Hey, this is new! Amazon Cloud Player
03-30-11 | 01:24 PM
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It does suck, but it probably has to do with the licensing agreements in place. Amazon likely got new deals that says that they can use the files they already have stored for their MP3 store in conjunction with the Cloud Player service, for purchases going forward. This is why the purchases don't count towards you cloud drive total; because they aren't using up any additional space.
In comparison, Amazon doesn't have to right to apply this method to any past purchases that were under the old licensing agreement. This means the user has to upload the music to the storage, and Amazon has to store the music as separate "user files," thus taking up space they have to pull out of the user's quota.
In comparison, Amazon doesn't have to right to apply this method to any past purchases that were under the old licensing agreement. This means the user has to upload the music to the storage, and Amazon has to store the music as separate "user files," thus taking up space they have to pull out of the user's quota.
At the very least, previous MP3 customers should have gotten the upgrade 20GB.
03-30-11 | 01:45 PM
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Just a guess, but I'm betting it's an attempt to limit Amazon's liability if they lose after the music industry sues them. I think it's a foregone conclusion that someone will sue over it. It's too customer friendly for them not to.
03-30-11 | 02:42 PM
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03-30-11 | 03:01 PM
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Under the web interface i went to network and there was a buton that successfully did it.
03-30-11 | 03:01 PM
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Can you use Dynamic DNS instead of a static IP?
http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/
http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/
03-30-11 | 03:04 PM
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I had that checked initially with Port 80 and it worked for a while, then stopped. After doing a bit of research it was recommended to use Port 8080 instead and not have that option checked. I'll try checking it again and seeing if it changes anything, but when I checked various ports yesterday, they all appeared to be closed.
EDIT: Weird. I just tried it and it worked. But of course, as I said, I am now on Port 8080, not Port 80 as I was yesterday when it stopped working. I'll check back in a bit and see if that Port doesn't get closed after a while too. Thanks for the suggestion, hopefully it lasts.
03-30-11 | 03:20 PM
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You do NOT need a static IP on your home PC. I don't have one.
I do remember having trouble initially and having to create a second user account to use with Subsonic. Something about if you only have a single user account in Windows, it has trouble working for some reason. Your app essentially connects as the second user or something. I'll see if I can find it.
I do remember having trouble initially and having to create a second user account to use with Subsonic. Something about if you only have a single user account in Windows, it has trouble working for some reason. Your app essentially connects as the second user or something. I'll see if I can find it.
03-30-11 | 03:26 PM
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You do NOT need a static IP on your home PC. I don't have one.
I do remember having trouble initially and having to create a second user account to use with Subsonic. Something about if you only have a single user account in Windows, it has trouble working for some reason. Your app essentially connects as the second user or something. I'll see if I can find it.
I do remember having trouble initially and having to create a second user account to use with Subsonic. Something about if you only have a single user account in Windows, it has trouble working for some reason. Your app essentially connects as the second user or something. I'll see if I can find it.
03-30-11 | 04:11 PM
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Music labels lash out at Amazon's cloud service
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ente...d-service.html
Amazon is in a battle royale with music labels over its digital music locker service.
Launched on Monday, Amazon's Cloud Player is drawing criticism from record companies chagrined that the Seattle company did not secure music licenses from labels and publishers before releasing its service.
Sony Music Entertainment released a statement to Billboard magazine saying it was "disappointed" with Amazon's "unlicensed" service. Sony has hesitated to jump on board with so-called cloud services because of concerns about users uploading pirated songs to the lockers, along with legitimately purchased music, according to executives familiar with the negotiations.
On Tuesday, Amazon fired back that it didn't need licenses to launch its Cloud Player, which lets users upload songs and play the music from any Web browser or device that uses Google's Android operating system.
Because the files belong to users, Amazon isn't required to obtain licenses to be able to store them on its servers and make them accessible to users. But that requires users to upload their music, a process that could take hours if not days for large song collections.
Competing services such as Rdio, which has licenses from the major record labels for a locker service, scan a user's computer to take an inventory of songs on the hard disc drive, a process that takes minutes if not seconds, and instantly make those songs available to stream.
Amazon continues to negotiate with record labels for locker licenses, according to an executive with a major record label. But Amazon's preemptive strike in launching the service without those licenses have irked the record companies. One executive told Billboard that Amazon's service was "third-rate."
If this tune sounds familiar, it's a variation on another kerfuffle the online retailer had last year with book publishers. Amazon triggered an uproar last year by insisting that Kindle versions of new releases be sold at $9.99. Publishers rebelled, saying the low price cannibalizes sales of hardcover bestsellers, priced at $25 to $30. The upshot? Amazon caved in, allowing some publishers to set the retail prices for Kindle versions of their titles.
Can we all just get along?
