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90's Punk better then today's Junk.
http://theonion.com/onion3919/90s_punk.html
90's PUNK Decrise punk of today http://graphics.theonion.com/pics_3919/90s_punk.jpg BERKELEY, CA—Nineties punk Drew Tolbert, 29, expressed scorn Monday for the punks of today, denouncing them as "phony poseurs unworthy of the word 'punk.'" "These kids today have no idea what real punk is," said Tolbert, who called himself "Steve Spew" from 1992 until May 1999, when he was forced to revert to his real name to take a job at Roberto's Custom Auto Upholstery. "Those so-called punk bands they listen to today? Sum 41? Good Charlotte? The Ataris? They're not punk. Back in the day, man, we used to listen to the real deal: Rancid, The Offspring, NOFX, Green Day. Those guys were what true punk rock was all about. Today's stuff is just a pale, watered-down imitation. There's no comparison." Recalling the glory days of the '90s, Tolbert waxed nostalgic for a few moments before condemning today's punks. "They can talk all they want about how much punk means to them, but the simple fact is, they weren't there," Tolbert said. "These kids today have no sense of history. They don't know about Pennywise. They barely know about Epitaph Records. Most of them don't even know about Green Day's legendary appearance in '94 at the L.A. Coliseum. It was a watershed, one-of-a-kind moment in the history of youth rebellion, and if you didn't live through it, as I did, you'll never get it, no matter how punk you pretend to be." Tolbert's disdain for the current punks encompasses not only their musical tastes, but also their style of dress. "Punk is more than just a Mohawk hairstyle," Tolbert said. "For us back in the '90s, punk was a way of life. I see these kids today hanging around Gilman Street in their leather jackets with their wallet chains, and I just want to say to them, 'You think punk is a costume, man?' Back in'93, it was about so much more: It was a rebellion against outmoded belief systems. It was a cry of outrage against the repressive authority of the Clinton Administration." "I saw some kid wearing a Sex Pistols T-shirt the other day—he couldn't have been more than 9 when the Pistols did their Filthy Lucre reunion tour," Tolbert said. "I was like, 'You can listen to the music, you can wear the T-shirt, but I was there.' I had fifth-row seats at that goddamn stadium, man, right up front, close enough to see Johnny Rotten's wrinkles. Did you see an original member of The Clash play during Big Audio Dynamite II's last tour? Did you see two of the four original Ramones play at the KROQ Weenie Roast in '95? You did not, but I did. I swear to God, they're like a joke, these people." Tolbert, who dropped out of Berkeley Community College in 1993 to spend a year skateboarding and living off his parents, was once a major fixture of Berkeley's punk-revival scene, although he still rejects that label. "'Punk revival'... what ********," Tolbert said. "Anybody who says punk was 'back' in the '90s doesn't know what they're talking about, because punk never went away. Sure, you didn't hear about it as much in the mainstream corporate media, but punk was always around for the true believers like me and my friends." According to friends, the young Tolbert was a shy but well-respected member of his high school's yearbook staff before adopting a punk-rock stance upon his enrollment at the community college. He later formed a band, Absence Of Dissent, but the band broke up before completing any recordings or playing any gigs. "We could've been huge," Tolbert said. "Bigger than New Bomb Turks, even. But all the greatest punk bands fell apart before their time. That's what happened to Darby Crash of the Germs, and that's what happened to us, except we didn't die of drug overdoses, and we came along about 15 years later. But the pretty-boy pretend punks of 2003 could never understand that." "The thing I can't stand is when they get all self-righteous and act like I'm the one who doesn't 'get it,'" Tolbert continued. "That attitude is totally contrary to the whole inclusive spirit of what punk is all about." Added Tolbert: "Don't try to be something you're not, man. That's what I say." |
Onion rocks (old-school Onion that is!)
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Funny.
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Man I couldn't have said it better. I've never been a huge fan of punk, (Although I do like The Ramones and some of the earlier Green Day stuff.) But what people call punk today isn't punk at all in my opinion. I can't believe some people call Good Charlotte punk, when I hear their music and look at their videos I see a band trying too hard to portray an image that is not believable, and is at best laughable.
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"I saw some kid wearing a Sex Pistols T-shirt the other day—he couldn't have been more than 9 when the Pistols did their Filthy Lucre reunion tour...I had fifth-row seats at that goddamn stadium, man, right up front, close enough to see Johnny Rotten's wrinkles."
