Evanescence...no more?
11-06-03 | 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by edclem
I thought Bowie offered SRV a spot on the tour after he appeared on the one album, but SRV's own band was beginning to take off at the time, so he declined.
but, i could be wrong.
I thought Bowie offered SRV a spot on the tour after he appeared on the one album, but SRV's own band was beginning to take off at the time, so he declined.
but, i could be wrong.
11-10-03 | 07:27 PM
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Saw the vid for My Immortal. It's very beautiful. The song is somewhat different. It's pretty much the same up until the final chorus. That's when some drums & guitars kick up briefly.
BTW...Amy looks
in it..
BTW...Amy looks
in it..
11-11-03 | 08:00 PM
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They're a pretty weird band (people not music). There was a lot of controversary about their religious beliefs. Amy and Ben are supposedly Christians. I think Ben even thanks Jesus in the linear notes. They even toured with a lot of Christian bands early in their career.
After this album came out, the album was being sold in Christian book stores, played on Christian stations, and they were often mentioned in Christian magazines. Apparently, they didn't like the attention from the "Christian subculture." They asked that their CDs be removed from Christian bookstores, their songs stop being played on Christian radio stations, and they refused to give interviews to Christian magazines/publications.
Many Christians started feeling that they were more concerned with their success than their faith.
I don't know if they ever gave a real answer for why they did what they did... other than they are not a "Christian band" even if they themselves are Christian. But, my question is... Why wouldn't you want your music available in Christian bookstores, radio stations, etc.
They're a pretty weird band (people not music). There was a lot of controversary about their religious beliefs. Amy and Ben are supposedly Christians. I think Ben even thanks Jesus in the linear notes. They even toured with a lot of Christian bands early in their career.
After this album came out, the album was being sold in Christian book stores, played on Christian stations, and they were often mentioned in Christian magazines. Apparently, they didn't like the attention from the "Christian subculture." They asked that their CDs be removed from Christian bookstores, their songs stop being played on Christian radio stations, and they refused to give interviews to Christian magazines/publications.
Many Christians started feeling that they were more concerned with their success than their faith.
I don't know if they ever gave a real answer for why they did what they did... other than they are not a "Christian band" even if they themselves are Christian. But, my question is... Why wouldn't you want your music available in Christian bookstores, radio stations, etc.
http://www.ccmmagazine.com/MusicNews...ory.asp?Id=949
Evanescence Boldly Proclaims They Aren’t A Christian Band In Recent Entertainment Weekly Article; Several Christian Bookstores Pull Records From Their Shelves
By Christa Farris
In the April 18 issue of Entertainment Weekly, a feature article on Evanescence has lead singer Amy Lee denying any Christian roots in the band’s debut Fallen . Lee says, "There are people hell-bent on the idea that we’re a Christian band in disguise, and that we have some secret message. We have no spiritual affiliation with this music. It’s simply about life experience."
Signed to Wind-up Records along with other spiritually inclined acts like Creed and 12 Stones, the band’s first single "Bring Me to Life" was prominently featured on the recent Ben Affleck movie "Daredevil" and also performed well on Christian radio. Ben Moody, Lee’s musical companion in the group, questions that chart placement adamantly in the article. "We’re actually high on the Christian charts," says Moody, "and I’m like, what the (expletive deleted-he said "f@@@") are we even doing there?"
The story says that "the perception hardly came out of nowhere; Lee and Moody discussed their faith in some early, pre-Fallen interviews, which they now count as youthful indiscretions."
Lee elaborates, "I guarantee that if the Christian bookstore owners listened to some of those songs, they wouldn’t sell the CD." The writer of the article then suggested that after the interview, that may no longer be a problem. "Thank you," Lee said in response.
With our goal at CCM Magazine and CCMmagazine.com of promoting "faith in the spotlight," we wanted to make our readers aware of this fact and also say that we’ll be pulling Evanescence advertising from future issues of our publication. Also, in our upcoming May issue, which went to press far before this issue was brought to our attention, we listed "the buzz on Evansecence" as "Now" on "The It List" on our From the Editor page. Please disregard this endorsement and our review of the CD that’s listed in our "In Review" section. We apologize for any confusion this may provide and don’t want to provide an endorsement for the band or its message.
By Christa Farris
In the April 18 issue of Entertainment Weekly, a feature article on Evanescence has lead singer Amy Lee denying any Christian roots in the band’s debut Fallen . Lee says, "There are people hell-bent on the idea that we’re a Christian band in disguise, and that we have some secret message. We have no spiritual affiliation with this music. It’s simply about life experience."
