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I feel so stupid for forgetting AC/DC.
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Originally Posted by Rocketdog2000
(Post 11706486)
I agree with some of that, but not all of it is true in Van Halen's case. The band had been around for almost 10 years with David Lee Roth, with six Top 20 albums, five of which were Top 10, and three of which were Top 5 on Billboard's Top 200 Album chart. They'd also had eleven Top 100 singles, including a #1, and had just come off of their best selling album to date when Roth left the band. It was hardly like they were relatively new to the public. One of the reasons Roth went solo in the first place, was beacause he was becoming such a personality in his own right, and he very much embodied the vision and sound of the band. It was a pretty big deal when Sammy Hagar replaced him, and nobody knew if it was going to work.
The only other major band that had switched a lead singer under similar circumstances, and had equal or greater success was AC/DC. They, at least, got cut some slack, as their former lead singer (Bon Scott) had died. I suppose you could say Genesis, too, after Peter Gabriel left - but at least Phil Collins had already been doing some of the singing on their albums, and was already a member of the band. Journey is an odd exception, as Steve Perry wasn't their original lead singer, either. Keyboardist Greg Rollie (who had also sung on a number of Santana songs when he and guitarist Neal Schon were members of that band), was the band's original vocalist. Then there was a brief dalliance with singer Robert Fleischman (Channel, Vinnie Vincent Invasion), before Steve Perry was brought into the fold on their fourth album - and even then, Rollie was still handling a fair amount of lead vocals until he left the band. True, though, that the band did achieve their greatest success with Steve Perry. Generally, though, the main reason a band will stick with a name is for buisness purposes. It's much easier to sell a known entity, than it is to a new, unkown one. Right or wrong, there are plenty of people who will buy an album, or see a concert by a name they know, without even bothering to see if any of the band members have changed. That's at least what the labels are counting on, and many times (but not always) that's what they'll insist on. It can often decide on whether a band will get (or keep) a record deal, or not. With STP, I can almost guarantee that this is at least partially the case, and in all fairness, I can't say I entirely blame them for it. That said, I think Why So Blu? is onto something that would be more PC, with his suggestion they should refer to themselves as "STP with Chester Bennington". Forgot about Journey. But their pre-Perry music couldn't have been anymore different than the Peter Gabriel fronted Genesis was. Two very different incarnations even though they contained most of the same members. AC/DC only lasted 5 years from their first album to when Bon Scott died. They did very well for themselves making the perfect choice to replace him. Not much time difference and again...hit records and catchy songs go a long way. The problem with STP is that they have been off and on with Scott for 20+ years now. I have all their albums and was a huge fan right at the beginning when they were just being dismissed as a Pearl Jam rip-off (which I never understood then and still do not understand to this day). That being said, I could not name one of the other guys from STP. They may be great musicians and wrote all of the awesome STP music but Scott wrote the lyrics and has always been the face and voice of the band. Hell, in any interviews, Scott would always be the one talking and the other 3 just typically sat there barely adding any info. Whether they like it or not, STP isn't STP without Scott. But as I have said, a big catchy hit goes a long way. The problem is getting a big catchy hit in R'n'R in the current music climate is almost nearly impossible. Styx is a weird one. I won't even get into their wacky history but Tommy touring as Styx without Dennis DeYoung is bullshit. Chicago surprised everybody with several big hits right after Peter Cetera left. Sorry for the long post but I could talk about this dumb shit all day. Must be the old music store manager coming out in me. :lol: I miss getting stoned and talking about music. It was a fun job to have during college. |
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Originally Posted by brianluvdvd
(Post 11706627)
Good post. I did forget the big deal that came with DLR leaving/getting kicked out of VH. But that just goes to show you that having a hit record goes a long way with the public. Release a catchy song and the general public will forgive anything usually. "Why Can't This Be Love" is of my favorite VH songs and I was a big DLR fan at the time and thought VH wouldn't go anywhere when he left. But again, their first album was in 1978 and all the DLR shit hit the fan in 1985 so their weren't dealing with the massive amount of time that some of these groups deal with. But 1984 was a freaking huge record. I can't imagine the pressure Eddie probably felt when DLR departed.