70's Punk. The real deal. And this is how it relates in the 00's! God Save The Queen, indeed.... |
Pretty funny stuff from the Onion. :)
Don't forget '80s punk though - that's when the underground went into high gear. One can easily write off the "latter day punks", but when you look at bands like The Dead Kennedys, The Circle Jerks, MDC, D.R.I., The Exploited (very, very bad :lol: ), and so many more, one simply can't fall back on "the only real punk is '70s punk". Although, having said that, I personally prefer the punk of the '70s. Give me the Pistols, the Ramones, and the Clash over the '80s underground anyday. Sure, the Ramones were successful into the '80s, and so were the Clash, but they're really from the first wave. God save the Queen, Punk's not dead... and all that rot. :up: |
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I hadn't read anything funny from the Onion in a while, but that's priceless. :up: das |
Pretty good piece from the Onion. I like teenager life philosophy.
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This is a good year. Rollins is touring with Keith Morris (circle jerks and original Black Flag frontman) doing Black Flag songs. Then a month later the Circle Jerks are touring. Oh yeah, X is on tour too.
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X can tour for the next fifty years and I would not care. They are one of the best bands ever. People may think of Rollins when they think of Black Flag, but Greg Ginn was the heart of the band.
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Originally posted by ...except This is a good year. Rollins is touring with Keith Morris (circle jerks and original Black Flag frontman) doing Black Flag songs. Then a month later the Circle Jerks are touring. Oh yeah, X is on tour too. These days Rollins is nothing more than a shameless sell out. Can't stand the guy anymore. Seen X about a dozen times, including once on this latest tour. They're a shadow of their former selves but still worth seeing. |
Greg Ginn is doing a Black Flag reunion to raise money to save stray kittens. Or so I've heard.
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Thanks for the article. I was a Sex Pistols fan, etc. when the bands were still current. Back in the day indeed.
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I've always called the wave of 90s "punk" -- Green Day, Offspring, whatever -- Nintendo Punk.
But mallcore works, too. |
I thought the "punk" movement of the mid-90's was kind of "off", but today it's Onion-ized bigtime. That article is so close to the truth. I immersed myself in early/mid-80's punk, so I can't say that I was THERE when it all started. But it was a hell of a lot more fresh back then. I remember being fascinated by people walking around in mohawks in the early 80's. I'm not sure when that became passe (probably already was in '82), but today I often wonder what a kid is thinking who dresses like that. I don't have any problems with it, but I'm curious about it.
I had the chance to see Black Flag in '83 and the truth is I was afraid to see Rollins in a small club!! That's hilarious when I think about it today. I'm being serious. There were a few bands I just didn't want to be involved with in a tiny place. I got smashed around enough seeing the Replacements in a small place... I knew something nastier would probably be crazy as all get out. There was a time when Rollins was just menacing (long hair and all). My how things have changed. |
If you ask me "todays" punk is no more or no less punk than "90s" punk...
Although I will say "70s" punk is more the real deal than either of the above.... but whatever..I consider bands like new found glory, good charlotte, ataris etc...upbeat, fun,rock...kinda like the,dare i say, party bands of today... |
when i first read that i thought it was like a real article
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Avril Lavigne: NO!!! I'm a punk rocker! I'm wearing a boy's tanktop! Look at my mad face! Bleaaah!! F it up! Suck it! Look! Watch! [ holds her hand up menacingly ] That's the English middle finger! Wrap your minds around that! I don't know who David.. Bow-ie is.. or the Sex.. Pie-stols.. I'm, like, 17, and they're, like, 100! So.. [ makes mad face ] ..bleaaahh!!
Tina Fey: Avril, do you have anything relevant to say..? Avril Lavigne: I'm MAAAAD!! I have a paperclip! And put it in my ear!! I don't give a F! 'Cause I'm pissed!! And I'm a punk! |
Originally posted by outcastja Avril Lavigne: NO!!! I'm a punk rocker! I'm wearing a boy's tanktop! Look at my mad face! Bleaaah!! F it up! Suck it! Look! Watch! [ holds her hand up menacingly ] That's the English middle finger! Wrap your minds around that! I don't know who David.. Bow-ie is.. or the Sex.. Pie-stols.. I'm, like, 17, and they're, like, 100! So.. [ makes mad face ] ..bleaaahh!! Tina Fey: Avril, do you have anything relevant to say..? Avril Lavigne: I'm MAAAAD!! I have a paperclip! And put it in my ear!! I don't give a F! 'Cause I'm pissed!! And I'm a punk! Do I like her music, yes. Her album is a nice lil collection of pop rock tunes.. Do I think she is basically a music industry fabrication...OH YEAH.. |
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth KevinSmithIsGod •<HR SIZE=1>Umm...yeah..she's not like that at all..but whatever..<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Umm ... that's exactly what she's like. That's a transcript of a live interview. I saw it myself. das |
And where did you see this interview?? I kinda find that hard to believe, sorry.
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<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth KevinSmithIsGod •<HR SIZE=1>And where did you see this interview?? I kinda find that hard to believe, sorry. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
It was on NBC. Its existence is not affected by your ability to believe in it. Do you think he just made all that up? das |
what the? that is from a snl skit with tiny fey and some snl girl. are you saying that snl was recreating an actual interview that happened beforehand? because i highly doubt it. it was a hilarious skit btw.