-- Alex Pham
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ente...d-service.html
Amazon is in a battle royale with music labels over its digital music locker service.
Launched on Monday, Amazon's Cloud Player is drawing criticism from record companies chagrined that the Seattle company did not secure music licenses from labels and publishers before releasing its service.
Sony Music Entertainment released a statement to Billboard magazine saying it was "disappointed" with Amazon's "unlicensed" service. Sony has hesitated to jump on board with so-called cloud services because of concerns about users uploading pirated songs to the lockers, along with legitimately purchased music, according to executives familiar with the negotiations.
On Tuesday, Amazon fired back that it didn't need licenses to launch its Cloud Player, which lets users upload songs and play the music from any Web browser or device that uses Google's Android operating system.
Because the files belong to users, Amazon isn't required to obtain licenses to be able to store them on its servers and make them accessible to users. But that requires users to upload their music, a process that could take hours if not days for large song collections.
Competing services such as Rdio, which has licenses from the major record labels for a locker service, scan a user's computer to take an inventory of songs on the hard disc drive, a process that takes minutes if not seconds, and instantly make those songs available to stream.
Amazon continues to negotiate with record labels for locker licenses, according to an executive with a major record label. But Amazon's preemptive strike in launching the service without those licenses have irked the record companies. One executive told Billboard that Amazon's service was "third-rate."
If this tune sounds familiar, it's a variation on another kerfuffle the online retailer had last year with book publishers. Amazon triggered an uproar last year by insisting that Kindle versions of new releases be sold at $9.99. Publishers rebelled, saying the low price cannibalizes sales of hardcover bestsellers, priced at $25 to $30. The upshot? Amazon caved in, allowing some publishers to set the retail prices for Kindle versions of their titles.
Can we all just get along?
-- Alex Pham
03-30-11 | 04:51 PM
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What does amazon need to license? The users are uploading their own mp3's, it's just another convenient way to access music you've already purchased.
The consumers are going to lose.
The consumers are going to lose.
03-30-11 | 06:55 PM
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...and a few hours later I'm getting the same error message again.
EDIT: Working again, after about an hour. Wish I knew exactly what was going on.
EDIT: Working again, after about an hour. Wish I knew exactly what was going on.
Last edited by kstublen; 03-30-11 at 07:41 PM.
03-30-11 | 07:37 PM
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The industry doesn't like the fact that probably 98% of those files uploaded are going to be pirated and they really have no way of telling if they are or not. If there was DRM they could track it. They dont like not being in control
03-30-11 | 08:30 PM
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The industry hates that just because you bought the music, that you can actually listen to it more than once. They'd charge us by the listen if they really had their way. The RIAA is one of the absolute worst examples of, and one of the best arguments against, capitalism.
03-30-11 | 08:48 PM
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I want an answer as to why a CD I purchased in the early '90s was $13.99 and that same CD is $13.99 today. There is no reason why, in 10+ years the value of a CD shouldn't decrease.
03-30-11 | 10:14 PM
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I'm not sure if this is a serious question but I think you're lucky it stayed the same. Everything else went up. A quality piece of music is worth just as much today as when it was released. This doesn't apply to trendy hit pop CDs because their value is based in the moment. Timeless music however never loses value.
03-30-11 | 10:23 PM
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Not really. I mean, DVDs come out and then go on sale frequently and see accompanying price reductions. That never happens with CDs. The only sales are the first week and then during the awards season, but other than that stuff hardly ever goes on sale. It just doesn't make sense that a CD that has been out for years should stay the same as when it was initially released.
05-09-11 | 09:33 PM
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Figured this was an appropriate thread for this news, as it's in regard to Amazon's closest competitor in this field...
Apparently, Google is launching "Music Beta by Google" tomorrow at Google I/O. Users will need an invite to gain access for now. Speculation is that it will be much more generous than Amazon's offering and free during the beta period.
Apparently, Google is launching "Music Beta by Google" tomorrow at Google I/O. Users will need an invite to gain access for now. Speculation is that it will be much more generous than Amazon's offering and free during the beta period.
05-09-11 | 09:58 PM
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I'd definitely be interested in trying out Google's version. I've been enjoying Subsonic, but it's still sorta glitchy on my phone; it'll say Subsonic is running on my computer, but when I try to access it from my phone I get "a network error occured," even though I know my internet is working and Subsonic is active.
05-09-11 | 10:04 PM
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^ Have you tried Audiogalaxy? I use that for listening to my locally-stored music when I'm not at home. Seems to work pretty well, although I don't know how it compares to Subsonic, since I haven't used that one. As for Google, I don't really WANT to upload my entire music library to their servers. I can't imagine how long that would take...