Signed to Wind-up Records along with other spiritually inclined acts like Creed and 12 Stones, the band’s first single "Bring Me to Life" was prominently featured on the recent Ben Affleck movie "Daredevil" and also performed well on Christian radio. Ben Moody, Lee’s musical companion in the group, questions that chart placement adamantly in the article. "We’re actually high on the Christian charts," says Moody, "and I’m like, what the (expletive deleted-he said "f@@@") are we even doing there?"
The story says that "the perception hardly came out of nowhere; Lee and Moody discussed their faith in some early, pre-Fallen interviews, which they now count as youthful indiscretions."
Lee elaborates, "I guarantee that if the Christian bookstore owners listened to some of those songs, they wouldn’t sell the CD." The writer of the article then suggested that after the interview, that may no longer be a problem. "Thank you," Lee said in response.
With our goal at CCM Magazine and CCMmagazine.com of promoting "faith in the spotlight," we wanted to make our readers aware of this fact and also say that we’ll be pulling Evanescence advertising from future issues of our publication. Also, in our upcoming May issue, which went to press far before this issue was brought to our attention, we listed "the buzz on Evansecence" as "Now" on "The It List" on our From the Editor page. Please disregard this endorsement and our review of the CD that’s listed in our "In Review" section. We apologize for any confusion this may provide and don’t want to provide an endorsement for the band or its message.
11-12-03 | 01:58 AM
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did they really come out and say they were "Christian"..? or did "Christians" just assume they were?
11-12-03 | 08:52 AM
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Glad I got a signed album with all the original members before now.
I had the pleasure of getting to see them do a free acoustical performance at a Tower Records store in my former neighborhood, and I can say in all honesty that Amy Lee not only has a beautiful voice, but she is even more gorgeous in person than in pics. It helps that she wasn't all Goth at the performance either, as she appears in some of the album pics.
I had the pleasure of getting to see them do a free acoustical performance at a Tower Records store in my former neighborhood, and I can say in all honesty that Amy Lee not only has a beautiful voice, but she is even more gorgeous in person than in pics. It helps that she wasn't all Goth at the performance either, as she appears in some of the album pics.
11-12-03 | 12:23 PM
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While we're all picking on Evanescence, does anybody know what this is all about?
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/evanescence/you.html
The lyrics aren't hard to find, but I was wondering what the fuss was all about? Also couldn't find the request on their website.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/evanescence/you.html
"You"
these lyrics were removed
At request of the band Evanescence and lead singer Amy Lee,
all websites containing the lyrics or mp3 to the song "You"
are supposed to remove said lyrics or mp3s immediately.
The song was never supposed to be released,
it was a personal song dedicated to her friends and family...
The band has made many announcements on their official site
to please stop circulation of said song.
these lyrics were removed
At request of the band Evanescence and lead singer Amy Lee,
all websites containing the lyrics or mp3 to the song "You"
are supposed to remove said lyrics or mp3s immediately.
The song was never supposed to be released,
it was a personal song dedicated to her friends and family...
The band has made many announcements on their official site
to please stop circulation of said song.
11-12-03 | 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rogue588
did they really come out and say they were "Christian"..? or did "Christians" just assume they were?
did they really come out and say they were "Christian"..? or did "Christians" just assume they were?
Also, they oftened toured with Christian bands in the past (prior to their success).
And it's easy see why people can think the lyrics for Bring Me To Life might be a spiritual reference.
But I could care less whether they're a Christian band or not, I just thought they made a strange choice in asking their music to be removed from Christian book stores and radio stations. Why would you do that?
I don't know that Lifehouse ever came out and said they were a Christian band, yet their music is played on Christian radio.
11-12-03 | 01:58 PM
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I didn't want to start this argument after your first post, but since you're harping on it ... I was always under the impression that the label and stores pulled the stuff, not some demand from the band. They got a bunch of press for being a Christian Band, and when asked about it in an interview they said something to the effect of, "we're Christians, but we're not a 'Christian Band.' I don't know what the **** we're doing on Christian charts." After those comments, the Christian publications and stores subsequently yanked their stuff.
Unless there's more to the story than that, there's nothing "odd" about it. If anything, it's the Christian publications who acted stragely, going out of their way to try and blacklist the band after those comments.
das
Unless there's more to the story than that, there's nothing "odd" about it. If anything, it's the Christian publications who acted stragely, going out of their way to try and blacklist the band after those comments.
das
11-12-03 | 02:33 PM
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11-12-03 | 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by das Monkey
I didn't want to start this argument after your first post, but since you're harping on it
I didn't want to start this argument after your first post, but since you're harping on it
Harping on it? I simply responded to someone else's post about the subject. What does that make.... 2 posts?
... I was always under the impression that the label and stores pulled the stuff, not some demand from the band.
I read differently and the article ctyner posted didn't really make it clear to me. Other articles I read made it sound like the band asked their stuff to be pulled from the shelves. I know they refused to give interviews to Christian magazines... such as HM.