Forgot about Journey. But their pre-Perry music couldn't have been anymore different than the Peter Gabriel fronted Genesis was. Two very different incarnations even though they contained most of the same members. AC/DC only lasted 5 years from their first album to when Bon Scott died. They did very well for themselves making the perfect choice to replace him. Not much time difference and again...hit records and catchy songs go a long way. The problem with STP is that they have been off and on with Scott for 20+ years now. I have all their albums and was a huge fan right at the beginning when they were just being dismissed as a Pearl Jam rip-off (which I never understood then and still do not understand to this day). That being said, I could not name one of the other guys from STP. They may be great musicians and wrote all of the awesome STP music but Scott wrote the lyrics and has always been the face and voice of the band. Hell, in any interviews, Scott would always be the one talking and the other 3 just typically sat there barely adding any info. Whether they like it or not, STP isn't STP without Scott. But as I have said, a big catchy hit goes a long way. The problem is getting a big catchy hit in R'n'R in the current music climate is almost nearly impossible. Styx is a weird one. I won't even get into their wacky history but Tommy touring as Styx without Dennis DeYoung is bullshit. Chicago surprised everybody with several big hits right after Peter Cetera left. Sorry for the long post but I could talk about this dumb shit all day. Must be the old music store manager coming out in me. :lol: I miss getting stoned and talking about music. It was a fun job to have during college. Especially that last part. As for myself, tough. I can remember a few instances where it was one, or both of the DeLeo brothers doing the talking. Especially since Robert (the bass player) was the primary songwriter in the band. In Dean's case, since I have always been impressed with his playing, I made sure I found out who he was. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I still consider him one of the most underrated guitarists to come out of the whole Rock scene in the last 20 odd years. Had a little STP listening marathon this morning, and I still stand by that comment. Oh, and I forgot about Styx, myself. At least with them, while Denis DeYoung may have been their featured lead singer, Tommy Shaw also contributed a fair amount of lead vocals to the band's hits, too, as well as the occasional song from James JY Young. I liked the one album they did in Glen Burtnik replaced Tommy Shaw, but haven't really heard anything they've done since Lawrence Gowen replaced DeYoung. |
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Slash and Duff McKagan joined Chester + STP last night for Mott The Hopple's "All The Young Dudes":
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It's official:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...ether-20130531 Stone Temple Pilots and Linkin Park frontman Chester Bennington first revealed their surprising collaboration recently at L.A. radio station KROQ's annual Weenie Roast show. Last night the two acts joined forces at the annual MAP/MusiCares Fund Benefit Concert in L.A., where Bennington was presented the Stevie Ray Vaughan Award for his dedication to MAP/MusiCares and helping other addicts with recovery. Before Bennington and STP took the stage, the group talked to Rolling Stone and revealed this is not just a musical fling. "When you get together and put a new piece in, there's a whole different energy. For us the creative juices have just been flowing – we've been writing, we have tons of great ideas," Bennington said. "Next week we're going back in the studio and hammering out some more music." Stone Temple Pilots Sue Scott Weiland But that does not mean there will be an album anytime soon, or any sort of fixed schedule: With Bennington still heavily involved in Linkin Park, he and STP will disseminate new music the way they did with their first track together, "Out of Time." "We don't have a label," he said. "Everything we're doing is on our own, so we're just taking it one track at a time. We would love to sit down and hammer out a record, but the reality is we're gonna make music, we're gonna make a lot of it, and we're gonna be in a position to release a single at a time, go out and really give people music the way they want to get it," he said. "It is a good position to be in, and for us, all we care about is going out, making the legacy as great as it needs to be, as great as people expect it to be, and coming out with new music that lives up to that standard." About the addition of Bennington, Dean DeLeo said, "It just came about very harmoniously. I don't want to use the 's' word – serendipitous – but it really was. Very natural." For Bennington, to play on this night not just with STP, but with his longtime friends Slash and Duff McKagan – who joined the group for a rousing singalong on the Mott the Hoople classic "All the Young Dudes" – was very special because of what MAP/MusiCares means to him. "The reason why I come and do the things I do for MusiCares is it's a program that helps people that really need the help. They go out and change people's lives, and they give them the support that they need," he said. "And if they had asked me to show up and just play the first song by myself like I did a couple of years ago, I would've done the same thing, and it wouldn't have mattered about the award or whatever." McKagan echoed the sentiment. "I've been here the last few years, and good for Chester. Chester is a big name. It draws a lot of people in, they're gonna pay the high dollars for a table, and that's what you want. You want to raise money for MusiCares – that's the most important thing." |
