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Old 09-01-25 | 03:50 PM
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?

I saw some great acts when they were at their best. Pink Floyd (three times), Queen, Foreigner, REO Speedwagon, REM, Bad Company, Journey, Styx, The Babys, Genesis, Neil Young, The Moody Blues, James Taylor, Tangerine Dream, Van Halen, Bob Segar, etc.. Most were under $10. I feel very lucky. I have friends who have bands that I love, and if they are in town, I get guest tickets from them. So Ticketmaster, Pluck Yew, Gougers!
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Old 09-20-25 | 07:38 AM
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Not sure if the story is behind a paywall, but Washington Post reports that the FTC is suing Ticketmaster and Live Nation over selling to scalpers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...entertainment/
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Not sure if the story is behind a paywall, but Washington Post reports that the FTC is suing Ticketmaster and Live Nation over selling to scalpers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...entertainment/
Here's the press release from the FTC.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news...ists-consumers.

I foresee Michael Rapino bringing a solid gold guitar to the White House and having this magically disappearing any day now.

Old 09-21-25 | 07:22 PM
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More of a PSA. I was using the Live Nation app last week. It has this glitchy timeline feature. Anyway I saw it has this new free All Access membership program. They had a promos around this time last year that were giving discounts on future bookings for Live Nation shows. Looks like they made it permanent. Most of the venues around me are either owned or operated by Live Nation so it's free money for me. The strange thing is that it sent me a $25 discount (good for thirty days) for a concert that I booked a year ago and attended Sept 1. Might be worth a try for people that use Live Nation venues. It made OK Go tickets half price for me.
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Old 11-17-25 | 05:14 PM
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Selling above face value will be banned in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...ment-crackdown

Reselling tickets for profit to be outlawed in UK government crackdown

Touts, and ordinary consumers, will no longer be able to charge anything more than price at which they bought ticket
Old 11-17-25 | 05:18 PM
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Well that's not great either. Good luck ever getting tickets for a popular event in the UK now. And don't EVER forget to log in and buy tickets to popular shows the second they go on sale.
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Well that's not great either. Good luck ever getting tickets for a popular event in the UK now. And don't EVER forget to log in and buy tickets to popular shows the second they go on sale.
I mean presumably the scalpers won't be taking the tickets and these would be going to fans who actually want to see the show, so I don't see a problem with it. What am I missing?
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Old 11-17-25 | 06:41 PM
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Yeah you can still resell tickets just not for profit. A huge amount of tickets bought for popular events were to resell by both professional and casual scalpers. Since it's illegal to do that easily on third party sites it will be like the old days. The scalpers aren't limited by geography. A lot are from different countries. They aren't going to have a reliable marketplace to sell. I'd guess you could have a market put up on Facebook but that's already filled with scammers. Radiohead went to massive lengths to make sure tickets get into the hands of fans and list price. Most artists aren't going to do that and won't need to now.
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Okay, I guess we'll see how it turns out.

I never really had an issue with a secondary market as much as I did that those in the secondary markets had unfair priority access to the tickets in the first place.
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So signup for an Artist pre-sale today. Ticketmaster doesn't do the verified fan pre-sale any more. That was their lottery process. Now it's just Artist pre-sale where you sign up for up to three shows and everyone gets access at the same time. It's been like this for awhile. What's new is they required a live photo. I clicked the email from the computer, sign in to TM and pick two dates. Then I get a a message with a QR code to use on a mobile device to finish the signup. The hell?
Old 03-09-26 | 10:27 AM
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from the NYT today

March 9, 2026
Updated 10:42 a.m. ET
The Justice Department has reached a tentative settlement of its antitrust litigation against Live Nation, the concert giant that includes Ticketmaster, after a week of testimony in a high-profile trial that examined competition in the music industry.

Under the terms, which were confirmed by two people familiar with the agreement, Live Nation would agree to change how it makes ticketing deals with venues, allowing those businesses to use multiple vendors to sell tickets to fans, rather than work with Ticketmaster exclusively. In addition, the company would allow touring artists to use other promoters when performing in its amphitheaters.

Live Nation would also pay financial damages to the states that join the settlement, according to one of the people familiar with the agreement, who was not authorized to disclose the details publicly. Dozens of state attorneys general joined the Justice Department’s lawsuit that had been underway at Federal District Court in Manhattan.

The existence of the settlement was discussed in open court on Monday morning, and the judge overseeing the case who must approve the agreement, Arun Subramanian, appeared angry about how it was reported.

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Outside the presence of the jury, lawyers told the judge that Live Nation and the Justice Department had signed a deal on Thursday. Judge Subramanian noted that at a meeting in his chambers on Friday morning, neither side told him it had executed an agreement.

“It shows absolute disrespect for the court, the jury and this entire process,” Judge Subramanian said in court on Monday. “It is absolutely unacceptable.”

