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LOL at the other STP guys thinking there's still an STP without Weiland. The headline should be "Other STP guys consider Army of Anyone/Talk Show reunions."

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STP rule.

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Meh, they should stay broken up. The last album they did wasn't that great and they haven't made a good album in quite a while if you ask me.

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Scott's two solo albums were way better than the last STP album. I'll take more of those. (and no I am not including that weird x-mas album)

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The last STP album was awful. Stay broken up.

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Shocking.

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Fixed

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Call Rick Rubin up time to make a new Audioslave album.

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Yeah I think people are tiring of bands that are made up of remanants of other bands who can't get along or are too stoned to get along.

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They need to find a marginally talented Pilipino sound-alike. Only this will save STP.

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Yeah, Shangri La was their last good album. Didn't care for the last one.

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You say that but when the Billboard album sales come out they usually do pretty well. Not that I really liked Audioslave but the publicity they got was ridiculous.

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I like STP, but I can only name Scott Weiland from the band.

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I heard some new song by them called "Take a Load Off" or something like that. Yeesh, it was awful...

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Love these two tracks - simple, with some great fucking riffs. the DeLeo Bros are great:

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Is that convert available for purchase someplace? I remember recording it on tape when it showed up on Direct TV years ago, but I don't wanna hook up the VCR just to occasionally watch that.

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Nope, that show has never been available for legit purchase. I also had the VHS recording off of the Direct TV feed when it first came out.

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I had a friend text me that STP had taken the stage, so I figured they hadn't broken up. That's actually a good choice in Chester being their lead vocalist. I saw STP headline tour festival (the name escapes me) where Deadsy, Static-X, Staind, and Linkin Park all played together like 10 years ago and Chester did a couple of songs with the band.

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It's a pretty good approximation of what it would sound like if STP had a Skynyrd-style plane crash and Weiland's less-talented little brother took over for him.

I'm neither a Weiland fanboy or a Linkin Park hater but this is "could be worse" at best, and it's still unacceptable while Weiland still lives and breathes. These three guys need to realize they're lucky to have hitched their wagons to Weiland. He's obviously a trainwreck but putting up with a trainwreck so you can make hundreds of thousands of dollars as a touring musician is better than actually working for a living.

Tons of professional musicians put up with difficult stars every day, what makes these three nobodies think they're above that?

Here's what they should do: find a major metropolitan city with two comparable venues. Book them both the same night. Sell them both as STP shows. Put the names of who is actually in each band on all the bills, posters etc. Let people pick between Stone Temple Pilots with Scott Weiland and 3 new guys and the other version with these three losers and the guy from Linkin Park. The better-selling show decides the fate of the band. The Linkin Park version wins and it shows Weiland is expendable. Weiland wins (and he would) and shows the other members who the real draw is.

Well, that or anyone with half a brain can realize that any one of these three guy could leave the band and it would be a 1-line blurb at best and act accordingly.

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Song is decent but would prefer they just mend fences and record another album with Weiland.

It's too bad they can't make their money with albums, since Scott can't handle touring it seems.

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trick question. weiland either wouldn't show up, or be zonked out of his mind and the three guys on stage would either have to sing themselves, or pick someone from the crowd.

(sober scott and we have a game, but the odds are more likely Morrison comes out of hiding from Africa)

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Here's the thing though, Weiland may have been the focal point of the band, but he was hardly the main creative force. Most of their music was written and performed by the DeLeo brothers - Dean on guitar, and Robert on bass. Robert was particularly the main songwriter of the band, and Dean is perhaps one of the most overlooked guitarists of the last 20 years. Drummer Eric Kretz is no slouch, either. They were the true creative force of the band, writing and playing most all those catchy hooks. So forgive me if I take offense to someone who refers to them as "the three losers".

Trouble was, for all that talent, they still needed someone with the charisma of Scott Weiland to help sell it. And for a long time, everything was good, until the "real" loser of the band couldn't keep his shit together. Honestly, I can't think of an artist who had more going for him (that didn't off himself), who time and again decided to piss it all away. If he could just have stay off the drugs and drink, and keep his head in check, everyone would be better off for it.

Unfortunately, these two entities just seem to be the right magical combination that works the best . Together, they are the porridge that Goldilocks ate, but on their own, or in other projects, it has been fairly well proven that people don't seem to have the same taste for them.