Re: Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
Originally Posted by mkdevo
(Post 11712541)
Slash and Duff McKagan joined Chester + STP last night for Mott The Hopple's "All The Young Dudes":
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Re: Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
According to some sleuthing by the folks over at Alternative Nation, Stone Temple Pilots will soon announce the search for a new lead singer. Following the death of former STP frontman Scott Weiland and the November 2015 departure of his touring replacement, Linkin Park’s Chester Bennington, the band has listed the following message on their homepage: LAUNCHING SOON: We’re updating our website and will be back up shortly. Feel free to browse music and merch with the link below…. Alternative Nation dug around the backend of the STP website and found information about the band’s search in the form of this message: 2016 marks a new year for Stone Temple Pilots… A year of hope, optimism, and most importantly, new music! We are immensely proud of all that we have been able to share with you over the years. Music, music, music. We very much want to continue doing that, but that’s going to take a little help from all of you. As you know, prior to the untimely passing of our brother in arms, Scott, we had been working with the incomparable Chester Bennington. What you also likely know is that having Chester front two bands of this size and scope was too much for one man to be able to do and so regretfully we had to move onto a new chapter together. This is where you come in… We are officially announcing that we are seeking a new vocalist to front Stone Temple Pilots. We’ve already heard from many talented people, but want to make this an opportunity for many more so we’ve set up a way for you to do just that. If you think you have what it takes to front this band, record with this band, and tour with this band, we would dig hearing from you. No one will ever “replace” Scott, that was never the intent. The intent is for Stone Temple Pilots to continue on, to evolve, and to do what we do… make music! We look forward to seeing you. Love, Robert, Eric, Dean The band’s also uploaded a new video to their YouTube channel with the title “STP Singer Submission,” which consists of its three remaining members — Dean and Robert DeLeo and Eric Kretz — jamming away, sans-vocals. That’s below. <iframe width="618" height="322" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DcHGtt170Bs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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They could always do a Rock Band: STP! It worked out so well for INXS and Supernova. -eek-
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Stone Temple Pilots are going to continue playing music under their moniker with a new lead singer following the death of Scott Weiland, though the surviving members of the band’s decision to do so is being met with some criticism. In an interview with 105.7 The Point yesterday, Dean and Robert DeLeo defended their decision to keep the STP name when a fan told them not to keep using the name of “Scott Weiland’s band.” “I kind of look at it this way. There were 3/4 of us that were responsible with Scott, making Stone Temple Pilots,” Robert DeLeo said, according to Alternative Nation. I see the point there on both comments, I do, I see the point,” Dean DeLeo added. “It’s interesting, because there’s people that say, ‘That was Scott’s band.’ Well I’m going to tell you something — If this was Scott’s band, it would have been run into the ground by 1998. It would have been over. That’s the way he lived his life. We’re talking about a guy that killed himself, unfortunately, the tragedy of that. Robert, Eric [Kretz], and I were the guys who managed through thick and thin to keep him together, he relied upon us, we relied upon him. He got farther, and farther away from this world, and there was no coming back man.” |
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STP Mark II :shrug:
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They've been performing as STP without Scott since 2013, why would they be expected to stop now? Scott's fans may not like it, but it's not the first time a band has continued after the death of a lead singer (in this case, one who wasn't even in the band when he died) and it won't be the last.
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What they're missing is that Weiland, like most lead singers, was the sound of the band. The entire backing group could be replaced and as long as Weiland was still singing few would probably care.
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The band has to face the music, so to speak, and change their name to something else when they find a new singer. It's going to feel like they are starting over, but the odds are against them that they could be successful as STP with another singer.
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I have no problem with their current plans, but I do agree they would probably be better off with a new name. Probably not enough people flocking to their tours based on the STP band name at this point.
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Now the scare quotes in the title of this thread make it seem like the rest of STP had Scott Weiland killed.
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Re: Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
Originally Posted by islandclaws
(Post 12720415)
What they're missing is that Weiland, like most lead singers, was the sound of the band. The entire backing group could be replaced and as long as Weiland was still singing few would probably care.
