Not that it's going to settle any debate here, but I find that Phil Collins-era Genesis is very soothing for baby boys undergoing circumcision in my office. Had a little guy today screaming his head off. Thought of this thread and took out my iphone clone. Popped on a little Land Of Confusion, Tonight Tonight and In Too Deep (cue ironic song-title joke there), and that guy went into a contented restful trance while terrible things happened down below. If that's not a ringing endorsement of Phil, I don't know what is.

Very interesting videos.

Unrelated to the music - I was just browsing Gabriel's Wiki entry. I figured he was older than he is (59) due to his apperance. That said I can't belive he just had another kid last year.

Gabriel all the way. 3 is by far one of the best albums ever, period.

If Phil had done an album that was all in vein of "In the Air Tonight", the question would be tougher for me to answer.

Makes sense. I feel rather emasculated when I listen to Phil Collins as well.

Peter Gabriel is waaay better than Phil Collins. Shock the Monkey or Sledgehammer vs Sususudio is no contest.

I remember hearing some quote about Phil Collins years ago, "He could have been a John Lennon, but instead he chose to be a Paul McCartney." I think that accurately sums up the direction his career went after the promise of Face Value.

I worked in a import CD store in Kansas City back in 1989. The owner was friends with Phil Collins and ran his fan club. I got to go through bags of letters and do data entry on the return addresses. Phil called one time and I didn't want to answer the phone and asked another employee to do it. There went my brush with the mild one.

Personal preference leans towards Mr. Gabriel.

I've recently picked up the Genesis 1970-1975 and 1976-1982 box sets, and listening to the albums back-to-back really makes it clear how much more of an expressive singer and showman Peter Gabriel is versus Phil Collins. Listen to the more dramatic Gabriel-era Genesis songs, such as The Musical Box or Supper's Ready, and then contrast those with Eleventh Earl of Mar or Dance On A Volcano, and it's no contest. Of course, Collins found more of his own voice starting on Duke, but even so. Listening to later tracks like Abacab, he's got some force in his voice, but nothing like the expressive nature of Gabriel's contemporary work. Listen to I Don't Remember or Family Snapshot from PG3 and compare that to Collins' voice work on Duke and Abacab. Not even close.

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Oh, I thought we were just blurting out random 70's prog band names,

Peter Gabriel, in my opinion.

Anyone else finding it impossible to hear the opening bars of "Solsbury Hill" without thinking of this trailer:

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Phil!

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King Crimson drummer Bill Bruford played with Genesis in the 70's when Phil took over on lead vocals. Now that would have been a show to see. While Phil was definitely no slouch on the drums, Bruford is maybe the greatest rock drummer of all time.

Peter Gabriel is an amazing artist who has been highly influential in a number of areas, including videos and multimedia, getting exposure for world music artists and staging benefit concerts for a variety of causes, superlative soundtrack work and digital recording technology.

Phil Collins was an above average drummer that had some catchy hits in the 80s.

What do you say when you meet an above average drummer?

I have to admit I don't even see Bruford as a rock drummer. He's a phenomenal player, but his style has always seemed a lot more jazz-fusion to me (at least on the Yes stuff). Alan White on the other hand gave Yes a lot more of a rock-feel in the rhythm section IMO.

Speaking of Bruford, anytime I think of him I think of that Evening Of Yes Music show with ABWH where he's playing his electronic drums behind the kit with his back to crowd. He's wearing something like an Asian-style outfit and shaking his butt. Always cracks me up. Yes - possibly the ugliest band ever!

I'd say his work with Yes was probably the most rock that he ever got, his stuff with King Crimson can get way way out there.

Alan White always seemed so bland in comparison to Bruford. Listen to the drum fill near the opening of the first track of Tales From Topographic Oceans. It's so lethargic and it almost sounds like White is stumbling over his kit. Bruford would have filled that space with something provocative and interesting.

No argument there - Bruford by far was better drummer for Yes. But how would Bruford have tackled the epic "Love Will Find A Way"?

Yeah, really.

I interviewed him when I was a college kid (dude acted like a know-it-all):
http://www.elephant-talk.com/wiki/In..._in_The_Beacon

I held Peter Gabriel's tea while he signed some autographs on paper plates backstage during the Up tour for some annoying Brazilian girls. I couldn't say anything! He's like my favorite artist after David Bowie. I got there thanks to Tony Levin who I interviewed before that. OK, here's that:
http://indieethos.wordpress.com/2010...peter-gabriel/

Still can't figure DVDTALK members how they like everything dark but INDIANA JONES & THE TEMPLE OF DOOM.

i have no idea why i posted this. im a big king crimson fan but this doesnt make sense. i must have been drunk and thought i had typed more lol.

Could we merge this thread with the more recent one?

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/music-talk/...r-gabriel.html