Weezer: Hurley - Sept. 14th
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I was thinking the same thing. Both albums combined are approx 75 minutes.
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I'm sure they would do all of blue & hits, then a night of all pinkerton & hits. Sure they could just piggyback them, but then they don't make as much cash. Regardless, if this happens anywhere within driving distance of me, I'm there for both nights.
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They could cover both albums and all the "Hits" most of the fans of the first two albums care about in under 2 hours. Doing two nights is a money grab.
Pinkerton is the hotter ticket. I'd imagine you hear a good chunk of the Blue Album at all Weezer shows.
Pinkerton is the hotter ticket. I'd imagine you hear a good chunk of the Blue Album at all Weezer shows.
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Internet Weezer fans completely baffle me. Especially the hate for everything except their first two or three albums. I don't see this huge disparity of quality they seem to. I really have no idea what they are looking for in each new record. I love Weezer, but I also understand that this stuff is just catchy white-boy nerd rock. The "banal" lyrics require a sense of humor to get I guess. You guys understand that right?
Maybe someone can explain it to me 'cause I sure as hell don't get it.
Maybe someone can explain it to me 'cause I sure as hell don't get it.
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Let me explain clearly. Their first two albums are MUCH better than everything that came afterward. Understand??
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Internet Weezer fans completely baffle me. Especially the hate for everything except their first two or three albums. I don't see this huge disparity of quality they seem to. I really have no idea what they are looking for in each new record. I love Weezer, but I also understand that this stuff is just catchy white-boy nerd rock. The "banal" lyrics require a sense of humor to get I guess. You guys understand that right?
Maybe someone can explain it to me 'cause I sure as hell don't get it.
Maybe someone can explain it to me 'cause I sure as hell don't get it.
To me, it just seems that Rivers could at least make his lyrics a little less corny. Weezer songs are not "novelty" songs, therefore we don't need "a sense of humor" in his songs. You listen to a song like "My Best Friend," and it's so corny that it's embarrassing to play.
I know that Pinkerton was a VERY personal album for Rivers, and I don't think he ever wants to wear his heart on his sleeve like that ever again, and maybe I don't blame him. But the music can be a return for the better. In 1996, the music was deemed "too rough" and "unpolished." By 2000, it was esteemed, and even Rolling Stone Magazine wrote a retraction on the album, for the better.
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Don't Rivers read reviews on his albums on, say, Amazon? If he did, he'd realize the "internet people" love Pinkerton more than any other album. Shouldn't Rivers, then, on reading such things, say "hey, my fans want another Pinkerton! I will do it for them!!"
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^If you are in a band and making music for someone else (and not yourself), you become Nickelback. If Rivers ever WANTS to make a record like Pinkerton again, I'm all for it. I certainly don't think Weezer should be FORCED into doing it just because internet fans prefer that style.
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I think it should be for both reasons: for the musician, and for the fans. I mean, if someone is doing music just for themselves, and nobody buys their albums and the musician is forced to get an office job in order to survive, then what's the point?
A musician can alternate, like Springsteen used to do. He made "The River," which was a commercial album, then he made "Nebraska," which was a personal album. Then, "Born in the U.S.A.".....
Weezer or anybody else can do that, too.
A musician can alternate, like Springsteen used to do. He made "The River," which was a commercial album, then he made "Nebraska," which was a personal album. Then, "Born in the U.S.A.".....
Weezer or anybody else can do that, too.
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For me, there are two tiers of Weezer albums. "Ok" and "really good". The distinction is purely in the ratio of catchy tunes per album. Blue, Pinkerton, Green, Red, and Raditute are all really good while Maldroit and Make Believe are merely OK.
I don't think Weezer have ever put out a bad album. I lot of people seem to find the lyrics "banal" or "embarrasing" but I think most of the time they are pretty good, often clever, and sometimes hilarious.
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I don't think Weezer have ever put out a bad album. I lot of people seem to find the lyrics "banal" or "embarrasing" but I think most of the time they are pretty good, often clever, and sometimes hilarious.