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Re: Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
Originally Posted by islandclaws
(Post 12720415)
What they're missing is that Weiland, like most lead singers, was the sound of the band. The entire backing group could be replaced and as long as Weiland was still singing few would probably care.
Originally Posted by DVD Josh
(Post 12720685)
You are out of your ever-loving mind. STP's songcraft is unique. Try playing their stuff on guitar and see for yourself.
I'll grant you, that by equal measure, the greater masses also don't seem as interested in the work the Deleo's and Kretz did outside of STP (Army Of Anyone), or even within them - as Talk Show was essentially STP with a different vocalist, and the EP they did with Chester Bennington didn't really take off, either. There's great music on all of those records, as well as on Weiland's solo albums, and the ones he made as part of Velvet Relover. Still, VR remains the only truly succeesful project any of the members of STP have had outside the band, and as I've also previously stated, that had more to do with the inclusion of former Guns N Roses members. Without that, those two records probably would have ended up commercial duds, too. I miss Weiland, may he rest in peace, and I wish the Deleos and Kretz nothing but the best. I'll give whatever they do the benefit of the doubt. Lord knows they'll need it, as it was the combination of those four combined that seemed the only winning one that worked. |
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They should stay together and keep making albums and touring. People will want to come out and hear those songs performed live. They're that good! Plus those 3 guys rock hard like it's nobody's business.
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Originally Posted by Ringmaster
(Post 12720433)
The band has to face the music, so to speak, and change their name to something else when they find a new singer. It's going to feel like they are starting over, but the odds are against them that they could be successful as STP with another singer.
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Yeah, I never get why people get hung up on the "band name".
Some will see "Gun's and Roses" with pretty much just Axl and peeps and be happy. Some will hold out and go nuts for an Axl and Slash version but missing some. Some will never take it unless the Appetite guys are together. Some bands (many) survive just fine with lineup changes to the name. I really don't care about the name personally. :shrug: I saw "Thin Lizzy" a few years ago performing their songs and only a couple of the guys were consistent, but hearing it and the stories they told was still a good chill. I have no problem with these guys keeping the STP name - I hope they can be successful. |
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Originally Posted by Supermallet
(Post 12722754)
I'm hard pressed to think of a band where one member, even the lead singer, died and the rest of the band said, "Well, the rest of us should keep making music together but under a different name." The fact is that STP is a brand, and that brand is more valuable than the individuals who make up the band. Would Back in Black have been as successful if AC/DC decided to change their name to the Brian Johnson Good Time Rock 'n' Roll Revue? I doubt it.
Nirvana-Foo Fighters RATM-Audioslave Mother Love Bone-Pearl Jam Minutemen-Firehose Plus, most of the time when the frontman dies bands usually break up. Queen Dio Motorhead The Doors Nirvana T Rex The Germs Its not often a band continues on full force after the passing of a frontman. ACDC Pink Floyd Alice In Chains Lynyrd Skynyrd Oh and Back In Black could have been call Johnny's Piss and Vinegar Factory and it still would have done gangbusters. Nothing was gonna stop that album. |
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Originally Posted by Chadm
(Post 12722776)
Joy Division-New Order
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AC/DC going on without Scott is in no way comparable to STP. AC/DC after Highway to Hell was at the top of their game. STP was not only on the decline, they had lost many of fans that loved the first few albums.
As I posted before, I don't care either way. But in this case, I don't think they would have enough additional fans at their show, because they kept their name, than they would if they had a awesome new album with a different singer. It's not like Weiland died right after Purple and going on as STP would be a no brainer. |
Re: Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
Originally Posted by Chadm
(Post 12722776)
Joy Division-New Order
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It would be stupid for the STP guys to change the band name.
Any new name will have almost zero marketability. Changing the band name would be like saying, "We want to fail, financially, with this band." Even with the STP name they'll only have limited appeal (theater sized draw), but under a new name, when most people wouldn't even know who was in the band (and damned few people actually pay attention to anything but band names anymore) - it would be a club level band. |
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A couple of things...
