If what people here say is true, and he has made the same/similar point five or six times, perhaps he is somewhat lacking in originality....?

I can't argue with that. That's why I like the Eminem Show so much. Outside of Without Me, the album was very personal and showed much growth. But he keeps harping on the same old people. Ass Like That just catches the rest of them in a net that he hasn't gotten to yet.

I honestly believe this album isn't "real", at least, not what he really wanted to release. I am curious if he thinks that he can release an album of fart jokes (ala John Lennon) and see if people will buy it just because his name is attached, although Mosh is a tremendous song with a powerful message. But if you listen to the bonus CD, which were songs from the previous scrapped album, they sounded like a natural progression from the previous album. I'd love to hear that album in it's entirety one day.

I will not stand for this,and Christopher Reeves will not sit for this ether.

the one thing he does have is originality - he does tend to repeat a few things though. but overall his lyrics and the way he puts them together are unmatched by ANYONE.

Armchair psychology:

Reeve was a genuinely heroic, roundly admired person, something Eminidiot, or whomever the hell this concerns, craves but will never achieve. The most cowardly way to confront your deficiencies is to ridicule someone who embodies all you want to be.

I don't mean to be rude to you, but this is probably one of the more misguided criticisms of Em I've ever read. I'd argue that he's already admired, and proof positive of that is the millions of records he's sold and millions of dollars he has. He has never sought widespread acceptance of his art, and never will. And I *really* doubt Em sees Reeves like that. As I said, more than likely, he feels he's a hypocrite, however justified that is. But we can agree to disagree.

Alright, can I say it again. It is REEVE, not Reeves.

Oh, i'd beg to differ on this. Though, we'll never know the true answer.

Umm...ok, thanks for speaking for him. I think anyone who'll go on a turd of a show like TRL multiple times does kinda seek widespread acceptance. And why is the first single off each of his albums some type of catchy joke song, instead of one of the more serious ones? He wants to sell records, because then it's more money in the bank, so in a way I think he does want massive popularity. It's hard to say either way by now, since he's already got it. He doesn't have to shill on TRL anymore, because by now he has power and millions of loyal followers (a lot who are kids) who'll buy anything he puts out. But even so, I seriously doubt he'd put out a studio album without the celeb bashing novelty pop song as the leadoff "hit". I really liked "Lose Yourself" and 8 Mile, but his other albums have really been a mixed bag and Encore was a real disappointment for me.

Sure he has fans who "admire" him, but unlike someone like Christopther Reeve, I think a lot of people admire Em for the wrong reasons. I try to look past some of the content of his more juvenile stuff because like I said I think he's got talent. But what I may like about him is probably entirely different than some of his fans worship him for. I can bet the majority of his teenage fanboys anticipate the more controversial, hateful, homophobic, and mysogenistic lyrics of his more than they do his politics on George Bush or the more mature songs.

As far as the whole "Reeve is a selfish hypocrite for raising money for his disabililty", that's lame and I'm sick of hearing it. No human alive is going to give to every charity known to man, and just because you're "famous" and have money it's no different. It's not wrong that, after he became paralyzed, instead of wanting to kill himself or become a vegetable, he decided to try and get out in public to raise awareness for his injury (and spinal cord research in general) so hopefully he and everyone else suffering can be helped by the technological advances. Was he expected to start campaigning for breast cancer or something instead? Gimme a break. If Eminem had suffered a similar accident (ok, i doubt he rides horses, but say a car accident), why would anyone bash him if he now all of a sudden cared about car safety and maybe did a PSA about it? I know that, with all the news on Chris and his efforts to get public attention on stem cell research, I became more interested in it, and I'm not directly affected by spinal cord injuries in any way. Just because he probably didn't think much about the issue before he became directly affected by it (face it, the majority of people have other things to think about), why should he be condemned when he now wants to do something about it? Some people want to find the negative in everything, and I feel sorry for them.

I also feel sorry for people who read my long ass posts. I can't ever seem to condense what I want to say. Oh well, I'm a female who likes to talk...deal with it At least I separate the paragraphs.

I'm not speaking for him - I'm paraphrasing things he's said in interviews and the like. Also, every one of his big "hit" songs were the LAST songs written and recorded for the record. That's sort of the point, and that's why they are so controversial. It's sort of like - "f you label, if you want a teenybopper hit single, here it is". He's still an employee of the record label, and still has to answer to someone to get his work released. Without those songs, we don't get to hear the others.

Understand about TRL and the like - that's what people watch. He needs to go on that crap so his fans can even see him. I'm sure he wishes that there was a more pure forum, but there isn't.

I think his first three albums are genius (save the first singles). The Way Am I is probably the most personal song ever released. You can hear his frustration and anger in the song. Sing for the Moment is another one, very personal. Most rappers talk about ass and bling, Em talks about himself and his thoughts and feelings. I appreciate that. I think DMX has said "what" about as many times as I care to hear it.

so what are the exact lyrics anyway?

Puhleeze. If he truly "never sought widespread acceptance of his art" he simply wouldn't do these shows. You don't see Tom Waits chatting it up with Carson Daly.

Horses are for glue and dogfood. A horse killed Superman. I don't like horses.

And that's why no one knows who he is. You can't communicate your art if no one knows or cares about you. Obscurity is pretty useless if you are an artist.

nor I, I agree with you 100%.

LMAO! And that's why Tom Waits' concerts sell out in mere minutes.

Eminem is many things, but original, inventive, and skillful lyricist aren't among them. More like publicity seeking, whiny media whore.

His lyrics can easily be blown away by any of the underground rappers like MF Doom and Beans who you never hear of because they don't care to play the media game.

There's more to music than what's paraded on the cover of Entertainment Weekly. Expand your horizons.

Oh I've heard of Tom Waits. And I dont' care for him. And let's not be silly and think the same thing doesn't apply to Em's concert. As for not being original, inventive and skillful, that's just silly. I listen to plenty of non-mainstream stuff. Just because I like mainstream artists doesn't mean Doom or Beans.

The Farrelly Brothers use handicapped people in their movies to get laughs. But they don't mock or make fun of handicapped people.

In fact, if you watch one, you'll notice that the people who do mock or make fun of the handicapped always get what's coming to them.

I don't know about that first part. As for the second, I guess we'll see if the same bears true for Eminem.

In addition, the Farrellys work with people with disabilities. Their recent films have closed with footage of the real people they have become friends with through their charity work over the years.

LOL

Some people have asked me why I hate J-ho, Elvis and punk/alternative rock. I never have a good answer, I guess it's just because I do. And I figure it's the same thing for Marshall.

Chris-stiff-pher Reeves won't sit for this neither
And let's clear this up too I aint got no beef with him either
He used to be like a hero to me


eminem says stuff about him because he was superman and eminem wanted grow up to be superman because he was his hero

he aint got no beef with him at all

thanks for clearing that up....over 5 years later

I guess the "because he's the opposite of Christopher Walken" comment is a little late.