In addition, lawyers representing some of the 39 states, along with the District of Columbia, who were involved in the litigation complained about the settlement and said they would seek a mistrial.

New York’s attorney general, Letitia James, said in a statement that New York would continue the case.

“We will keep fighting this case without the federal government,” Ms. James said, “so that we can secure justice for all those harmed by Live Nation’s monopoly.”

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The news of a possible settlement came after a week of testimony in which witnesses from three venues across the country said that Live Nation employees — among them its longtime chief executive, Michael Rapino — had threatened to retaliate against the venues if they did not use Ticketmaster as their exclusive ticketing vendor.

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Judge Subramanian said that he expected Mr. Rapino and Omeed A. Assefi, the acting head of the Justice Department’s antitrust division, to be in court on Tuesday to discuss their settlement agreement.

The settlement, if it goes forward, would allow Live Nation to put the case behind it with an outcome that is far less severe than the breakup that the government had requested when it filed suit in May 2024. That divestment, if decided by the judge in the case, would have effectively undone Live Nation’s 2010 merger with Ticketmaster in a deal that smaller companies have long since complained about, saying it created a monopoly with no equal in the music industry.

Live Nation’s agreement with the Justice Department comes in a case that had bipartisan political support in Washington. At a Senate Judiciary hearing in 2023, weeks after a botched sale by Ticketmaster for tickets to Taylor Swift’s Eras Tour, senators from both parties scolded a Live Nation executive and called the company a monopoly.

To those who had sought a breakup of Ticketmaster and Live Nation, however, the settlement deal underscored how President Trump has tempered the aggressive antitrust enforcement of the Biden administration. Federal regulators have allowed big corporate mergers to go forward and settled cases brought by their predecessors. In one of those settlements, the Justice Department ended a case against a software company accused of facilitating collusion between landlords to raise rents after the company agreed to limit the nonpublic data used by its software.

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In its suit, the Justice Department had accused Live Nation of operating an illegal monopoly that reaches into nearly every aspect of the multibillion-dollar concert business. The company, the government said, stifles competition, pressures artists and venues into using its services and drives up ticket prices for millions of fans.

Live Nation has consistently denied those accusations, saying that it faces a robust competitive market for its services, including ticketing, and that it does not threaten venues or artists.

Live Nation is by far the biggest power in the live entertainment business, with a global reach and a sprawling business model whose breadth is unmatched by any rival. Last year, Live Nation put on 55,000 events and sold 646 million tickets, and the company owns or controls 460 venues and manages more than 300 artists, according to its annual report. In 2025, Live Nation had $25 billion in revenue — more than Spotify or the Universal Music Group, two other companies with a significant influence on the music industry.

Live Nation’s power, the government alleged, has left the wider business of live entertainment “suffocating under monopoly.” Among the accusations detailed in the Justice Department’s complaint are that Live Nation has pressured artists to work with their concert promotion division and threatened venues to strike exclusive deals to use Ticketmaster or face the risk of losing Live Nation-controlled tours by top artists.

The first witness at the trial, John Abbamondi, the former chief executive of the parent company of the Brooklyn arena Barclays Center, testified that Mr. Rapino threatened him with diverting concerts away from the arena after it chose a rival ticketer, SeatGeek.

On a recording of a phone call played in court, Mr. Rapino could be heard telling Mr. Abbamondi that it would “be a tough time to deliver tickets or concerts, with a new competitor in town, regardless of ticketing.”

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Mr. Abbamondi testified that he interpreted that statement as a threat, and that Live Nation followed through with it, diverting shows away from Barclays; Live Nation has denied it was a threat and said Barclays lost shows because a new arena, UBS, had opened on Long Island, posing new competition.

According to the government, Ticketmaster is the exclusive ticketing vendor for about 80 percent of “major concert venues” in the United States, a category that the government defines as including arenas and large amphitheaters, though not stadiums. That control, the government says, has hindered technological innovation.

Live Nation has argued that the government misunderstands the complexities of the business, asserting that artists — not promoters like Live Nation — are ultimately responsible for setting ticket prices and that venues, not Ticketmaster, receive most of the revenues from the fees added to ticket prices. (For many shows, Live Nation may operate the venue or serve as the artist’s personal manager.)

For years, Live Nation has been scrutinized for violations of a legal agreement it signed with the Justice Department in 2010 as a condition to approve its merger with Ticketmaster. That agreement, called a consent decree, barred Live Nation from threatening to withhold concerts from venues that do not sign deals with Ticketmaster. In 2019, the government found that Live Nation had repeatedly violated that decree, and amended the agreement.

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Old 03-10-26 | 01:02 PM
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The Trump Administration totally let them off the hook. No changes coming.
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Old 03-10-26 | 01:33 PM
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So I’m not getting a refund check?