Weiland's two solo albums were ok, but his first was exactly what I was afraid it would be - a mostly over indulgent mess. His second was better, but they still showed that he doesn't have enough creative juice on his own to be truly successful. The albums he did with Velvet Revolver were an improvement, but only further helped illustrate the point that he needed other talented people to filter musical ideas through.

As for the DeLeo brothers and Kretz, the Talk Show album was as good as any STP album in my book. The only thing it could have benefitted better from was if they had perhaps used a more well known singer than Dave Coutts - whose prior band Ten Inch Men didn't exactly draw a lot of notice. They tried to remedy this the second time out with singer Robert Patrick (Filter) and drummer Barrett Martin (Screaming Trees, Mad Season) and the Army Of Anyone project, but it came too many years too late for most to care.

I get that this time out they are obviously keeping the STP name in hopes of better success. With three out of four original members, they certainly have more claim to it, and are deserving of it. But that said, I don't think it'll help them much. At least not at this point in the game. And unfortunately, as much as he also makes the band, there has been no one who has done more to sully the name of Stone Temple Pilots than Scott Weiland.

Oh, and for the record, I thought the last album was pretty damn good.

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I love the hell out of "Tiny Music From the Vatican Gift Shop". All of the other stuff feels like something from my childhood (which it is). But Tiny Music is still a good listen anytime. An all around epic album.

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Great post. Sorry, but anyone referring to the DeLeo brothers and Kretz as "three losers" seems to not know that much about music and can't possibly be taken seriously.

I watched the KROQ video and was impressed. Chester's voice isn't for everyone, but IMO, he's a pretty damn good fit. Give me the choice between those 2 bands - I would take Chester with the rest of STP in a heartbeat.

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I second that.

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Maybe "three losers" was a little harsh but without Weiland they're Talk Show or Army of Anyone. That says it all. You can say all you want about their contributions in the band but the frontman is almost always the main draw and STP isn't even close to being an exception.

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The DeLeos and Kretz are professionals, and it says something that you can name the other two bands they've been in. It's not their fault that Weiland can't get his life together. It's easy to be outside of the group and say they should tough it out and stick with him, but you have to remember that this shit has been going on since the early-to-mid 90s.

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Scott Weiland is playing a solo show at one of the HOB's here at the end of the month and June, I think. It will be interesting to see if he says anything leading up to, during, and after the show(s).

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The new song sounds alright, but I can't help but put it in the Gary Cherone in Van Halen category.

Van Halen III is not a great album, but it's not awful either. But there was no chance of Cherone's tenure being a success. In this case, there's even less of a chance as Linkin Park is arguably bigger than STP at this point in their careers.

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Stone Temple Pilots Suing Ex-Frontman Scott Weiland

The Stone Temple Pilots accuse former frontman Scott Weiland of misusing the band's name to further his solo career and want a judge to strip the rocker of his ability to use the group's name or songs.

A lawsuit filed Friday in Los Angeles accuses Weiland of being chronically late to concerts while the group was together and having his lawyer attempt to interfere with the airplay of the group's new single "Out of Time."

Weiland and Stone Temple Pilots parted ways in February, and the 45-year-old singer said at the time that he learned of his ouster from a statement released to the media.

The suit sheds light on the band's breakup, accusing Weiland of interacting with band mates only through lawyers or managers and showing up late to the group's 2012 shows. It cites Weiland's addiction struggles and poor performances as detriments to the band's earning potential.

"The band endured much strife and lost significant opportunities because of Weiland," the suit states.

Phone messages left for Weiland's manager Andrea Pett-Joseph and lawyer Gary Stiffelman were not immediately returned Friday.

The lawsuit claims the band owns the rights to the name Stone Temple Pilots, and the band's songs, copyrights and trademarks. Wieland has used many of the band's hits in his solo shows, the lawsuit states. The band wants a judge to block him from even calling himself a former member of the band.

The band has been reconstituted with Chester Bennington of Linkin Park taking the frontman role.

The lawsuit claims that Weiland's lawyer called the head of programming at KROQ, a Los Angeles modern rock station, and said if the station played "Out of Time" it would be infringing on Weiland's rights.