They got a bunch of press for being a Christian Band, and when asked about it in an interview they said something to the effect of, "we're Christians, but we're not a 'Christian Band.' I don't know what the **** we're doing on Christian charts." After those comments, the Christian publications and stores subsequently yanked their stuff.
Their very comments in the EW interview shows they were annoyed that they were even being played on Christian radio or their album being sold in Christian book stores, even though Ctyner's link says they agreed to it ahead of time.
Unless there's more to the story than that, there's nothing "odd" about it. If anything, it's the Christian publications who acted stragely, going out of their way to try and blacklist the band after those comments.
das
das
I find it odd because they seemed to alienate themselves from a certain group for no apparent reason.... even when they call themselves Christians (as individuals).
11-12-03 | 03:45 PM
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I guess that just doesn't seem odd to me. There's a huge difference between being a Christian as an individual and being a Christian as a career. Not wanting to confuse the two makes perfect sense to me. If they feel their art was being used to promote a religion, even their own religion, I can see being annoyed by that. Or maybe they just didn't want to be pigeon-holed into something that wasn't accurate. I can perfectly understand wanting to keep a balance between who you are as an individual and how you express yourself through music and getting pissed off when people attach narrow labels to your work when it's not what you're about.
I wouldn't demand to be removed from Christian stores or anything (and I haven't seen evidence that that's what happened anyway), but I would be pretty annoyed if people kept asking me about my "Christian" songs if they weren't.
das
I wouldn't demand to be removed from Christian stores or anything (and I haven't seen evidence that that's what happened anyway), but I would be pretty annoyed if people kept asking me about my "Christian" songs if they weren't.
das
11-12-03 | 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by das Monkey
I guess that just doesn't seem odd to me. There's a huge difference between being a Christian as an individual and being a Christian as a career. Not wanting to confuse the two makes perfect sense to me. If they feel their art was being used to promote a religion, even their own religion, I can see being annoyed by that. Or maybe they just didn't want to be pigeon-holed into something that wasn't accurate. I can perfectly understand wanting to keep a balance between who you are as an individual and how you express yourself through music and getting pissed off when people attach narrow labels to your work when it's not what you're about.
I guess that just doesn't seem odd to me. There's a huge difference between being a Christian as an individual and being a Christian as a career. Not wanting to confuse the two makes perfect sense to me. If they feel their art was being used to promote a religion, even their own religion, I can see being annoyed by that. Or maybe they just didn't want to be pigeon-holed into something that wasn't accurate. I can perfectly understand wanting to keep a balance between who you are as an individual and how you express yourself through music and getting pissed off when people attach narrow labels to your work when it's not what you're about.
Actually, I agree. There are actually some bands who call themselves Christian who prefer not to have their stuff sold in Christian bookstores or played on Christian radio... And I understand their reasoning (They think Christians shouldn't live in some Christian bubble, but she be out in the world -- and they believe their own music should be in the mainstream, not in some subculture).
I think the thing that struck me most was how they seemed upset by it -- (Read the EW interview). They seemed pissed and surprised by it all. And, it also seemed strange that they seemed so hostile toward the whole "subculture" -- denying interviews to Christian publications after the incident, etc.
I wouldn't demand to be removed from Christian stores or anything (and I haven't seen evidence that that's what happened anyway), but I would be pretty annoyed if people kept asking me about my "Christian" songs if they weren't.
I agree... But there are other ways to go about it. Thrice is 75% Christian (people who play in the band), and originally (1st album) wrote a lot of songs dealing with spirituality/Christianity -- but simply kept a FAQ on their website explaining that they were not a Christian band and why they didn't consider themselves Christian (as a band).
11-12-03 | 11:27 PM
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Amy Lee can sing her ass off but she needs a better band to back her, they completely suck live.
Moody's guitar is paper thin and too processed.
Take Shadows Fall kick their crappy vocalist out then put Amy in that band, they would completely kick ass.
Moody's guitar is paper thin and too processed.
Take Shadows Fall kick their crappy vocalist out then put Amy in that band, they would completely kick ass.
So true!
11-13-03 | 11:13 AM
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I hate to agree with the suits on pretty much anything, but I much prefer the "demo" version of My Immortal to their "preferred version" of the song that is used in the video.
11-13-03 | 01:14 PM
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Lacuna Coil is a REAL group. Very hot chick with good lyrics and musicianship.
I also reccomend After Forever. The chick here is also very hot but sings more "operatic" but its different and very good. The music is heavier and more metal.
Within Temptation falls into the above category but theyre more melodic. The girl is a very good singer.
Lastly, The Sins of Thy Beloved mixes female vocals with male death metal vocals. Very epic and heavy. One of my favorites.