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Tina Fey is more punk than Avril will ever be. :drool:
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Originally posted by Rubix what the? that is from a snl skit with tiny fey and some snl girl. are you saying that snl was recreating an actual interview that happened beforehand? because i highly doubt it. it was a hilarious skit btw. You guys dont actually think that skits on SNL are real, do you? God I hope not... |
Originally posted by das Monkey <BLOCKQUOTE> ? Quoth KevinSmithIsGod ?<HR SIZE=1>And where did you see this interview?? I kinda find that hard to believe, sorry. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE> It was on NBC. Its existence is not affected by your ability to believe in it. Do you think he just made all that up? das |
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth KevinSmithIsGod •<HR SIZE=1>Thats what I figured..that it wasnt REAL....<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didn't say it was real. I said it was live and on NBC. Both of these things were quite true. :) My apologies for misleading you, but it clearly listed Tina Fey as the "interviewer" in the original post. I meant no harm ... just having some fun. das |
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Surf Monkey •<HR SIZE=1>Pretty snotty reply to an honest question.<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
... the last person to be lecturing others on snotty replies. How about we get the discussion back to how funny this article is ... das |
Thats one of the best onion articles ive read in awhile. I cant believe what the masses pass as "punk" anymore. Im not a big fan of punk rock, but all the new bands that are on MTV are horrible (IMO). Luckily, bands such as pg 99 are keeping the punk rock spirit alive, because the kids are killing it.
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Originally posted by das Monkey <BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth KevinSmithIsGod •<HR SIZE=1>Thats what I figured..that it wasnt REAL....<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I didn't say it was real. I said it was live and on NBC. Both of these things were quite true. :) My apologies for misleading you, but it clearly listed Tina Fey as the "interviewer" in the original post. I meant no harm ... just having some fun. das Ok..who is Tina Fey? |
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth KevinSmithIsGod •<HR SIZE=1>Ok..who is Tina Fey? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
She's the anchor of the "Weekend Update" sketch on <I>Saturday Night Live</I> and has been for a few years. She's also the head-writer for the show. Being the TV addict that I am, I just assumed you'd look at the post again after my comments and go, "oh ... silly me ... he's quoting an <I>SNL</I> sketch." It never occurred to me that you wouldn't know who Tina Fey is. das |
Originally posted by das Monkey <BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth KevinSmithIsGod •<HR SIZE=1>Ok..who is Tina Fey? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE> She's the anchor of the "Weekend Update" sketch on <I>Saturday Night Live</I> and has been for a few years. She's also the head-writer for the show. Being the TV addict that I am, I just assumed you'd look at the post again after my comments and go, "oh ... silly me ... he's quoting an <I>SNL</I> sketch." It never occurred to me that you wouldn't know who Tina Fey is. das With the exception of a show here and there for a musical guest.. |
So this idiot didn't get into punk until after high-school... what a douchebag. He's the one who doesn't know what punk is all about... if he didn't get into it until 92 or so, then he missed what it was all about too. That's about the year the golden age ended - His 'watershed' event of Green Day appearing at some stadium was actually the beginning of the end. Sure, I saw Green Day and Offspring play and I liked them, but that was when they were playing in front of 50-100 people in a warehouse in the business district and Offspring was opening for the G'rups. They could've interviewed someone with some brains... cuz he's right about todays punk being crap.
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Originally posted by Trigger So this idiot didn't get into punk until after high-school... what a douchebag. He's the one who doesn't know what punk is all about... if he didn't get into it until 92 or so, then he missed what it was all about too. That's about the year the golden age ended - His 'watershed' event of Green Day appearing at some stadium was actually the beginning of the end. Sure, I saw Green Day and Offspring play and I liked them, but that was when they were playing in front of 50-100 people in a warehouse in the business district and Offspring was opening for the G'rups. They could've interviewed someone with some brains... cuz he's right about todays punk being crap. Is the owned image applicable on this one? |
Originally posted by Buford T Pusser :whofart: Is the owned image applicable on this one? |
The Onion is a humor newspaper, with articles written like they are actual news items.
Their most notorious piece was a from a few years ago, about how the Harry Potter novels were turning children on to Satanism. It got passed around by various conservative Christian groups who thought it was true. http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/potter.htm |
Originally posted by KevinSmithIsGod Ok..who is Tina Fey? |
http://www.saturday-night-live.com/i...update/fey.gif http://snlibc.jt.org/tinafeysrollingstonepicture.gif |
Originally posted by Buford T Pusser That may or may not help since part of her known look is the glasses. http://www.saturday-night-live.com/i...update/fey.gif http://snlibc.jt.org/tinafeysrollingstonepicture.gif |
Her feet aren't really that big. It's the distortion from the wide-angle lens.
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