1) Weiland wasn't even the band at the time of his death. It's not like they're going on without him because he died - they went on without him beforehand. 2) Does no one here remember Talk Show? Exactly. EDIT: I see Rocketdog2000 mentioned them in the time between when I had this thought and got around to actually remembering the band name! rotfl |
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Maybe it's different in other areas, but suspect only a STP WITH Weiland could draw a theater size crowd. Without him they are looking at a big club or casino at best.
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Originally Posted by hdnmickey
(Post 12724175)
Maybe it's different in other areas, but suspect only a STP WITH Weiland could draw a theater size crowd. Without him they are looking at a big club or casino at best.
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Originally Posted by Obi-Wan Jabroni
(Post 12724230)
They could do a summer amphitheater tour if they were on a bill with other nostalgia acts from the 90's. It's not the most prestigious deal, but it's money. Might be all they're looking at.
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Three words: Back. In. Black.
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Originally Posted by emanon
(Post 12724131)
A couple of things...
1) Weiland wasn't even the band at the time of his death. It's not like they're going on without him because he died - they went on without him beforehand. 2) Does no one here remember Talk Show? Exactly. EDIT: I see Rocketdog2000 mentioned them in the time between when I had this thought and got around to actually remembering the band name! rotfl |
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
(Post 12725836)
I didn't know about Talk Show. I was a fan of Army of Anyone with Richard Patric of Filter. They were dope.
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Talk Show = STP + Freddie Mercury style vocals
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Originally Posted by Jack Straw
(Post 12734854)
Talk Show = STP + Freddie Mercury style vocals
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Too legit to quit it.
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STONE TEMPLE PILOTS will make their return to the live stage on Tuesday, November 14 at a special invitation-only concert for SiriusXM listeners at The Troubadour in West Hollywood, California. A special e-mail went out to select SiriusXM subscribers today offering "a limited number of complimentary tickets" for this event. Attendees will be chosen in a random drawing from all who RSVP by 12 p.m. PT on November 2 the end of the "Entry Period." The Troubadour concert will presumably mark one of the first STP performances with the band's new lead singer, whose identity has not yet been revealed. STONE TEMPLE PILOTS went through fifteen thousand submissions before finding the band's new frontman, nearly two years after the passing of original vocalist Scott Weiland and more than three months following the death of Weiland's replacement, Chester Bennington. STP has been without a vocalist since November 2015, when Bennington — who joined the group in early 2013 — departed to spend more time with his main band LINKIN PARK. Weiland, who reunited with the group in 2010 after an eight-year hiatus but was dismissed in 2013, died in December 2015 of a drug overdose while on a solo tour. STONE TEMPLE PILOTS guitarist Dean DeLeo and bassist Robert DeLeo spoke about the band's singer search during an interview with Seattle's Rock 98.9 radio station. "We had fifteen thousand submissions that the three of us personally went through; I mean, it was a big deal to go through all those submissions," Dean said. "And there were some great people. It was just a matter of trying to find someone who really had all we were requiring of someone." He continued: "It's, one, honoring the catalog and singing that to a point where it turns us on musically still. And then there's the part of writing new material and someone who could actually write lyrics and come up with melody and sing and knows how to use a microphone in the studio. It's a lot to ask of someone. And we're gonna do the best we can." STONE TEMPLE PILOTS revealed last month that they found "somebody that fits the bill" as the band's new lead singer, but did not announce who he or she was. Two of the names that have been widely circulated among fans are one-time "X Factor" contestant Jeff Gutt and Filipino vocalist John Borja. Gutt was rumored to have rehearsed with the group last May, while Borja recently applied for a U.S. work visa and has hinted at joining the band. During the Rock 98.9 interview, Robert dismissed Internet speculation about STONE TEMPLE PILOTS' new singer as "all rubbish," with Dean adding: "It's been an opportunity for some people to really do some inappropriate self-promotion, is what I should say, and that's really kind of out of line." STP last performed live, with Bennington on vocals, for a one-off reunion concert in California in March 2016. The DeLeo brothers are currently promoting the twenty-fifth anniversary expanded reissue of STP's debut album, "Core", which arrived on September 29 — twenty-five years to the day of the LP's original release. Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/sto...PMmTw0Gxb8o.99 |
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Originally Posted by emanon
(Post 12724562)
:thumbsup: "Quick - somebody get the phone! It's Candlebox, and Sublime w/Rome!"
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