And if you want a chick vocalists thatll but some hair on your balls than go hear Arch Enemy
Back to about Evenscence. I hate this group. Theyre total pop and the chick doesnt sing very good. Its all basically in the same key and doesnt show variation. They sound like Linkin Park with a girl singing the soft parts. Oh, and the chick is ugly as well. And kind of cocky. I really dislike her.
I also reccomend After Forever. The chick here is also very hot but sings more "operatic" but its different and very good. The music is heavier and more metal.
Within Temptation falls into the above category but theyre more melodic. The girl is a very good singer.
Lastly, The Sins of Thy Beloved mixes female vocals with male death metal vocals. Very epic and heavy. One of my favorites.
And if you want a chick vocalists thatll but some hair on your balls than go hear Arch Enemy
Back to about Evenscence. I hate this group. Theyre total pop and the chick doesnt sing very good. Its all basically in the same key and doesnt show variation. They sound like Linkin Park with a girl singing the soft parts. Oh, and the chick is ugly as well. And kind of cocky. I really dislike her.
11-17-03 | 09:48 AM
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I think Amy sounds better when she's not trying to sing her ass off, like in live concerts. She sounds much better doing acoustic sets or like in My Immortal.
11-17-03 | 11:28 AM
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Hot? If you say so...
http://www.hotjokes4free.com/Amy%20L...mages/amy4.jpg
http://www.hotjokes4free.com/Amy%20L...ages/amy11.jpg
Gross.
http://www.hotjokes4free.com/Amy%20L...mages/amy4.jpg
http://www.hotjokes4free.com/Amy%20L...ages/amy11.jpg
Gross.
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11-24-03 | 08:25 AM
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This is HILARIOUS. The dude who walked out and the singer basically ARE the band. it would be like if Ike walked out on Tina and she still toured as "Ike & Tina Turner". Hahaha.
Has anyone ever noticed that in photographs of the "band", the other dudes are always completely out of focus and in the background? They are nothing more than hired hands, session musicians who get to play live gigs.
My friends have a similar (though not musically) kind of thing. They call themselves "Daddy". My buddy Matt writes ALL of the music and plays guitar. His girlfriend Laurel writes all the lyrics and sings. They've gone through so many bassists and drummers... but if either of them ever quit, that would be the end of it for "Daddy".
The only reason this isn't the end of Evanuisance is that the label (and the singer) has a HUGE vested interest in the "Evanescence" brand name. They'll get richer if Evanescence (the brand name) "stays together" with a new guitarist.
Very curious to hear what the next album will sound like (if there ever is one).
Has anyone ever noticed that in photographs of the "band", the other dudes are always completely out of focus and in the background? They are nothing more than hired hands, session musicians who get to play live gigs.
My friends have a similar (though not musically) kind of thing. They call themselves "Daddy". My buddy Matt writes ALL of the music and plays guitar. His girlfriend Laurel writes all the lyrics and sings. They've gone through so many bassists and drummers... but if either of them ever quit, that would be the end of it for "Daddy".
The only reason this isn't the end of Evanuisance is that the label (and the singer) has a HUGE vested interest in the "Evanescence" brand name. They'll get richer if Evanescence (the brand name) "stays together" with a new guitarist.
Very curious to hear what the next album will sound like (if there ever is one).
11-26-03 | 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Ravenous
Lacuna Coil is a REAL group. Very hot chick with good lyrics and musicianship.
I also reccomend After Forever. The chick here is also very hot but sings more "operatic" but its different and very good. The music is heavier and more metal.
Within Temptation falls into the above category but theyre more melodic. The girl is a very good singer.
Lastly, The Sins of Thy Beloved mixes female vocals with male death metal vocals. Very epic and heavy. One of my favorites.
And if you want a chick vocalists thatll but some hair on your balls than go hear Arch Enemy
Back to about Evenscence. I hate this group. Theyre total pop and the chick doesnt sing very good. Its all basically in the same key and doesnt show variation. They sound like Linkin Park with a girl singing the soft parts. Oh, and the chick is ugly as well. And kind of cocky. I really dislike her.
Lacuna Coil is a REAL group. Very hot chick with good lyrics and musicianship.
I also reccomend After Forever. The chick here is also very hot but sings more "operatic" but its different and very good. The music is heavier and more metal.
Within Temptation falls into the above category but theyre more melodic. The girl is a very good singer.
Lastly, The Sins of Thy Beloved mixes female vocals with male death metal vocals. Very epic and heavy. One of my favorites.
And if you want a chick vocalists thatll but some hair on your balls than go hear Arch Enemy
Back to about Evenscence. I hate this group. Theyre total pop and the chick doesnt sing very good. Its all basically in the same key and doesnt show variation. They sound like Linkin Park with a girl singing the soft parts. Oh, and the chick is ugly as well. And kind of cocky. I really dislike her.