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I remember when The Blue Album came out. I was mesmerized. Every track was a gem, and I stayed up many a night listening to it. Pinkerton was a tougher nut to crack, but the album rewarded the repeated listens.
Then came the Green album. I felt like Weezer hadn't just taken a step backwards, but had actually stepped off a cliff. What the fuck was that shit? I checked out Maladroit and Make Believe and haven't bothered since then. I don't know if the band blew their wad on the first two albums or if they just don't care, but I haven't enjoyed them since Pinkerton, and that's just my genuine response to the music they release. It's like Rivers has become deathly afraid of saying anything that might mean anything to anyone, or even worse, is trying as hard as he can to say nothing at all. Silly songs about nothing worked for T. Rex, but Rivers isn't Marc Bolan and it doesn't work.
That being said, I'd be there with bells on for a Pinkerton + Hits show. And also kudos to them for making me laugh with their new album title and cover, because I know it's the only thing about it I will enjoy.
Then came the Green album. I felt like Weezer hadn't just taken a step backwards, but had actually stepped off a cliff. What the fuck was that shit? I checked out Maladroit and Make Believe and haven't bothered since then. I don't know if the band blew their wad on the first two albums or if they just don't care, but I haven't enjoyed them since Pinkerton, and that's just my genuine response to the music they release. It's like Rivers has become deathly afraid of saying anything that might mean anything to anyone, or even worse, is trying as hard as he can to say nothing at all. Silly songs about nothing worked for T. Rex, but Rivers isn't Marc Bolan and it doesn't work.
That being said, I'd be there with bells on for a Pinkerton + Hits show. And also kudos to them for making me laugh with their new album title and cover, because I know it's the only thing about it I will enjoy.
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To me The Blue Album and Pinkerton are great fun to listen to there's no doubt about it. They are just classics and always will be great fun to listen to and look back on.
The Green Album I felt was pretty good as well. A different album from Pinkerton and more of a return to style of The Blue Album except with less personal lyrics maybe but still not a bad album at all.
Maladroit is probably the album I've listened to the least from them but its not a bad album necessarily. I really need to get more familiar with it to make a better opinion though.
Make Believe I feel is by far the weakest effort that they've put out. A few good songs but overall I was pretty let down by it like most.
The Red Album I feel was a strong comeback. Maybe not the classic of The Blue Album or Pinkerton but still a good album in its own right. This one gets a lot of play from me still and I really enjoy The Greatest Man That Ever Lived.
Raditude to me while it gets hated on a lot for whatever reason is just a fun album. Its not trying to take itself overly serious and reminds me of a party type album from the 80s or something.
So overall I guess I've liked basically everything that Weezer has done over the years. Yeah some of their stuff isn't the best but for the most part its fun music to listen to. I know there will always be people who disagree and cling on to the first two albums and refuse any further output from the band, but personally I'm looking forward to Hurley and the future.
The Green Album I felt was pretty good as well. A different album from Pinkerton and more of a return to style of The Blue Album except with less personal lyrics maybe but still not a bad album at all.
Maladroit is probably the album I've listened to the least from them but its not a bad album necessarily. I really need to get more familiar with it to make a better opinion though.
Make Believe I feel is by far the weakest effort that they've put out. A few good songs but overall I was pretty let down by it like most.
The Red Album I feel was a strong comeback. Maybe not the classic of The Blue Album or Pinkerton but still a good album in its own right. This one gets a lot of play from me still and I really enjoy The Greatest Man That Ever Lived.
Raditude to me while it gets hated on a lot for whatever reason is just a fun album. Its not trying to take itself overly serious and reminds me of a party type album from the 80s or something.
So overall I guess I've liked basically everything that Weezer has done over the years. Yeah some of their stuff isn't the best but for the most part its fun music to listen to. I know there will always be people who disagree and cling on to the first two albums and refuse any further output from the band, but personally I'm looking forward to Hurley and the future.