The biggest take away is that first sale tickets to an event might be available on multiple ticketing sites. That’s not going to bring down the cost. The UK has that system. Many events have multiple venders (TM, Gigs and Tours and Seetickets). The fees are pretty much the same. Now for the US we might be able to use SeatGeek or AXS or StunHub in addition to TM if TM is the primary market. Not a big deal to the consumer.
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I have no idea if this would have had a different outcome under a different administration, but I do know that there's no way the current administration will do anything to enforce antitrust laws or anything even close to that.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?

Okay. Everyone should read this exchange :

Now tell me again that I'm overreacting to exorbitant Ticketing fees.
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An articled with some more information. I didn't know Ticketmaster had sales people.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ng-them-blind/

Baker complained that a Dead & Company cancellation prevented him from taking second place in a sales competition. “Gimme a plaque dammit,” he wrote. In a discussion about ticket prices and promotions, Baker wrote, “I gouge them on ancil prices to make up for it.”
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?

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Okay. Everyone should read this exchange
He's right about people being stupid though.
People bitch about the price, but still buy the tickets.

He'll prove himself right again when this exchange gets more traction and people will STILL buy tickets.

More power to them. Just giving people what they want at a price they're willing to pay.
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He's right about people being stupid though.
People bitch about the price, but still buy the tickets.

He'll prove himself right again when this exchange gets more traction and people will STILL buy tickets.

More power to them. Just giving people what they want at a price they're willing to pay.
This is, quite literally, the reason that anti-monopoly laws exist, and it's why the DoJ was suing them in the first place!
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This is, quite literally, the reason that anti-monopoly laws exist, and it's why the DoJ was suing them in the first place!
I get that, but regardless if there's anti-monopoly laws or not or what the DoJ does - the consumer has the most power by choosing how to spend their money.
This isn't the housing, food, medicine or any other necessity. It's concert tickets - not that important.

Broken record time: Unhappy with the price - stop buying the fucking tickets. Take matters into your own hands. Stop being sheep.
(insert bike fall meme here blaming ticketmaster when you put the stick in your own spokes)
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I get that, but regardless if there's anti-monopoly laws or not or what the DoJ does - the consumer has the most power by choosing how to spend their money.
This isn't the housing, food, medicine or any other necessity. It's concert tickets - not that important.

Broken record time: Unhappy with the price - stop buying the fucking tickets. Take matters into your own hands. Stop being sheep.
(insert bike fall meme here blaming ticketmaster when you put the stick in your own spokes)
I 100% agree with this. Music is very important to me and my life but going to concerts and seeing your favorite performer isn't a need, say like universal healthcare, affordable food, or livable wages.

I never have understood why people kept paying this ridiculous fees and prices and going into debt to see one freaking concert.

If people had balked way back in the 90's when this shit started, we wouldn't have this problem now. But people will throw thousands of dollars on a credit card to see one performance that they can't afford. Stop it!

The market will bear what the market will bear when it comes to nonessential stuff like this.

I only buy the tickets where I feel the prices are fair, along with the fees. If I feel the fees or the overall ticket price is too much or unfair, I just don't go. Plain & simple.

I don't like monopolies either, but this is a dispensable luxury.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?

Thought this was an interesting watch. They trace the rise of ticket prices and fees and how live music arrived to where we are today and not really pointing fingers but just stating facts.

Beatles tickets were $58 bucks adjusted for inflation according to the video. Woah.



The video mentions the lawsuit that the DOJ basically dismissed, but remember this video is a few months old.
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I don't have a half hour right now to watch that, but I keep coming back to : Don't blame the artists. If the tickets were cheaper face value, it would just be a larger profit margin to make scalpers richer. I would rather give my hard earned money to the performers whose other revenue streams have largely dried up than to some basement dweller with an army of bots who makes a killing on the secondary market.
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Watch the video. It's a good summation of the ticketing landscape but there's not much new information. I think we've covered everything that it does.
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Ontario is proposing banning ticket resales for higher than face value. I wouldn't mind that, at all. To be clear, I don't disagree with those stating that the if you don't like the price, don't buy the tickets. However, the secondary market is a different story. When companies, including Ticketmaster's own resale company, Live Nation, immediately get a large portion of the original sale tickets for substantial resale profit, that is a big problem.

The annoying part is that the previous Liberal government was doing something similar, and the current Conservative party scrapped it.

One can only speculate that it's, in part, an attempt to distract from them also trying to exclude the premiere and his cabinet from being required to respond to Freedom Of Information requests. Anything that could be seen as possibly good, from this premiere's government coincides with either an election (buying votes), or a distraction from something worse.
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Re: Ticketmaster--where's the outrage?

Flip side to that law proposal : I paid thousands to buy the 'seat license' for my Raiders tickets. Should I be banned from selling my tickets for the most popular games for a profit to eventually make my investment back?
I think that's very different than some guy flooding Ticketmaster with both accounts.


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