05-09-11 | 10:15 PM
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^ Have you tried Audiogalaxy? I use that for listening to my locally-stored music when I'm not at home. Seems to work pretty well, although I don't know how it compares to Subsonic, since I haven't used that one. As for Google, I don't really WANT to upload my entire music library to their servers. I can't imagine how long that would take...
As for the Music Beta by Google, I imagine uploading music depends on how they set it up. When I did Audiogalaxy it took a while for the service to read all the music on my computer, but with Subsonic it happens nearly instantly. Not sure what the difference is between the two (not that tech savvy), but it might not take that long on Google.
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EDIT: I should clarify the lack of customization on Audiogalaxy. Right now I have incorrect and missing artwork, for example, and the only way that I can find to change it is to manually change the artwork on a given file's tag, which would prove very time-consuming and tedious.
Last edited by kstublen; 05-09-11 at 10:46 PM.
05-10-11 | 11:20 AM
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The site is now up and running: http://music.google.com/
They're currently accepting invite requests for Music Beta; it says "free for a limited time," but that could mean any number of things. I imagine they might start charging at some point in the future, but that they'll give you a certain amount of storage for free; one figure I saw mentioned was the first 20,000 songs are stored free, but that might have just been a rumor.
I imagine we'll have to wait a while for the invites to be sent out; I'm sure they've been inundated with requests. Right now though, you can download the Music Beta App from the Android Marketplace.
I'm hoping this is less glitchy than Subsonic (where it's hit or miss as to when my phone will connect to the server) and more customizable than Audiogalaxy (where it won't let me change incorrect artist information and album artwork).
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Here are the features they're advertising:
Listen anywhere, even offline.
You can get to your personal music collection at home or on the go. Listen from the web or any enabled device with the Music app available from Android Market. Not online? No problem. The songs you've recently played will automatically be available offline. You can also select the specific albums, artists and playlists you want to have available when you're not connected.
Stay in sync, without the hassle.
Spend more time listening to your music and less time managing it. Once your music is online, it's always available. Playlists are automatically kept in sync, and you don't have to worry about cables, file transfers, or running out of storage space.
Your collection, now in one place.
Upload your personal music collection to a single library, even if it's scattered across multiple computers. You can upload music files from any folder or add your iTunes library and all of your playlists. And when you add new music to your computer, it can be automatically added to your music collection online.
Mix it up.
Create your own custom playlists with just a few clicks. Or use Instant Mix to automatically build new playlists of songs from your collection that go great together. All the playlists you create and all the changes you make to them are automatically available everywhere your music is.
They're currently accepting invite requests for Music Beta; it says "free for a limited time," but that could mean any number of things. I imagine they might start charging at some point in the future, but that they'll give you a certain amount of storage for free; one figure I saw mentioned was the first 20,000 songs are stored free, but that might have just been a rumor.
I imagine we'll have to wait a while for the invites to be sent out; I'm sure they've been inundated with requests. Right now though, you can download the Music Beta App from the Android Marketplace.
I'm hoping this is less glitchy than Subsonic (where it's hit or miss as to when my phone will connect to the server) and more customizable than Audiogalaxy (where it won't let me change incorrect artist information and album artwork).
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Here are the features they're advertising:
Listen anywhere, even offline.
You can get to your personal music collection at home or on the go. Listen from the web or any enabled device with the Music app available from Android Market. Not online? No problem. The songs you've recently played will automatically be available offline. You can also select the specific albums, artists and playlists you want to have available when you're not connected.
Stay in sync, without the hassle.
Spend more time listening to your music and less time managing it. Once your music is online, it's always available. Playlists are automatically kept in sync, and you don't have to worry about cables, file transfers, or running out of storage space.
Your collection, now in one place.
Upload your personal music collection to a single library, even if it's scattered across multiple computers. You can upload music files from any folder or add your iTunes library and all of your playlists. And when you add new music to your computer, it can be automatically added to your music collection online.
Mix it up.
Create your own custom playlists with just a few clicks. Or use Instant Mix to automatically build new playlists of songs from your collection that go great together. All the playlists you create and all the changes you make to them are automatically available everywhere your music is.
Last edited by kstublen; 05-10-11 at 11:35 AM.
05-10-11 | 03:06 PM
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Yep, you can upload up to 20,000 songs free during the beta period. I'm always cautious about auto-generated playlists, since I've never found them to be very good in the past. It probably doesn't help that there are certain artists that may sound nearly identical, but I'll only like one and completely despise the other. I'm not big into playlists anyway, since I still prefer to listen to entire albums, but it seems like a great feature for the average user. I'm also curious what kind of metadata is retained and/or lost if you currently manage all your music with iTunes and you want to migrate to Google Music.
Personally, my locally-stored music equates to a very small fraction of my average daily music intake, so I'm not nearly as excited about this announcement as I would have been a year ago. It's good to know Google (and Amazon!) released something before Apple, though.