"Enough is enough," the band's lawsuit states. "Without relief from the court, Weiland will continue violating STP's rights, misappropriating STP assets and interfering with the band's livelihood."

The lawsuit states the band entered into agreements in 1996 and 2010 that state that no former members can use the Stone Temple Pilots name.

The band's hits include "Vasoline," ''Interstate Love Song" and "Plush," which won a Grammy in 1993 for best hard rock performance with vocal.

Weiland alluded to lawyers getting involved when the band's statement about his departure was released.


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I never really know how to feel about bands that replace the lead singer. I mean, it worked for Van Halen (Sammy Hagar), but every other instance I've seen it just doesn't feel right (Queen+ _____ INXS, etc..)

I understand the why behind them keeping the STP name, but having Chester doing Scott sung songs borders on cover band territory.

Honestly, I think STP has reached a point where they are appealing mostly to their fan. So I don't see how breaking up and forming a new band would hurt. I mean, if you like STP enough to know they are having these troubles, you're gonna know that they broke up and the other members formed _________ with the dude from Linkin Park.

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Van Halen was only in the public conscious for 7 years when Sammy Hagar joined. Even though they had a couple of classic albums when Sammy joined, they were still relatively new to the public. I think that is why they had a better chance. And it didn't hurt that Eddie was still writing decent music and huge hits at the time.

When bands start replacing the lead singers and they have been around for 10 plus years,have had several classic albums, and the lead singer basically embodied the vision and sound of the band (in the public's mind at least) makes it fail (i.e. Alice In Chains, Queen, Journey, Motley Crue, etc).

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Queen, a band I really did not care for, is the quintessence of this. Farrokh Bulsara was such an integral part of the band in his vocals, writing, showmanship and design that he was not just irreplaceable, there is no Queen without him. He was the core of the group. Not really my place to say but the rest of the guys should have called themselves something other than Queen.

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Well, in Queen's defense the founding members were also part of the band, not just Freddie, which is why they added the AND ____, with Paul Rodgers and those other guest vocalists.

STP could just do the same "STP and Chester Bennington" or "STP featuring Chester Bennington," etc.

Scott also made a good point that he's never used the STP name while touring solo. It's either been his own name or the name of his solo band.

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I agree with some of that, but not all of it is true in Van Halen's case. The band had been around for almost 10 years with David Lee Roth, with six Top 20 albums, five of which were Top 10, and three of which were Top 5 on Billboard's Top 200 Album chart. They'd also had eleven Top 100 singles, including a #1, and had just come off of their best selling album to date when Roth left the band. It was hardly like they were relatively new to the public. One of the reasons Roth went solo in the first place, was beacause he was becoming such a personality in his own right, and he very much embodied the vision and sound of the band. It was a pretty big deal when Sammy Hagar replaced him, and nobody knew if it was going to work.

The only other major band that had switched a lead singer under similar circumstances, and had equal or greater success was AC/DC. They, at least, got cut some slack, as their former lead singer (Bon Scott) had died.

I suppose you could say Genesis, too, after Peter Gabriel left - but at least Phil Collins had already been doing some of the singing on their albums, and was already a member of the band.

Journey is an odd exception, as Steve Perry wasn't their original lead singer, either. Keyboardist Greg Rollie (who had also sung on a number of Santana songs when he and guitarist Neal Schon were members of that band), was the band's original vocalist. Then there was a brief dalliance with singer Robert Fleischman (Channel, Vinnie Vincent Invasion), before Steve Perry was brought into the fold on their fourth album - and even then, Rollie was still handling a fair amount of lead vocals until he left the band. True, though, that the band did achieve their greatest success with Steve Perry.

Generally, though, the main reason a band will stick with a name is for buisness purposes. It's much easier to sell a known entity, than it is to a new, unkown one. Right or wrong, there are plenty of people who will buy an album, or see a concert by a name they know, without even bothering to see if any of the band members have changed. That's at least what the labels are counting on, and many times (but not always) that's what they'll insist on. It can often decide on whether a band will get (or keep) a record deal, or not. With STP, I can almost guarantee that this is at least partially the case, and in all fairness, I can't say I entirely blame them for it.

That said, I think Why So Blu? is onto something that would be more PC, with his suggestion they should refer to themselves as "STP with Chester Bennington".