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Wow. Hope they charge half price for their shows then especially with the bullshit that I hear goes on at their shows. Didn't they spend at least a portion of the Red tour changing up which instruments the band members were playing? C'mon. Do that bullshit in the studio or at a free concert in the park. I'm not looking to hear the replacement bassist sing Beverly Hills. Weezer is very lucky to have the fans they do. I'll always love the first two albums but the band can really go fuck themselves.
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Seriously? What the fuck? Do they just play The Blue Album, a few singles, and go home? Why is it that tons of older bands play for hours and hours (I think Lou Reed played for three hours when I saw him, and Rush for over 2), but a band that should be in their prime plays for an hour?
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They typically cram about 19-20 songs into about an hour long set. I saw them 8 years ago and it was a $25 face value ticket.
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I saw them in 2002 and they played around 22 songs, and it was not a long concert at all. A little over an hour probably.
that said, Maladroit gets a lot of shit, but there are a few tracks on there which I consider to be some of Weezer's strongest, like Death and Destruction, Take Control, and Slob. They just don't sit well next to some of the others though....
that said, Maladroit gets a lot of shit, but there are a few tracks on there which I consider to be some of Weezer's strongest, like Death and Destruction, Take Control, and Slob. They just don't sit well next to some of the others though....
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Weezer has short songs (hell, half their records clock in at 30 minutes) and even though they typically play for 75-90 minutes, you never leave feeling short changed. Their live show has evolved over the years and is now just a great energetic party. Seriously, I've seen some bands do 2 hour sets and you wish they had trimmed the set or didn't do an extended jam on half the songs to drag out the time - so I'll take 20 great songs packed into a shorter amount of time...
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Weezer has short songs (hell, half their records clock in at 30 minutes) and even though they typically play for 75-90 minutes, you never leave feeling short changed. Their live show has evolved over the years and is now just a great energetic party. Seriously, I've seen some bands do 2 hour sets and you wish they had trimmed the set or didn't do an extended jam on half the songs to drag out the time - so I'll take 20 great songs packed into a shorter amount of time...
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Is Weezer's Hurley just a ruse to sell some clothes?
By Sean O'Neal September 2, 2010
When Weezer first announced that it would name its next album Hurley, then provided its own punchline by unveiling its Jorge Garcia-laden cover, reaction ranged from general bemusement to the usual scoffing at a once-likably-dorky band that had become consumed by its own shtick. But over the last couple of weeks, those emotions have been slowly replaced by white-hot Internet rage after guitarist Brian Bell seemingly admitted that the Lost connection was made after-the-fact, and that the real reason the album was titled Hurley was because its production had been funded by the Hurley clothing company.
As you might expect, this revelation caused all sorts of problems: Even for a group who name-checks Best Buy in its singles, admitting that your album was funded by and named in honor of a corporate interest will almost always cause critics to call your integrity into question, even if you’re doing it in a “post-modernistic” way, as Bell awkwardly suggests. Naturally, someone at Weezer HQ asked Bell to “clear something up” by issuing this retraction:
“Recently I did an interview in Denver where I was asked why we called the album Hurley. I mistakenly said that Hurley funded the album. I later found out that it wasn’t true at all. Weezer paid for every penny of this recording. The reason the record is called “Hurley” is because Hurley (Jorge Garcia) is on the cover. We thought about leaving the record untitled for the fourth time, but that causes a lot of problems and he knew people would end up calling the record “Hurley” anyway. We got no money for calling the record “Hurley.” thanks folks, Brian”
So that should assuage any doubts, right? Except then there’s this “Hurley Rocks You Back To School” line of Weezer-branded clothes co-created with the band, which kinda lends credence to the idea that the album is just the most visible aspect of a multifaceted marketing campaign, a grimly necessary widget in a larger overall synergistic strategy. But hey, that would be a cynical point of view. Certainly Ryan Hurley, VP of Men’s Design for Hurley, can explain the inspiration for the campaign in such a way that doesn’t make it sound like the whole endeavor is more artless artifice cobbled together solely to move some product?