Personally, my locally-stored music equates to a very small fraction of my average daily music intake, so I'm not nearly as excited about this announcement as I would have been a year ago. It's good to know Google (and Amazon!) released something before Apple, though.
05-10-11 | 03:11 PM
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Did anyone mention you can access this through your ipad/iphone/ipod web browser now? It's supposed t o work fairly well.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/09/...compatibility/
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/09/...compatibility/
07-31-12 | 07:54 PM
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It got a big update today:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407908,00.asp
Amazon Cloud Player Gets 'Scan and Match' Technology
By Angela Moscaritolo
July 31, 2012 04:33pm EST
Amazon on Tuesday updated its Cloud Player platform with several new features, including an iTunes Match-like scan and match technology, which brings a "fast and easy way for customers to get their music from their computers to the cloud," the online retailer said.
The new scan and match technology essentially takes away the pain of having to upload every song in your entire music library one by one. Instead, Amazon will scan your iTunes and Windows Media Player libraries and match the songs on your computer with its catalog of 20 million tracks.
All the matched songs, including those purchased from iTunes or ripped from CDs, will be available in Cloud Player. As an added bonus, Amazon will upgrade them for free to high-quality 256 Kbps audio, regardless of the original bitrate. Plus, all Amazon MP3 purchases, including tracks consumers bought in the past, will be automatically saved to Cloud Player.
Amazon inked deals with four major record companies — Sony Music Entertainment, EMI Music, Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group — as well as more than 150 independent distributors, aggregators, and music publishers to make the new scan and match feature a reality.
"We are constantly striving to deliver the best possible customer experience for Cloud Player, and today we are offering our customers a significant set of new features, including scan and match technology and audio quality upgrade," Steve Boom, vice president of Digital Music at Amazon, said in a statement. "We are happy to have such broad industry support in enabling these features for customers."
Cloud Player is available in two flavors — free and premium. The free version lets you store all MP3s purchased from Amazon, plus up to 250 songs from your PC or Mac. Or, for $25 a year, you can nab a premium version, which offers storage for up to 250,000 songs. As with the free version, MP3s purchased from Amazon do not count against the premium song limit.
Amazon Cloud Player is accessible on the Kindle Fire, Android devices, the iPhone, iPod touch, or from any Web browser. Amazon promised it will soon be available on the Roku streaming media player and Sonos home entertainment system.
In other music-related news, Pandora's channel on Roku was updated on Monday with a "refreshed interface," and support for more than 275 genre stations from a new grid screen.
By Angela Moscaritolo
July 31, 2012 04:33pm EST
Amazon on Tuesday updated its Cloud Player platform with several new features, including an iTunes Match-like scan and match technology, which brings a "fast and easy way for customers to get their music from their computers to the cloud," the online retailer said.
The new scan and match technology essentially takes away the pain of having to upload every song in your entire music library one by one. Instead, Amazon will scan your iTunes and Windows Media Player libraries and match the songs on your computer with its catalog of 20 million tracks.
All the matched songs, including those purchased from iTunes or ripped from CDs, will be available in Cloud Player. As an added bonus, Amazon will upgrade them for free to high-quality 256 Kbps audio, regardless of the original bitrate. Plus, all Amazon MP3 purchases, including tracks consumers bought in the past, will be automatically saved to Cloud Player.
Amazon inked deals with four major record companies — Sony Music Entertainment, EMI Music, Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group — as well as more than 150 independent distributors, aggregators, and music publishers to make the new scan and match feature a reality.
"We are constantly striving to deliver the best possible customer experience for Cloud Player, and today we are offering our customers a significant set of new features, including scan and match technology and audio quality upgrade," Steve Boom, vice president of Digital Music at Amazon, said in a statement. "We are happy to have such broad industry support in enabling these features for customers."
Cloud Player is available in two flavors — free and premium. The free version lets you store all MP3s purchased from Amazon, plus up to 250 songs from your PC or Mac. Or, for $25 a year, you can nab a premium version, which offers storage for up to 250,000 songs. As with the free version, MP3s purchased from Amazon do not count against the premium song limit.
Amazon Cloud Player is accessible on the Kindle Fire, Android devices, the iPhone, iPod touch, or from any Web browser. Amazon promised it will soon be available on the Roku streaming media player and Sonos home entertainment system.
In other music-related news, Pandora's channel on Roku was updated on Monday with a "refreshed interface," and support for more than 275 genre stations from a new grid screen.
07-31-12 | 09:02 PM
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It should also be pointed out it's no longer going to be free. You will lose all the songs you uploaded to the Cloud (excluding those you've previously bought on Amazon) unless you pay $25/ yr for Premium service.
Sort of a good news/ bad news thing.
Sort of a good news/ bad news thing.