Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
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They've been performing as STP without Scott since 2013, why would they be expected to stop now? Scott's fans may not like it, but it's not the first time a band has continued after the death of a lead singer (in this case, one who wasn't even in the band when he died) and it won't be the last.
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Re: Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
What they're missing is that Weiland, like most lead singers, was the sound of the band. The entire backing group could be replaced and as long as Weiland was still singing few would probably care.
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The band has to face the music, so to speak, and change their name to something else when they find a new singer. It's going to feel like they are starting over, but the odds are against them that they could be successful as STP with another singer.
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I have no problem with their current plans, but I do agree they would probably be better off with a new name. Probably not enough people flocking to their tours based on the STP band name at this point.
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I'll grant you, that by equal measure, the greater masses also don't seem as interested in the work the Deleo's and Kretz did outside of STP (Army Of Anyone), or even within them - as Talk Show was essentially STP with a different vocalist, and the EP they did with Chester Bennington didn't really take off, either. There's great music on all of those records, as well as on Weiland's solo albums, and the ones he made as part of Velvet Relover. Still, VR remains the only truly succeesful project any of the members of STP have had outside the band, and as I've also previously stated, that had more to do with the inclusion of former Guns N Roses members. Without that, those two records probably would have ended up commercial duds, too.
I miss Weiland, may he rest in peace, and I wish the Deleos and Kretz nothing but the best. I'll give whatever they do the benefit of the doubt. Lord knows they'll need it, as it was the combination of those four combined that seemed the only winning one that worked.
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They should stay together and keep making albums and touring. People will want to come out and hear those songs performed live. They're that good! Plus those 3 guys rock hard like it's nobody's business.
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I'm hard pressed to think of a band where one member, even the lead singer, died and the rest of the band said, "Well, the rest of us should keep making music together but under a different name." The fact is that STP is a brand, and that brand is more valuable than the individuals who make up the band. Would Back in Black have been as successful if AC/DC decided to change their name to the Brian Johnson Good Time Rock 'n' Roll Revue? I doubt it.
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Re: Stone Temple Pilots "fire" Scott Weiland
Yeah, I never get why people get hung up on the "band name".
Some will see "Gun's and Roses" with pretty much just Axl and peeps and be happy. Some will hold out and go nuts for an Axl and Slash version but missing some. Some will never take it unless the Appetite guys are together.
Some bands (many) survive just fine with lineup changes to the name. I really don't care about the name personally.
I saw "Thin Lizzy" a few years ago performing their songs and only a couple of the guys were consistent, but hearing it and the stories they told was still a good chill.
I have no problem with these guys keeping the STP name - I hope they can be successful.
Some will see "Gun's and Roses" with pretty much just Axl and peeps and be happy. Some will hold out and go nuts for an Axl and Slash version but missing some. Some will never take it unless the Appetite guys are together.
Some bands (many) survive just fine with lineup changes to the name. I really don't care about the name personally.
I saw "Thin Lizzy" a few years ago performing their songs and only a couple of the guys were consistent, but hearing it and the stories they told was still a good chill.
I have no problem with these guys keeping the STP name - I hope they can be successful.
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I'm hard pressed to think of a band where one member, even the lead singer, died and the rest of the band said, "Well, the rest of us should keep making music together but under a different name." The fact is that STP is a brand, and that brand is more valuable than the individuals who make up the band. Would Back in Black have been as successful if AC/DC decided to change their name to the Brian Johnson Good Time Rock 'n' Roll Revue? I doubt it.
Nirvana-Foo Fighters
RATM-Audioslave
Mother Love Bone-Pearl Jam
Minutemen-Firehose
Plus, most of the time when the frontman dies bands usually break up.
Queen
Dio
Motorhead
The Doors
Nirvana
T Rex
The Germs
Its not often a band continues on full force after the passing of a frontman.
ACDC
Pink Floyd
Alice In Chains
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Oh and Back In Black could have been call Johnny's Piss and Vinegar Factory and it still would have done gangbusters. Nothing was gonna stop that album.
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Really only the first example fits what Supermallet was asking for. Audioslave was a supergroup project (not to mention that Zack De La Rocha isn't dead), and the others were only 1 or 2 members of the first band forming a new band with 1 or more new guys, not the entire band just replacing the lead singer. Foo Fighters is Dave Grohl's project, and the last 2, while they were both influential and revered acts in their respective communities, neither Mother Love Bone nor the Minutemen were really commercially successful enough before the death of their lead singers that there would have been any benefit to retaining the name.
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AC/DC going on without Scott is in no way comparable to STP. AC/DC after Highway to Hell was at the top of their game. STP was not only on the decline, they had lost many of fans that loved the first few albums.
As I posted before, I don't care either way. But in this case, I don't think they would have enough additional fans at their show, because they kept their name, than they would if they had a awesome new album with a different singer. It's not like Weiland died right after Purple and going on as STP would be a no brainer.
As I posted before, I don't care either way. But in this case, I don't think they would have enough additional fans at their show, because they kept their name, than they would if they had a awesome new album with a different singer. It's not like Weiland died right after Purple and going on as STP would be a no brainer.
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It would be stupid for the STP guys to change the band name.
Any new name will have almost zero marketability. Changing the band name would be like saying, "We want to fail, financially, with this band."
Even with the STP name they'll only have limited appeal (theater sized draw), but under a new name, when most people wouldn't even know who was in the band (and damned few people actually pay attention to anything but band names anymore) - it would be a club level band.
Any new name will have almost zero marketability. Changing the band name would be like saying, "We want to fail, financially, with this band."
Even with the STP name they'll only have limited appeal (theater sized draw), but under a new name, when most people wouldn't even know who was in the band (and damned few people actually pay attention to anything but band names anymore) - it would be a club level band.
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A couple of things...
1) Weiland wasn't even the band at the time of his death. It's not like they're going on without him because he died - they went on without him beforehand.
2) Does no one here remember Talk Show? Exactly.
EDIT: I see Rocketdog2000 mentioned them in the time between when I had this thought and got around to actually remembering the band name!
1) Weiland wasn't even the band at the time of his death. It's not like they're going on without him because he died - they went on without him beforehand.
2) Does no one here remember Talk Show? Exactly.
EDIT: I see Rocketdog2000 mentioned them in the time between when I had this thought and got around to actually remembering the band name!
#67
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Maybe it's different in other areas, but suspect only a STP WITH Weiland could draw a theater size crowd. Without him they are looking at a big club or casino at best.
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They could do a summer amphitheater tour if they were on a bill with other nostalgia acts from the 90's. It's not the most prestigious deal, but it's money. Might be all they're looking at.
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A couple of things...
1) Weiland wasn't even the band at the time of his death. It's not like they're going on without him because he died - they went on without him beforehand.
2) Does no one here remember Talk Show? Exactly.
EDIT: I see Rocketdog2000 mentioned them in the time between when I had this thought and got around to actually remembering the band name!
1) Weiland wasn't even the band at the time of his death. It's not like they're going on without him because he died - they went on without him beforehand.
2) Does no one here remember Talk Show? Exactly.
EDIT: I see Rocketdog2000 mentioned them in the time between when I had this thought and got around to actually remembering the band name!
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Last edited by Rocketdog2000; 02-17-16 at 03:23 AM.