"Certain words come to mind when I think of Weezer ... youth, innovative, creative, inclusive, classic, and fresh. These are the very principles that the Hurley brand was founded on. Weezer's core values parallel Hurley's bloodlines and brand truths. It seemed like a no brainer to join minds, and embrace these values together. Designing this collection with the design team came naturally. We love the band, their vibe, and their fans. Aren't we all Weezer fans?"
Indeed, aren’t we all Weezer fans? And isn’t the best way to show that we’re fans to really embrace their “core values” by buying as much of Hurley’s “brand truths” as possible? It seems like a no-brainer.
Oh, we kid Ryan Hurley, VP of Men’s Design for Hurley, only because he talks in marketing buzz words and thus sounds like kind of a dick. But just in case you’re still not convinced that Weezer hasn’t “sold out,” the band addressed those concerns in a recent video interview, once more insisting that the album is named for the Lost character and not for the company that gave them money and merchandise. The mutually beneficial promotion is thus merely happy serendipity, especially now that everybody found out.
By Sean O'Neal September 2, 2010
When Weezer first announced that it would name its next album Hurley, then provided its own punchline by unveiling its Jorge Garcia-laden cover, reaction ranged from general bemusement to the usual scoffing at a once-likably-dorky band that had become consumed by its own shtick. But over the last couple of weeks, those emotions have been slowly replaced by white-hot Internet rage after guitarist Brian Bell seemingly admitted that the Lost connection was made after-the-fact, and that the real reason the album was titled Hurley was because its production had been funded by the Hurley clothing company.
As you might expect, this revelation caused all sorts of problems: Even for a group who name-checks Best Buy in its singles, admitting that your album was funded by and named in honor of a corporate interest will almost always cause critics to call your integrity into question, even if you’re doing it in a “post-modernistic” way, as Bell awkwardly suggests. Naturally, someone at Weezer HQ asked Bell to “clear something up” by issuing this retraction:
“Recently I did an interview in Denver where I was asked why we called the album Hurley. I mistakenly said that Hurley funded the album. I later found out that it wasn’t true at all. Weezer paid for every penny of this recording. The reason the record is called “Hurley” is because Hurley (Jorge Garcia) is on the cover. We thought about leaving the record untitled for the fourth time, but that causes a lot of problems and he knew people would end up calling the record “Hurley” anyway. We got no money for calling the record “Hurley.” thanks folks, Brian”
So that should assuage any doubts, right? Except then there’s this “Hurley Rocks You Back To School” line of Weezer-branded clothes co-created with the band, which kinda lends credence to the idea that the album is just the most visible aspect of a multifaceted marketing campaign, a grimly necessary widget in a larger overall synergistic strategy. But hey, that would be a cynical point of view. Certainly Ryan Hurley, VP of Men’s Design for Hurley, can explain the inspiration for the campaign in such a way that doesn’t make it sound like the whole endeavor is more artless artifice cobbled together solely to move some product?
"Certain words come to mind when I think of Weezer ... youth, innovative, creative, inclusive, classic, and fresh. These are the very principles that the Hurley brand was founded on. Weezer's core values parallel Hurley's bloodlines and brand truths. It seemed like a no brainer to join minds, and embrace these values together. Designing this collection with the design team came naturally. We love the band, their vibe, and their fans. Aren't we all Weezer fans?"
Indeed, aren’t we all Weezer fans? And isn’t the best way to show that we’re fans to really embrace their “core values” by buying as much of Hurley’s “brand truths” as possible? It seems like a no-brainer.
Oh, we kid Ryan Hurley, VP of Men’s Design for Hurley, only because he talks in marketing buzz words and thus sounds like kind of a dick. But just in case you’re still not convinced that Weezer hasn’t “sold out,” the band addressed those concerns in a recent video interview, once more insisting that the album is named for the Lost character and not for the company that gave them money and merchandise. The mutually beneficial promotion is thus merely happy serendipity, especially now that everybody found out.