no issue with selling used CDs. Also, this was long before digital music existed commonly, so people were still making mixtapes on Cassette and it was hard to get the same quality as CD duplication was still not commonly done.
A few days later, Bob got a phone call. “Is this Bob Garnick?” “Yes, it is Bob replied. “Hi Bob, this is GARTH BROOKS, Bob what you are doing is illegal and you are basically stealing from me and my label. If you don’t stop selling my used CDs, I have instructed Capitol records to stop distributing to your store.” The exact words spoken may be lost to time but the gist of the call was ‘our lawyers will be in touch if you don’t stop.’ So with a big close, Garth says “so Bob, will you be removing those CDs from your sales floor?” Bob replied, “No Mr. Brooks, I will not be doing that.” And promptly hung up the phone.
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I can't believe the price of tickets for major artist in general. I'm a metalhead, and rarely pay more than $25 to see a show, but Elton John is finally playing somewhere I'm actually located and was pumped to see him. Tickets came and went in a second and the cheapest I can find now is $200 a piece for the nose bleeds. I paid $250 for my 4 day Maryland Deathfest tickets, I just can't justify paying $200 to see one band. I don't see how people who listen to popular bands/singers afford to go to concerts often.
He's playing Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte in September. Just looked, and upper level seats in a damn football stadium a mile from the stage are $220-350. No damn way.
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I can't believe the price of tickets for major artist in general. I'm a metalhead, and rarely pay more than $25 to see a show, but Elton John is finally playing somewhere I'm actually located and was pumped to see him. Tickets came and went in a second and the cheapest I can find now is $200 a piece for the nose bleeds. I paid $250 for my 4 day Maryland Deathfest tickets, I just can't justify paying $200 to see one band. I don't see how people who listen to popular bands/singers afford to go to concerts often.
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It's a shame. I'd love to see Elton John. I understand it's his farewell tour, and demand is high for a last tour, but that would be over a grand for 3 tickets, not to mention the hotel room in Charlotte afterwards and meals and all the associated costs. The only artist I'd pay that for is dead, and I saw Prince 5 times over the years, and never paid more than $100 a ticket.
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Elton lost his voice years ago
I am a big fan but never even bothered seeing him in one of his hundred-plus Vegas shows because he just can't sing any more.
I am a big fan but never even bothered seeing him in one of his hundred-plus Vegas shows because he just can't sing any more.
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I've seen Elton 5 times, one of them with Billy Joel. Each time the show was fantastic. Hell, one of them was on the first leg of this Farewell tour. I'm a fan but I wouldn't drop $300 for a concert ticket.




